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    ((I should make it clear that TTL, New England stretches from Maine to Pennsylvania, as the term managed to become a byword for the North-East when I wrote the updates. Should have said that sooner)).

    Mr. Khur, these companies formed from the break-up will not become as large as they wish to be. They shall endeavor to stay below 45% market share in order to avoid legal hassle. As for "lying to the face of every American", I never purported to present anti-trust as doing away with winners and losers. It's purpose is to let as many people as possible see which category they fit into. If someone is successful, they will be successful, and they will persevere. If someone is unsuccessful, their company will fall. The point is to give both the chance at success instead of having both fail by default because they were forced to fail by a company that has 85% market share.

    Guess I could give an outline too:

    Friends, I intend to today outline my views on the issues that our nation holds dear.

    The economy, and monopolies in particular, trouble you most of course. Yes, I do intend to bring anti-trust legislation national. You have heard the howls and roars of the Titans, that they shall shut down industry, that anti-trust is anti-economy and unconstitutional. I ask them; if you were not a Titan, if you were a young entrepreneur, a colonist instead of King George III, would you consider anti-trust to be wrong? Now, I have heard other critics of anti-trust say that its main problem is not that it is anti-trust, but that it is too vague in its definition of monopoly. Mr. Carr recently articulated in a speech the susceptibility of the legislation to abuse. While I can see Mr. Carr's point, I must remind him that I graduated with from Harvard with a degree in Law, and am thus uniquely suited to the job of making the legislation as watertight as humanly possible. The Titans have the money to sway future legislators' decisions, and for that reason anti-trust must go through now.
    When you ask me; "what of the government's role in the economy in general? You spearhead anti-trust and started up the NYSVS, surely you are a socialist?" I answer to you that I believe the government's role is to keep things fair and square. That is anti-trust's central purpose, to level the playing field. Nothing more. The New York Volunteer Service is there to pick up the pieces the private sector has disregarded, and give them employment until they can get a job in the private sector. There is a reason that companies in New York State asking for previous job experience ask youngsters "have you worked in the NYSVS?" instead of "have you worked?" Companies have grown to appreciate the training ground the NYSVS is for manual labor.
    The last question is that of the Federal Budget. Many fear that we are heading for a deficit. It is a fear that I fully understand. They do not wish to see taxes raised, and thus wish to see programs such as health care and Volunteer Services cut. However, we are in a most unique situation in this country. The sheer size of our economy, the prosperity of our people, and the speed of our growth, allow us to not only have our cake, but eat it too. The budget of the United States Federal Government has for nearly a century now experienced a surplus of tens of millions of dollars a year. We can afford not only to keep our current expenditures, but also give tax cuts across the board, which will fuel growth further, and soon the Federal Government will end up with a bigger per annum surplus than today! Heck, if we wanted to, we could expand expenditure and cut taxes at the same time! The only direction is up, and the only question how fast we can go!

    Many of you wonder what my stance is on unions and workers' rights. After all, my state has a reputation for disliking both. To you I say, worry not. I supported the National Labor Board, and believe workers' rights to be a most admirable cause. I have worked in the factories, and I have seen the progress made since those dark days when this nation's industry was harnessed to make war on itself. Employers need not fear either, for they are the glue that holds the system together. Workers must be protected, but the employer must also be allowed to make business. A worker has no use for a new security system if the costs of implementing it makes him unemployed.

    In foreign policy, the United States has fallen prey to a peculiar sort of paralysis. We have so much faith in our own strength and security, that we do not even entertain the possibility of someone actually challenging us. While I do not advocate marching into South America and restoring hegemony through arms, I do believe in a policy whereby one must "speak softly, and carry a big stick". We must speak softly in the UPCA, in Chile and in Peru, where certain factions advocate bringing territory lost to Ecuador back into the nation, but we must also remind them of the big stick that is the United States Military. In the Commonwealth, we must speak softly to the British, for their stick is the only stick bigger than ours. We must attempt to act as a voice of reason in the ever-darkening skies of Europe, lest we become embroiled in an eruption of pent-up tension that will make Napoleon's Wars look like a day at the park.

    Finally, immigration. I talk a lot about the American Dream, and I believe it extends to everybody. Our forefathers all arrived on this continent as immigrants, most with a spring in their step and a song in their heart. I think it a shame that there are people who believe a man has less right to his unalienable rights because he was born in Lancaster instead of Ohio. No quotas, no arbitrary restrictions. America is the land of opportunity. To quote a poet: Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp! Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free!

    Americans, the horizon awaits, and it is beautiful!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBadBob View Post
    I really, really wish there was. However, at the moment, the plan is to let you decide.

    I have sort of set Harrison up for success in the updates, so don't put it past me to try a last-minute power grab (I'll try my hardest not to), but I was always kind of hoping you'd elect me of your own free will, or as a thank you for running "The Presidents".

    I'm just saying, if you elect me, I'll be happy and there will be prosperity galore. I you don't, I'll accept the decision grudgingly... and put us in a depression so deep that you'll be asking Sokoto for loans. (I kid. I kid).

