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What if the World War II would have started 10 years later? Would France been something else than punchbag for Germany? Would Italy have stood a chance? Would the soviets have reached Berlin by 1952?

The progress of military technology between 1939-1949 mostly came from WWII so military technology wouldn't propably be at our-history-1949 level.
 
Assuming Hitler kept up the military research budget, the Nazis would be blitzing in jetpacks arrmed with laserguns.
 
Yakman said:
Assuming Hitler kept up the military research budget, the Nazis would be blitzing in jetpacks arrmed with laserguns.
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Or, err, the economic meltdown trashes German's economy after the government goes bankrupt.
 
economic chaos??? the germans have LASERS!!!
 
Yakman said:
Assuming Hitler kept up the military research budget, the Nazis would be blitzing in jetpacks arrmed with laserguns.
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:rofl:

Seriously guys...
 
the time is against germany. the more it passes the more their economy would be in trouble wich would give domestics problems. and the english and the french where rearming. in a few years they would have had enought planes and france would have reorganised her tanks in armored division like it was meant to be. petain would have had 10 years more and then not being able to play a role as for the army 10 years more would have put some useless marechals and general to retirement (gamelin would have been 77 years old for example) allowing a new generation to command the french army (de gaulle, juin, de lattre de tassigny for example).
same for the weapons, the problems of french tanks (no radio, one man turrets) would have at least partially repared,.....
the time was against germany.
 
Nerfix said:
Did France plan to reorganize their armored forces into divisions?
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they where doing it as the war began. they didn't have enought time to do it. they are called DCR (division cuirassé de réserve) and DLM (divisions legeres mecaniques). they lacked about 1 year to be fully organised.
for example the 1st DCR is formed the 16 january 1940 buth they lack some materials (motorcycle for recon, logistic packs, the divisionnal artyllery lack the vehicles to track artillery. they did quite a good fight but where trapped by the lack of autonomy of the frenchs tanks and the lack of fuel.
the DLM are a bit older since the 1st DLM is created on 1935 but there are only 2 in 1940 (1st and 2nd) 3 are created on 1940 but it is too late (3rd, 4th and 7th)
look here http://www.chars-francais.net/archives/unites/1940/unites_1940.htm
 
Nerfix said:
Did France plan to reorganize their armored forces into divisions?
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they planned and they did.. in 1940 they had 4.. but they were quite badly organized and they had no experience using them, unlike the germans (Austria, poland)
 
String said:
they planned and they did.. in 1940 they had 4.. but they were quite badly organized and they had no experience using them, unlike the germans (Austria, poland)
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4 DCR and 5 DLM (compared to 1939 where there are only 2 DLM)
 
By 1949, Germany would be so behind in the military buildup that not even Hitler would be foolish enough to start a war. The sole reason why war started in 1939 even though the German military _could_ have been expanded even further is that Hitler believed (correctly) that the speed of the French, British and Russian rearmament left no other choice. In 1937 and 38, the relative speed of the German buildup was faster than the French and British speed. (Hitler's pretense at peace politics paid of hugely.) But as early as summer 1939 it was obvious the other had caught on the trend, of course because it had become obvious that Hitler was going to start expansion at all costs.

Every strategic decision by Hitler and the German leadership was made to avoid another situation like 1914 - where all of Europe was armed to the teeth, and Germany's only hope would lie in a long war of attrition. They knew that Germany could never win a war of attrition so their only option was to arm faster that the others and start the war before the other nations could react.
 
Nerfix said:
How about other countries?

Italy? Japan? UK? Soviets?
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a gess the italian situation would not have changed much since the political regime was not able to change itself. maybee they would have even change side.
japan would be a lot behind in technology and in power but they would have had plenty of time to finish war in china so i don't really know what it could became.
uk would have followed a bit the situation of france maybee a bit slower since they don't have has much to catch up. they would have also problems with india. as for the soviets i d'ont know but i don't think it would have been good for them since the army would have really been in bad shape. after all it is the war that pushed staline to let go a bit on the generals. the political police would probably be overpowerfull.
 
Well lets see.

Japan fights a war with the US, Britian and France resulting in her defeat by 1943. The three allies gain valuble experience from it and also brings America out of its isolationism.

In 1949 when war breaks out than, the Western Big 3 crush Hitler in a matter of a year before he even gets a chance to attack the USSR.
 
Karl Martell said:
There were others... Beria, Heydrich, Himmler, Khrushchev... there's never a shortage of zealous warmongering politicians.
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But not old enough to lose power and position as a main leader/dictator. Ofcourse there were others but all followers are usually killed in totalitary systems after master's death.
 
Jove said:
Well lets see.

Japan fights a war with the US, Britian and France resulting in her defeat by 1943. The three allies gain valuble experience from it and also brings America out of its isolationism.

In 1949 when war breaks out than, the Western Big 3 crush Hitler in a matter of a year before he even gets a chance to attack the USSR.
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you forget that the war with japan was because of the US oil embargo. this embargo come from the occupation of french indochina wich is a result of the collapse of france in 1940. so no européean war no embargo no pacific war. an help to the chinese like it was done before but not much more.
 
Nerfix said:
What if the World War II would have started 10 years later? Would France been something else than punchbag for Germany? Would Italy have stood a chance? Would the soviets have reached Berlin by 1952?

The progress of military technology between 1939-1949 mostly came from WWII so military technology wouldn't propably be at our-history-1949 level.
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The year after Münich showed that Germany rearmed faster than both the Allies and the Soviets. Presumably the German arms industry would have kept working at a higher rate even if the war hadn't started in 1939. Stalin, on the other hand, refused to believe that the Germans would invade, so they didn't prepare for the eventuality of war before 1941, and there's no reason to assume that they would have had the war not erupted in 1939. However, there would have been limits to how long the German industry could have been kept on war-gear without actually going to war. Maybe not til 1949. However, some high ranked officers had told Hitler that Germany would be fully ready for war in 1945 (which was pretty accurate, judging by hindsight), and the economy probably could have sustained the increased stress til then. But, if the war had not started even in 1945 but instead in 1949, there is a chance that the German economy would have bankrupted at some point between the years 1945-49. However I don't see any reason why the Germans would have prolonged their conquests so late, especially if they indeed would have been ready 4 years earlier. But, assuming the war would have started September 1 1949, I'd guess it would have been started by the Soviet Union, and the bankrupcy-weakened Germany would have been quickyl overrun, possibly from two directions (Allies rushing to meet the Soviets as far from their own borders as possible).
 
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