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If britain becomes a republic there will always be something interesting happening. Maybe even a cmmunist/fascist government later on!
If britain becomes a republic there will always be something interesting happening. Maybe even a cmmunist/fascist government later on!
I don't suppose you could upload this starting scenario? I've always wanted to play a non-world conquest'd Britain.
Thanks in advance!
Thanks in advance!
I'd like to participate too. Btw since those Luddites were important in the revolution, wouldn't it make some sense that factories around the country would either be destroyed during, or dismantled after the civil war ended to appease them?
I don't suppose you could upload this starting scenario? I've always wanted to play a non-world conquest'd Britain.
Thanks in advance!
I don't actually know how to do that.
oIf someone can post me a guide of how to load up a couple of files I would happily do so.
Whilst I edited one or two other files it is the provinces folder in the history folder and the puppet states files that are the only really important ones.
Well, just letting the Luddites smash up a few factories might not make a whole lot of sense.
However, war damage should probably mean that I should lose a good portion of my industry.Yet with the starting industry filled out I begin with 114,000 unemployed across the country. That's 45% of craftsmen.
I think I'll model war damage by destroying one factory in every province ....
144,000 unemployed. In the few days it took for the craftsmen to adjust and fill out the existing factories the craftsmen population fell by 5,000 as people converted out.
So do you guys think I should leave it as it is or delete a few factories?
Either way I'll have a huge amount of unemployment.
The British Election of 1836
The British election of 1836 was to be one of the most important elections in world history. Britain could emerge from it as anything from a radical Republic similar in nature to France several decades before to a Monarchy. With the bitterness of the Civil War still lingering the country needed an acceptable outcome.
The Conservative Party (Tories)
As the political party representing the side of the loyalists during the Civil War the Conservative Party was not merely the continuation of the centuries old Tory Party (although they made up the majority) but also featured many members of the old Whig right. Wellington’s electoral promises made in 1836, however, seemed to stay close to the Tory elements within the party – that said the more centrist supporters of Sir Robert Peel enjoyed significant influence with Peel already looking to be the likely successor to Wellington.
Party Leader: Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington
Made famous by his great Generaliship during the Napoleonic Wars in which he famously led the Coalition armies to victory in the Peninsular War and later the Waterloo Campaign. After the war he entered politics and briefly served as Prime Minister between 1828 and 1830. He led the loyalist armies during the Civil War and after forcing King William out he came to dominate the loyalist camp in both political and military affairs.
Enjoying a significant degree of popularity from his status as a war hero, even in areas which were under rebel control during the Civil War, Wellington remains one of the Conservative Party’s greatest assets. However, politically he lies further to the right of the Party than might have been idle and forced the Party to put up a rather traditionally Tory election manifesto. The rising influence of Robert Peel and his supporters remain a very significant issue for Wellington within the party.
Policies
Economic:
With unemployment in excess of 100,000 it is imperative that the government acts to support manufacturers forthwith. To ensure that existing factories do not close struggling industries shall be granted government subsidies whilst in London, Manchester, Liverpool and Glasgow (the areas of high unemployment) the government will provide further subsidies for manufacturers to expand their industries. As a further incentive for entrepreneurs tax cuts shall be provided to the most enterprising citizens – who are to pay no more than 10% in income tax. Due to the current struggles of our artisans we shall also ensure comparatively low taxes for this group whilst the rest of the citizen body will not be crippled by overly high taxation.
For the primary method of raising funds for government should be through tariffs. Imported goods are harming our economy by driving down prices, thus discouraging enterprise and destroying industry. It is important to protect our internal market.
Political:
It is important to rebuild our political system.
The franchise should remain in the hands of the propertied citizen body – but voting power shall be equal amongst all enfranchised persons. All property owning men over the age of 21 have the right to vote.
The House of Lords is to be restored – however the Commons is to become the primary governing institution. However, it is important that the Lords have the right to block overly radical legislation.
(Upper House appointed)
It is also important that the Monarchy is restored. However it is impossible for the old Monarch – King William – to be returned to power so it should therefore be the right of the British people to choose their own Monarch. If elected the Conservative Party shall immediately engage in a second election – this time a referendum to decide the Monarch from a short list of candidates.
The Commons must be elected at least once every 5 years, although a new election can be called at any time by the Monarch if they feel that a stable government cannot be formed.
Let us create a strong but fair political system.
Military:
The British armed forces are currently in a woeful state. Since the end of the Civil War the Army has been reformed and consists of just 18,000 infantry and 9,000 cavalry. We should attempt to triple the army in size by the end of our term.