    (( Well, people have a clear and fair choice between reform or keeping the monopolies, as it should be; but Harrison has strong Democratic competition. If you really want to make this run smoothly, you'll have to fudge the "no more coalitions" thing I would say, but i don't see most sitting presidents be as accomodating as I was as Brass. Still, I would like to vote for you, but I made this nice new Democratic/socialist character. ))
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    Americans! For four years you have finally had a government responsive to your needs, a government run by a man who had felt the pangs of hunger, been a regular infantry-man in the Civil War, worked by the sweat of his brow and the blood of his hands. If you wish for your government to continue on the road to recovery, then elect me, Joe Hayden, the worker President. A vote for the Conservatives is a vote for the monopolists, defend your interests with the Democratic Party! We can not afford to let them back at the wheel, for they are the Goths and we have built the new Rome. They seek to destroy all which we have created, and we must defend it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by yourworstnightm View Post
    OOC: Basically this election will focus on the monopoly question, with the Dems fielding anti-monopoly candidates, the ACP fielding pro- monopoly candidates and the Federalists fielding one pro- and one anti-monopoly candidate. Good, now we just need some random element to make this election become about something completely different.
    ((I'm pro-monopoly? News to me!))

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    Monopolies are never good. They kill competition, which in turn kill the enterprising spirit of America. America need to keep two strong sectors: the private sector and the public sector. While the Hayden administration has done an excellent job in strengthening the public sector, the monopolies are slowly killing the private sector. The trusts must be busted.

    The New Economy is a dream we can reach. In the new economy everyone will have a chance, because in the New Economy there is equality. The economic criminals who first created the recession and now strangle competition would lose their thrones of greed, and we could turn these United States into a true land of milk and honey.
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    ((Could we put some Anti-Monopolies Bill up to Congress BBB?))
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    Quote Originally Posted by WelshDude View Post
    ((Could we put some Anti-Monopolies Bill up to Congress BBB?))
    Of course. Story-wise it would be best if you proposed it as a sort of "this is how we should do it" to any new anti-trust president. If however, a pro-trust (does that make sense?) candidate wins, then you should go for full on bill.

    I've come to see bills as a way for the opposition to get some parts of their agenda through, since the winner's legislation I usually give a "you win some, you lose some" treatment, and the losing candidate's agenda ends up completely ignored, which is unrealistic, as losers can still try to get less controversial bits of their platform through in RL by proposing bills.
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    Democrat: Hayden

    Out of interest Mr nightmore, what do you feel you could do better - and would do differently - than our incumbent?
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    ((I don't even know why I chose to ran, I'm obviously not going to win
    And thanks for telling me that now BBB, that completely shuts down Jamous and Cameron from being outside New England))

    Members of the Federalist Party, I come before you to seek your nomination for this comming election. I was once a founding member of this proud party, but left after becoming disillusioned with what it had become. I come now to try to bring it back to its original stance, and to prevent the legislation that Mr Harrison so seeks to implement with such radical vigour.

    As I have stated thus far, I will not seek to challenge or break up the monopolies found in our nation. They have done no harm to the nation's economy what so ever. Attacking them merely for high prices for some time is not only irresponsible for men of our station, but childish to say the least. These men have done nothing illegal or unconstitutional, as what they have merely done is exercise their right to the pursuit of happiness. Why should we punish them and take from them what they have worked to achieve and built?

    I will continue some of the work already done by President Hayden, and continue a form of limited interventionism. It has worked thus far in our history, it shall continue to work now. The monopolies shall be worked with to get production back up, prices down, and unemployment taken care of. I applaud what Mr Harrison has done in New York with the NYSVS, and I feel that it should be implemented across the whole nation, as our hard working people deserve to have aid when times are tough. I, like Mr Harrison, see that our budget has accumulated a grand amount of surplus, and understand that we can afford to cut taxes while also keeping the many programs that we have developed so far.

    As per foreign affairs, I feel that the Commonwealth should be open for any nation who wishes to join. We should not deny entry because a nation does not have the same style of government as us, no we should except all within this international organization, and I shall try to gain admission for our allies within the Americas. Unlike Mr Harrison, I do not believe that the UPCA should merely be talked to to cease their interference in our affairs. No, they must learn that when one plays petty games against the US, the US will not stand to be made the fool. I will not bully or threaten war, but the UPCA will learn, and quickly, that the US will not stand for these games any longer. As for Peru, I feel that the MEF should be used for what it was developed to do, the protect democracy within our allies and sphere. The MEF should quickly be launched to bring democracy back from the new dictatorship within Peru, and to free the Peruvian people from this new threat to their democracy and ways.

    Like Mr Harrison, I feel that the many unions within our nation are neccessary for the rights of every worker. I would push for reform within this field, but for the employers to not be threatened as well. All are equal, so none should be given any more rights or protection than they other. I would also seek to push for further reform within work safety regulations, and for a minimun wage to be established as well, as everyone should be payed enough to feed both themselves and their family. Finally, it is my belief that anyone who comes to our shores should have the same rights as someone born here. Everyone born on Earth, whether born in the US or not, were born equal, and will receive those same rights here in the US. We will not discriminate against them, but welcome them with open arms, and allow any who wish it to receive citizenship within our great nation.

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    Hayden.


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    Vote count is:

    Harrison/Khur : 2/0

    Hayden/Nightmore : 5/0

    Orleans/Garrett/Carr : 1/0/1

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    Aye/Nay/Abst. : 1/6/0

    I think I'll just close polls on the Federal and Democratic Primaries, and Put the ACP on Golden Vote.
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    ((So if ACP is on Golden Vote, what happens if that vote goes to Garrett?))
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    Quote Originally Posted by roy_mustang View Post
    ((So if ACP is on Golden Vote, what happens if that vote goes to Garrett?))
    Well then we'll have a three-way golden vote with the next one. (Actually, the ideal situation is Garrett dropping out and voting in favor of Orleans or Carr).
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    ((Carr is the only one here who isn't a man with questionable motives for running for president. Just keep that in mind when/if you vote ))
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    ((Why are we stopping the primaries so soon? Don't we usually wait a few days?))

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