Economic fail, again...

Try to build army you can supply yourself.
If you have lumber, build lumbermills and get furniture factories. If you got cotton build cotton factories and cloth factories, etc.

The most common reason this happens to me is that there aren't enough goods to get any supply the factories.

Prestige seems much more important in AHD than in V2, in my limited experience with both.

Uh...yeah... Johore has extremely low population. Why would you even try to industrialise with like 100 craftsmen? And when you have 4 gold producing provinces...

This game is designed so that pretty much only countries in Europe and the Americas are playable. Johore's just meant to be a piece of land for exploitation by a greater power.

Actually, there's an easy way to succeed. After the UK spheres you, attack china for guangdong. You have Yue as accepted and the brits will do all the fighting for you. Alternatively, you could get a good-ish navy and blockade/siege taiwan. They'll probably let you have it. It also goes without saying that you should annex all the other indonesian uncivs before they civilise/get annexed, as well as thailand, which has a a lot of accepted pops that you can also turn into a state, if you can that is. That's what I did last time I tried johore. But after I got guangdong I quit because by then I was in the 1880s and I couldn't be bothered.

johore is playable and fun
johore's culture is malay and the region has lots of malay population, including colonizible territories

for industry, until fuel refinery becomes available, you should stick to subsidies i am afraid

Thracian said:

johore is playable and fun
johore's culture is malay and the region has lots of malay population, including colonizible territories

for industry, until fuel refinery becomes available, you should stick to subsidies i am afraid

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Why would he even industralise? He's got a population of 200k or something like that. He will *NOT* be able to industriase with a population this low. Furthermore, the pops he turns into craftsmen are pops that could be producing gold. When he gets a good population base (getting java somehow would make that happen), good tech and reasonable LIT, he can try to industralise. Personally, I would also get guangdong (might need the UK to help you there) and as many other yue states from china as possible (after you get guangdong, you can do that on your own), because even though they'll drop your LIT, they'll give you some really good population (just guangdong has like 4 mil pops IIRC). If you have to choose between LIT and pops, go for pops. Once you get some nice pops, you can kick the netherlands out and form indonesia as well. And you'll be a really big country with a not-that-good LIT that has some very good potential.

You can get 15 mil pops in your states easily (and more in your colonies). At that point, you'll be like an ottoman empire with a lot more accepted pops and a much, much higher population.The only problem is that you won't have a lot of game time left.

Out of curiosity, is there a particular reason why Johore accepts a culture which appears only in China?

calvinhobbeslik said:

Out of curiosity, is there a particular reason why Johore accepts a culture which appears only in China?

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The Johorian provinces themelves have Yue POPs, so should some of the ones in Thailand, Indonesia, etc. IIRC, having the Yue represents centuries of settlement by Chinese merchants.

I kindaa wish java had Yue and didn't start out with 0% civ progress

moldeh said:

I kindaa wish java had Yue and didn't start out with 0% civ progress

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Doesn't Johore ALSO start with 0% civ progress? And its 2 million people give you 5 NFs right off the bat, so you don't need Guangdong.

calvinhobbeslik said:

Doesn't Johore ALSO start with 0% civ progress? And its 2 million people give you 5 NFs right off the bat, so you don't need Guangdong.

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The NFs are the least of their problems. 4m pops isn't just NFs... it's also 4m pops. IE enough soldiers to defend against any GP and conquer more of China for some colonies, more RGOs, more craftsmen, more everything. Also, Johore starts with good-ish civ progress (at least in PDM anyway) and have gold provinces, so they've got no trouble balancing their budget. With Yue as accepted you can surpass the europeans.. eventually. If only you had more time to do that, but civing takes long.

moldeh said:

The NFs are the least of their problems. 4m pops isn't just NFs... it's also 4m pops. IE enough soldiers to defend against any GP and conquer more of China for some colonies, more RGOs, more craftsmen, more everything. Also, Johore starts with good-ish civ progress (at least in PDM anyway) and have gold provinces, so they've got no trouble balancing their budget. With Yue as accepted you can surpass the europeans.. eventually. If only you had more time to do that, but civing takes long.

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True, but you don't need them to be an accepted culture to raise soldiers from them, right?

calvinhobbeslik said:

True, but you don't need them to be an accepted culture to raise soldiers from them, right?

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If it's vanilla and you need guards or if it's PDM and you don't want silly irregulars, you do. I'm playing PDM.