Our once unstoppable Navy now consists of 62 Man-of-War, 33 Frigates and 10 Transport squadrons. Enough to defend the Home Isles but not to project power overseas. We should look to build an additional fleet on these new ‘steam ships’ – commerce raiders.
Military expenditure should also be increased to 55%.
Foreign Policy:
Our re-adoption of the Monarchy will not only increase internal stability but will improve our relations with the European powers. This shall allow us to begin the process of isolating France in Europe. We should seek alliances with Prussia, Spain and Belgium as we look to build up a continental bloc to isolate the French. The age of British isolation from the continent cannot continue.
We should also look the rebuild our colonial Empire – the first new territory must be Ireland. That ancient possession of Britain must be reclaimed as soon as possible before the Catholic inhabitants begin to transform the island into a slave of Rome and by extension Paris. We should also look into the possibility of seizing colonial possessions in the Far East in order to rebuild our presence in the region.
The Whigs
Being one of the two traditional parties the Whigs has a strong grounding amongst the aristocracy and a very strong level of support amongst the newly emerging capitalist class of industrialists. Their reformist stance also makes them the traditional moderate leftwing on the British political spectrum.
Party Leader: Charles Grey, Earl Grey
Grey was the most important figure in bringing an end to the Civil War as he was the man who brought both sides of the conflict to the table to negotiate peace. Before the war he was a strong proponent of reform and continues to support the idea of a more liberal British state. Before the Civil War he, amongst other things, tried to end slavery in the Empire, widen the vote and emancipate the Catholics. Some even believe that had he managed to become Prime Minister before the fall of London the entire Civil War might have been avoided. He even gives his name to a popular blend of tea – Earl Grey.
Policies
Economic:
A free and unrestricted market. The Government should look to interfere in the free market as little as is possible. If we assist industrialists in this way the economy shall invariably improve. We therefore propose tax cuts for the wealthy and no external tariffs. Let our industries succeed on the backs of the industrious spirit of our people.
Political:
The Whig Party supports the idea of a Parliamentary Republic. We have no Monarch and there is no need to restore one. The supremacy of an elected Parliament shall be the most important facet of the new Republic. We therefore have no need for the old feudal institutions of the Monarchy and the Lords.
(Upper House – ruling party only)
We should also ensure the upmost level of free speech
(Press reforms set to Free Press)
All anti-Catholic laws are to be abolished. The Catholics are British just as much as any Anglican or Presbyterian.
We believe that, at this time, the franchise should remain in the hands of property owning males over the age of 21.
With Parliament now exclusively consisting of the Commons our Parliament should be elected at least once every 5 years. If no government can be formed then a new election shall be called. A Prime Minister may call a new election at any time. Voters shall choose a party, not a person, therefore if a Prime Minister resigns or dies in office his replacement shall be chosen according to whichever individual can still command the confidence of the house (ie if the Whigs hold 300 seats and then their PM dies then the new leader of the Whig Party would become PM).
Military:
We should look to increase the size of our land army by 12,000 men.
We also support the creation of a new fleet of steamships.
Foreign Policy:
Britain should not embroil itself in continental affairs unless the balance of power is threatened. As of yet the French are still unable to dominate the continent – therefore there is no need to intervene.
The Whig Party believes that Britain should look to concentrate on establishing a new colonial and trading Empire overseas. We may still be able to establish ourselves once more in the markets of India and the Orient. Needless to say such a move would save us lives and bolster our economy much more than become involved in continental wars.
However, we are also willing to entertain the idea of one day reclaiming Ireland. If French influence is detected or the Protestant populations in Ulster and Eastern Ireland are threatened we should intervene to restore British control.
We should also look to restore contact with some of the Anglo-phonic countries around the world that were recently our colonies. There are still substantial populations in Canada and Australia that consider themselves subjects of Britain.
The Radical Party
The descendants of a mixture of the 18th century Radical movement, the most reformist elements of the Whigs and the Chartist movement the Radicals are a mixed bag. Whilst Party policy favours a small government large sections of the Party demand reform to the free market to protect the common man.
Party Leader: John Bright
The Radical Party was dominated by two men – John Bright and Richard Cobden. Both had been members of the Revolutionary council that governed London and led the rebels during the Civil War and both were passionately in favour of free trade, pacifism (ironic considering their recent activities in leading a war) and equality. However when the Party looked to elect a man to stand for the Premiership Bright gained three times as many votes as Cobden. Quite simply he carried to air of a statesman. By far the greatest orator amongst the Prime Ministerial candidates Bright was able to rally the working class supporters of his Party, negotiate with foreign statesmen and convince politicians of his views. Feared as an overly zealous reformer by many he was the darling of his Party and of the British left.
