CK2: Dev Diary #117 - Historical Wonders

[Windwill]

It doesn't have to be a marvel of engineering to provide some benefit to the person who holds it. This is something that represents the benefits of being the controller of the center of Islamic pilgrimage, which includes both prestige/piety and economic benefits. At the present time, this isn't represented with anything in the game. It would also be unique to Mecca and no other Great Mosque could gain this benefit. It would almost certainly be an improvement that gives a significant boost to monthly gold and either some piety or prestige.

The increased foot traffic from pilgrimage is reflected in the Silk Road Trade Post, right?

 

[cthm198]

@Tuscany

Also the same thing can be done with the Wall stretching across Scotland and England (Forget its name), and the Halicarnassus can even be dropped to level 1 or 2 since I believe around this time it was mostly destroyed.

That'd be Hadrian's Wall

 

[Xoatl]

That'd be Hadrian's Wall

I'd personally like to see unique buildings not totally discarded in favour of great works. Some distinction should be made between what is a great work and what is simply just a really long/tall/thick wall aka Theodosian Wall, Ishtar's wall, and Hadrian's wall. With the last one perhaps its an additional final level to the castle walls in those provinces like theodosian's wall but its not available unless ruled by the roman empire perhaps? With things like Colossus of Rhodes and Colosseum to save dev time they can be Great Statue and Great Amphitheatre but with a reskin a different icon art but rebuilt by Hellenes where the initial phase is started by event or decision when certain objectives are met. Like own Rhodes or burn down Rome (removing the apostalic palace in the process).

Meh, all this has been mentioned previously. Point is lets not throw the baby out with the bath water. Theres already certain unique buildings in the game like Irminsil (despite being inactive with reformed germanic ugh) or unique temple buildings for Hellenes.

 

[fr-rein]

I kow it is late to ask, but there won't be wonders/upgrades to add building slots?
Also a great work!

 

[treb]

Cathedrals
Local Tax Modifier +100%
Papal Influence +1

That bonus is awfully catholic specific... Perhaps a monthly increase in PA or buffing the effects of a metropolitan for orthodox? A monthly bit of extra cp and fervor for protestant/anglican and reformed? A slight increase to the effects of blessings for coptics?

 

[Kinkness]

That'd be Hadrian's Wall

Thank you I always forget the name of it, idk why.

 

[Blackwhitecavias]

That bonus is awfully catholic specific... Perhaps a monthly increase in PA or buffing the effects of a metropolitan for orthodox? A monthly bit of extra cp and fervor for protestant/anglican and reformed? A slight increase to the effects of blessings for coptics?

Cathedrals
Local Tax Modifier +100%
Papal Influence +1

Grand Mosque
Local Tax Modifier +100%
Monthly Piety +0.01
Missionaries +1

Synagogue
Local Tax Modifier +100%
Legitimacy +1

Great Temple
Local Tax Modifier +100%
Religious Unity +15%

Great Buddhist Temple
Local Tax Modifier +100%
Tolerance of Heathens +1

Great Hindu Temple
Local Tax Modifier +100%
Tolerance of Heathens +1

I expect that any religion that is not Catholic/Hindu/Buddhist/Jewish will get the Great Temple modifier

 

[Refumee]

Hello Paradox,

I love the art design of the wonders. I have so many plans with the game. I never played a zoroastrian, jew, hindu or Tibetan. I just don't have the time.
Nevertheless I'm looking forward to build some wonders in my newly formed Sassanid (Persian/Iranian) Empire (my next project). The combination of bloodlines and wonders increases the storytelling/RPG effects and I'm looking forward to it

But still, will we get our Red Pandas on the 2nd of April? I'll wait patiently ^_^

 

[SkyGreen24]

Is there will be a dev diary today?

 

[Alfray Stryke]

Is there will be a dev diary today?

Unlikely as CKII dev diaries are normally posted on Fridays.

 

[SkyGreen24]

Unlikely as CKII dev diaries are normally posted on Fridays.

Oh darn, I thought it was Friday, it's been a long week, my bad.

 

[Snow Crystal]

Oh darn, I thought it was Friday, it's been a long week, my bad.

But there should be one tomorrow, yes

 

[anomanderus]

That's more wishful thinking than obvious. Wishful thinking I share - don't mistake me. At this point in the game's life, Orthodoxy and Islam are the clear contenders for what needs attention next. But this isn't being bundled with a DLC, there's no clear benefit to holding back on the most obvious medieval wonders - if an upcoming DLC was going to interact with the wonders feature, history suggests that Paradox would have bundled wonders with that DLC. And they did make the whole "Hagia Sophia wasn't important until it became a mosque" gaffe. I don't think it's unreasonable for us to take Paradox at face value and respond to poor decisions in real time.

It isn't wishful thinking because it's clearly what they're doing otherwise there would be no point to not adding Islamic and Orthodox wonders right now.

 

[DapperDespot]

So glad to see continued support for this game, I was worried Holy Fury was sort of a last hurrah.

This has probably been asked and answered before, but I seem to have missed it if so. When is the Great Works update going live?

 

[Andrzej I]

This has probably been asked and answered before, but I seem to have missed it if so. When is the Great Works update going live?

Today we have some exciting news, which is that we will be releasing the latest update for Crusader Kings 2 ‘Great Works’ on April the 2nd, which will be completely free.

 

[Alfray Stryke]

But there should be one tomorrow, yes

I imagine it'll include the patch notes for next week's patch?

 

[volseraph]

Lighthouse of Alexandria

Not to pile on to the pedantry in this thread, but AFAIK the Lighthouse of Alexandria was never the tallest building in the world. (It was well shy of the Great Pyramid.)

 

[treb]

Not to pile on to the pedantry in this thread, but AFAIK the Lighthouse of Alexandria was never the tallest building in the world. (It was well shy of the Great Pyramid.)

Dont worry The Hagia Sophia was only famous after it was converted to a mosque too.

 

[Patriarch of Bub]

Dont worry The Hagia Sophia was only famous after it was converted to a mosque too.

I sense so much salt, i sprinkled some on my fries

 

[treb]

I sense so much salt, i sprinkled some on my fries

Not so much salt as utter confusion on how a company can go from the level of historical detail as to research and put in Tocharian to saying something as inaccurate as the Pharos being the tallest building or the Hagia Sophia not being famous despite being the biggest church for its entire existence as a church.