So far, the last time I have seen Karlings on the map was with the 1066 vanilla start where they hold the county of Vermandois. Are there other (especially later) starts where Karlings still exist?
The Karlings and starting dates
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Well they historically die out around 1120 so 1066 seems appropriate for the last start date you'd see them.
So that's why I've never encountered them. Didn't know that they lived this long, only learned about it recently when I saw an older challenge where you start as Karling in 1066.
1081 is the last start date with a playable Karling, Adele Karling. Really tough start
depending on definitions, karlings might have not went extinct at all IRL, but most of us might atbe karlings this point. Brrr... just the thought nakes me shiver.
Realistically if you have western European ancestry you are almost certainly a descendant of Charlemagne (through an illegitimate line, but so is good old Herbert Karling in 1066), albeit in the female line. That's what happens when you have 1200 years of descendants to deal with (and a tendency towards being upper-class early on, making it easier to have more kids and have them survive and pass on their genes).
Not only illegitimate line but also female line. Genetics also transfer trough females (obviously
) but dynasties often end with them.
The basic rule of thumb is that for a discrete geographical area (such as Europe), the chances of being somehow descended from a particular person becomes highly likely IF they have known modern descendants (as Charlemagne does) after about the 1000 year mark. Essentially everyone in Europe is descended from everyone living in 9th century Europe who has surviving descendants. And of course, any ancestor of those people.
This is slightly complicated by the various modern migration patterns, but holds up mathematically. However, this doesn't mean you actually carry any of Charlemagne's DNA, either:
https://www.theguardian.com/science...-genetic-ancestry-charlemagne-adam-rutherford
This is slightly complicated by the various modern migration patterns, but holds up mathematically. However, this doesn't mean you actually carry any of Charlemagne's DNA, either:
https://www.theguardian.com/science...-genetic-ancestry-charlemagne-adam-rutherford
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Yeah, that's not an easy one. She's like 40yrs old or something, married patrilineally, and I think even has a non-dynastic heir or two. Probably have to get your hands quite dirty if you want to save the Karling line.
Edit: Apparently I was totally wrong about her age. She's only 19 and she has two daughters. Could have sworn she was up there in years, because I thought I did a game as her at one point. Weird.
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A few bastards she can legitimize might help. Older siblings can always be given to the Church.
I reckon spend her last remaining fertile years on seduction and get the other kids into holy orders or married outside the realm (assuming the laws make that a good idea).
Look for a divorce as well and remarry on her own terms? I can see it being doable without murder.
I might have to try this. If shes 40 you got 5 years to get an heir or you restart. seduction focus would only work if your affair is discovered, chances are the ai husband will claim the kids as legit his. Depending on her intrigue score you prob dont have 2-3 years to hang around waiting for the kill plot to fire. Best bet would be ask for divorce and if the answer is no make husband a commander and try to get him dead asap. Hire the victual brothers, make him a commander and leave him at sea? if shes a countess you prob cant afford that...
A lot depends on the husband - if he's Paranoid, Cynical or high Intrigue it's likely he'll find out the truth, and there's ALWAYS some chance.
As well, if you're using the Seduction Focus method there's a good chance of discovery of the affair. If you're a known adulteress, the divorce should be easier to swing, or at least he'll be more likely to investigate the pregnancy.
As well, if you're using the Seduction Focus method there's a good chance of discovery of the affair. If you're a known adulteress, the divorce should be easier to swing, or at least he'll be more likely to investigate the pregnancy.
What's her starting realm?
I mean- I managed to have an heir as Munis of Galilee once, so I'm sure it can be done. . .
I mean- I managed to have an heir as Munis of Galilee once, so I'm sure it can be done. . .
I have 50 years left to finish my House Jimena Survivor achievement, then I will have a report on the last Karling later this weekend or early next week.
The last Karlings were sacrificed to gods by the end of year 769, along with other prominent families.
Marry her to your courtier son or brother, and then keep seducing her. The child will be either your son, grandson, or nephew. Win-Win for everyone. The blood is saved.