Policies
Economic:
A free and undisturbed free market is, on the whole, the best way to solve our economic problems and to provide work for the great many unemployed. However we must have capitalism with a human face.
All forms of Child Labour is to be hereby abolished. We must also have a progressive tax system. We also support the creation of a small subsidy for the impoverished to ensure that they do not starve.
(Unemployed subsidy set to low)
Freedom of trade must be ensured.
Political:
A Republic is to be established!
In this Republic the vote shall be granted to all men over the age of 21.
The Lords and Monarchy shall remain where they belong – the dustbin of history.
Parliament shall consist of a single House of 500 elected members. After each election a government is to be formed and the leader of this government is to be declared President. The President shall then function as both Head of Government and of State. He and only he can call an election prior to the standard 6 year term that is to be introduced.
All anti-Catholic laws are to be abolished.
Military:
Our military is currently large enough to protect us from foreign invasion. There is no justification for an increase in the size of this force.
Foreign Policy:
Let us forget the Monarchies of Europe and look across the Atlantic to the US for inspiration and for an ally. Let the world’s two great Republics stand together!
Whilst the Radical Party is willing to support the expansion of trading interests abroad it refuses to condone any move that shall bring Britain into a war. We must only go to arms if attacked by a foreign power.
The election is now open!
Every reader has one vote and may only vote once per election.
You may vote for:
Conservatives (you may also write Tories)
Whigs
Radicals
Please either bold your vote or place it in a separate post to make it easier for me to count them.
Polls shall close at 5PM on Wednesday.
Good Luck!
The British election of 1836 was to be one of the most important elections in world history. Britain could emerge from it as anything from a radical Republic similar in nature to France several decades before to a Monarchy. With the bitterness of the Civil War still lingering the country needed an acceptable outcome.
The Conservative Party (Tories)
As the political party representing the side of the loyalists during the Civil War the Conservative Party was not merely the continuation of the centuries old Tory Party (although they made up the majority) but also featured many members of the old Whig right. Wellington’s electoral promises made in 1836, however, seemed to stay close to the Tory elements within the party – that said the more centrist supporters of Sir Robert Peel enjoyed significant influence with Peel already looking to be the likely successor to Wellington.
Party Leader: Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington
Made famous by his great Generaliship during the Napoleonic Wars in which he famously led the Coalition armies to victory in the Peninsular War and later the Waterloo Campaign. After the war he entered politics and briefly served as Prime Minister between 1828 and 1830. He led the loyalist armies during the Civil War and after forcing King William out he came to dominate the loyalist camp in both political and military affairs.
Enjoying a significant degree of popularity from his status as a war hero, even in areas which were under rebel control during the Civil War, Wellington remains one of the Conservative Party’s greatest assets. However, politically he lies further to the right of the Party than might have been idle and forced the Party to put up a rather traditionally Tory election manifesto. The rising influence of Robert Peel and his supporters remain a very significant issue for Wellington within the party.
Policies
Economic:
With unemployment in excess of 100,000 it is imperative that the government acts to support manufacturers forthwith. To ensure that existing factories do not close struggling industries shall be granted government subsidies whilst in London, Manchester, Liverpool and Glasgow (the areas of high unemployment) the government will provide further subsidies for manufacturers to expand their industries. As a further incentive for entrepreneurs tax cuts shall be provided to the most enterprising citizens – who are to pay no more than 10% in income tax. Due to the current struggles of our artisans we shall also ensure comparatively low taxes for this group whilst the rest of the citizen body will not be crippled by overly high taxation.
For the primary method of raising funds for government should be through tariffs. Imported goods are harming our economy by driving down prices, thus discouraging enterprise and destroying industry. It is important to protect our internal market.
Political:
It is important to rebuild our political system.
The franchise should remain in the hands of the propertied citizen body – but voting power shall be equal amongst all enfranchised persons. All property owning men over the age of 21 have the right to vote.
The House of Lords is to be restored – however the Commons is to become the primary governing institution. However, it is important that the Lords have the right to block overly radical legislation.
(Upper House appointed)
It is also important that the Monarchy is restored. However it is impossible for the old Monarch – King William – to be returned to power so it should therefore be the right of the British people to choose their own Monarch. If elected the Conservative Party shall immediately engage in a second election – this time a referendum to decide the Monarch from a short list of candidates.
The Commons must be elected at least once every 5 years, although a new election can be called at any time by the Monarch if they feel that a stable government cannot be formed.
Let us create a strong but fair political system.
Military:
The British armed forces are currently in a woeful state. Since the end of the Civil War the Army has been reformed and consists of just 18,000 infantry and 9,000 cavalry. We should attempt to triple the army in size by the end of our term.
Our once unstoppable Navy now consists of 62 Man-of-War, 33 Frigates and 10 Transport squadrons. Enough to defend the Home Isles but not to project power overseas. We should look to build an additional fleet on these new ‘steam ships’ – commerce raiders.
Military expenditure should also be increased to 55%.
Foreign Policy:
Our re-adoption of the Monarchy will not only increase internal stability but will improve our relations with the European powers. This shall allow us to begin the process of isolating France in Europe. We should seek alliances with Prussia, Spain and Belgium as we look to build up a continental bloc to isolate the French. The age of British isolation from the continent cannot continue.
We should also look the rebuild our colonial Empire – the first new territory must be Ireland. That ancient possession of Britain must be reclaimed as soon as possible before the Catholic inhabitants begin to transform the island into a slave of Rome and by extension Paris. We should also look into the possibility of seizing colonial possessions in the Far East in order to rebuild our presence in the region.
The Whigs
Being one of the two traditional parties the Whigs has a strong grounding amongst the aristocracy and a very strong level of support amongst the newly emerging capitalist class of industrialists. Their reformist stance also makes them the traditional moderate leftwing on the British political spectrum.
Party Leader: Charles Grey, Earl Grey
Grey was the most important figure in bringing an end to the Civil War as he was the man who brought both sides of the conflict to the table to negotiate peace. Before the war he was a strong proponent of reform and continues to support the idea of a more liberal British state. Before the Civil War he, amongst other things, tried to end slavery in the Empire, widen the vote and emancipate the Catholics. Some even believe that had he managed to become Prime Minister before the fall of London the entire Civil War might have been avoided. He even gives his name to a popular blend of tea – Earl Grey.
Policies
Economic:
A free and unrestricted market. The Government should look to interfere in the free market as little as is possible. If we assist industrialists in this way the economy shall invariably improve. We therefore propose tax cuts for the wealthy and no external tariffs. Let our industries succeed on the backs of the industrious spirit of our people.
Political:
The Whig Party supports the idea of a Parliamentary Republic. We have no Monarch and there is no need to restore one. The supremacy of an elected Parliament shall be the most important facet of the new Republic. We therefore have no need for the old feudal institutions of the Monarchy and the Lords.
(Upper House – ruling party only)
We should also ensure the upmost level of free speech
(Press reforms set to Free Press)
All anti-Catholic laws are to be abolished. The Catholics are British just as much as any Anglican or Presbyterian.
We believe that, at this time, the franchise should remain in the hands of property owning males over the age of 21.
With Parliament now exclusively consisting of the Commons our Parliament should be elected at least once every 5 years. If no government can be formed then a new election shall be called. A Prime Minister may call a new election at any time. Voters shall choose a party, not a person, therefore if a Prime Minister resigns or dies in office his replacement shall be chosen according to whichever individual can still command the confidence of the house (ie if the Whigs hold 300 seats and then their PM dies then the new leader of the Whig Party would become PM).
Military:
We should look to increase the size of our land army by 12,000 men.
We also support the creation of a new fleet of steamships.
Foreign Policy:
Britain should not embroil itself in continental affairs unless the balance of power is threatened. As of yet the French are still unable to dominate the continent – therefore there is no need to intervene.
The Whig Party believes that Britain should look to concentrate on establishing a new colonial and trading Empire overseas. We may still be able to establish ourselves once more in the markets of India and the Orient. Needless to say such a move would save us lives and bolster our economy much more than become involved in continental wars.
However, we are also willing to entertain the idea of one day reclaiming Ireland. If French influence is detected or the Protestant populations in Ulster and Eastern Ireland are threatened we should intervene to restore British control.
We should also look to restore contact with some of the Anglo-phonic countries around the world that were recently our colonies. There are still substantial populations in Canada and Australia that consider themselves subjects of Britain.
The Radical Party
The descendants of a mixture of the 18th century Radical movement, the most reformist elements of the Whigs and the Chartist movement the Radicals are a mixed bag. Whilst Party policy favours a small government large sections of the Party demand reform to the free market to protect the common man.
Party Leader: John Bright
The Radical Party was dominated by two men – John Bright and Richard Cobden. Both had been members of the Revolutionary council that governed London and led the rebels during the Civil War and both were passionately in favour of free trade, pacifism (ironic considering their recent activities in leading a war) and equality. However when the Party looked to elect a man to stand for the Premiership Bright gained three times as many votes as Cobden. Quite simply he carried to air of a statesman. By far the greatest orator amongst the Prime Ministerial candidates Bright was able to rally the working class supporters of his Party, negotiate with foreign statesmen and convince politicians of his views. Feared as an overly zealous reformer by many he was the darling of his Party and of the British left.
Policies
Economic:
A free and undisturbed free market is, on the whole, the best way to solve our economic problems and to provide work for the great many unemployed. However we must have capitalism with a human face.
All forms of Child Labour is to be hereby abolished. We must also have a progressive tax system. We also support the creation of a small subsidy for the impoverished to ensure that they do not starve.
(Unemployed subsidy set to low)
Freedom of trade must be ensured.
Political:
A Republic is to be established!
In this Republic the vote shall be granted to all men over the age of 21.
The Lords and Monarchy shall remain where they belong – the dustbin of history.
Parliament shall consist of a single House of 500 elected members. After each election a government is to be formed and the leader of this government is to be declared President. The President shall then function as both Head of Government and of State. He and only he can call an election prior to the standard 6 year term that is to be introduced.
All anti-Catholic laws are to be abolished.
Military:
Our military is currently large enough to protect us from foreign invasion. There is no justification for an increase in the size of this force.
Foreign Policy:
Let us forget the Monarchies of Europe and look across the Atlantic to the US for inspiration and for an ally. Let the world’s two great Republics stand together!
Whilst the Radical Party is willing to support the expansion of trading interests abroad it refuses to condone any move that shall bring Britain into a war. We must only go to arms if attacked by a foreign power.
The election is now open!
Every reader has one vote and may only vote once per election.
You may vote for:
Conservatives (you may also write Tories)
Whigs
Radicals
Please either bold your vote or place it in a separate post to make it easier for me to count them.
Polls shall close at 5PM on Wednesday.
Good Luck!
Well, then. It would not be a terribly good idea to abandon the fruits of our long campaign for freedom, throwing away our newly-gained rights and reinstating the monarchy. Britain must be a republic, and that can't happen soon enough. The Tories strive only to return to the previous state of affairs, and we all saw what that brought.
This leaves the choice between the Whigs and the Radicals. Here, the main difference appears to lie in their respective stances on military matters. Where the Whigs seem to want to increase the size of the British Army, perhaps in order to reconquer former territory, the Radicals seek a more pacifist solution. While the ambition of the Whigs is admirable, the British Republic is a new and fragile nation. We cannot afford to make enemies, and any attempt at conquest would be stopped by other nations, who surely fear the return of a strong British Empire. Instead, we should focus on rebuilding our country. Here, the Radicals emerge supreme once more - While the Whigs wish for the rich to go untaxed, the Radicals have realized that one cannot expect them to treat the workers humanely.
Instead, the government, while in general not interfering with the market, must ensure - perhaps through taxation - that all citizens are treated fairly. Only then can Britain reach its true potential.
Vote: Radicals
This leaves the choice between the Whigs and the Radicals. Here, the main difference appears to lie in their respective stances on military matters. Where the Whigs seem to want to increase the size of the British Army, perhaps in order to reconquer former territory, the Radicals seek a more pacifist solution. While the ambition of the Whigs is admirable, the British Republic is a new and fragile nation. We cannot afford to make enemies, and any attempt at conquest would be stopped by other nations, who surely fear the return of a strong British Empire. Instead, we should focus on rebuilding our country. Here, the Radicals emerge supreme once more - While the Whigs wish for the rich to go untaxed, the Radicals have realized that one cannot expect them to treat the workers humanely.
Instead, the government, while in general not interfering with the market, must ensure - perhaps through taxation - that all citizens are treated fairly. Only then can Britain reach its true potential.
Vote: Radicals
Up the Whigs!
Reform within reason! Progress but not too much of it! A hard-boiled egg!
Reform within reason! Progress but not too much of it! A hard-boiled egg!
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AS a communist, I must vote for the left, but small government will do no good! Whigs.
You, socialists (Even if the term doesn't exist yet), have you taken a look at the policies of the Whigs and the Radicals?
Here we are, faced with the choice between two parties (And a third, but those don't count), the two of which can lead us in very different directions. One is currently proposing an increased army budget along with tax cuts for the rich, where the other is advocating progressive taxes and pacifism.
Try checking who supports what - The result may surprise you.
(( I presume a bit o' in-thread campaigning is okay? ))
Here we are, faced with the choice between two parties (And a third, but those don't count), the two of which can lead us in very different directions. One is currently proposing an increased army budget along with tax cuts for the rich, where the other is advocating progressive taxes and pacifism.
Try checking who supports what - The result may surprise you.
(( I presume a bit o' in-thread campaigning is okay?
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