Western Europe 1337-1469 - The Rose, the Lily, and the Oak
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I would love some input, especially regarding ideas for possible clan based events and the Gaelic resurgence (which I want to put a lot of flavor in).
I amazingly have all the major noble families done right now (that have provinces on the map)!
The characters that need to be made are the ones that are filling the provinces not held by the major nobles. Later tonight when I am home I will post a detailed list of which families I have done and for which titles. And I will also post some information on the total planned map if anyone wants to work on those characters.
I have a handful of things that could be done regarding graphics. Icons for new traits, loading screens, province modifiers, and even portrait related work (if you are into that sort of graphics - I need country specific crowns!!!!).
This one is actually a bit complicated, mainly because there are Earls in Ireland under the King. I guess it could work with a viceroyalty, and that is something I can use for similar situations elsewhere when it comes up. I could just give Dublin and that area to the viceroyalty holder.
Could you give me a trait you would like done? I could do that one so you can decide if you would like my work.
You could try any one from the table (the ones below are all vanilla). Since they are all personality traits, you have some creative freedom here. You can pick a symbol maybe that represents it, up to you. Feel free to use Korbah's trait templates (which has all the base icons - like the green shape for genetic traits). If you would rather do a more grounded trait, I could use a new one for princes of the blood or one that represents population.
And if anyone has comments on the trait table (this is going to be how the personalities form in game) I would welcome some critique.
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I did three traits, lively, controlled, and talkative. Here they are. Anyone can feel free to use them, but please let me know beforehand if you intend to do so.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/2el88xk12y7ej37/icons.zip
http://www.mediafire.com/download/2el88xk12y7ej37/icons.zip
Yay! So you would like it if I do some more work? If so, what exactly did you mean by this "I could use a new one for princes of the blood or one that represents population." ?
They sound like they could be interesting.
Would definitely like some more!
I have a really boring and ugly trait icon for "of the blood" characters. I guess I should take some time to explain this new mechanic.
This is a way to augment the claim system in vanilla. Line of decent is traced by these traits so that when the main line dies out claim wars function a bit better. There is both agnatic decent and cognatic decent traits. Agnatic being stronger. Having these traits allow for more CBs and opportunities to gather support for internal realm politics as well. These traits only exist for Kingdoms (France, England, etc).
For population, there are 20 levels which right now are the simple scroll with a number:
Population is on a province level so they appear as a province modifier. Would be nice to have a not-so-ugly icon. The trick is that there are 20 levels of it.
Here is the first list of nobility titles, covering England
Code:
England
Earldoms
Cornwall - No holder
Devon - No holder - may make Courtenay holder to represent war
Somerset - Edmund Beaufort - could argue he wasn't recognized by the King, but keeping it so for sake of playing out the war
Dorset - Edmund Beaufort - could argue he wasn't recognized by the King, but keeping it so for sake of playing out the war
Winchester - No holder
Salisbury - Richard Neville, the Kingmaker
Bath - No holder
Berkshire - No holder
Wiltshire - No holder
Gloucester - Richard Plantagenet (House of York)
Arundel - William FitzAlan
Sussex - No holder
Kent - Edmund Grey
Surrey - John de Mowbray
Worcester - John Tiptoft
Warwick - Richard Neville, the Kingmaker
Leicester - No holder
Buckingham - Henry Stafford
Oxford - John de Vere
Bedford - No holder
Huntingdon - No holder
Northampton - No holder
Suffolk - John de la Pole
Ely - Bishop of Ely - not a prince-bishop from what I have read, but they had control over Ely
Norfolk - John de Mowbray
Cambridge - No holder
Rivers - Anthony Woodville
Lincoln - John de la Pole (son of the Duke of Suffolk)
Nottingham - John de Mowbray
Derby - No holder
Rutland - No holder
Hereford - No holder
Shrewsbury - John Talbot
Stafford - Henry Stafford
Chester - George Plantagenet (House of York) - As Heir to the throne
Westmorland - Ralph Neville
Lancaster - No holder
Cumberland - No holder
Carlisle - No holder
Durham - Prince-Bishop of Durham
Northumberland - John Neville
Richmond - Henry Tudor
Bridgewater - No holder
York - No holder
Essex - Henry Bourchier
Hertford - No holder
Lord of Mann - Thomas Stanley
Dukedoms
Lancaster - No holder
York - No holder
Gloucester - Richard Plantagenet (House of York)
Cornwall (Eldest son of reigning monarch)
Norfolk - John de Mowbray
Clarence - George Plantagenet (House of York)
Buckingham - Henry Stafford
Somerset - Edmund Beaufort - could argue he wasn't recognized by the King, but keeping it so for sake of playing out the war
Suffolk - John de la Pole
Title for Heir
Prince of Wales (Includes Chester)
You could try any one from the table (the ones below are all vanilla). Since they are all personality traits, you have some creative freedom here. You can pick a symbol maybe that represents it, up to you. Feel free to use Korbah's trait templates (which has all the base icons - like the green shape for genetic traits). If you would rather do a more grounded trait, I could use a new one for princes of the blood or one that represents population.
And if anyone has comments on the trait table (this is going to be how the personalities form in game) I would welcome some critique.
How does this work? are the two columns under each humor mutually exclusive? Also, in the bottom part I see lifestyle traits like impaler, gardener or hunter mixed with personality traits. Are those no longer going to be considered lifestyles?
They way it is going to work is on birth you will recieve a trait on the first line, one of the four humors.
A few years later you learn which type of that humor you are (they combine to form a single trait to avoid clutter). This is influenced based on child hood events.
As you grow you will gain 2 of the next set of traits, again event based.
As you grow further you will gain 2 of the vanilla traits.
The vanilla traits in each column are only possible within that specific humor and sub-humor.
The lifestyles count as lifestyles still, but they are in the chart to show which personality types will have access to them.
Basically it's designed to follow a simplistic yet effective way to form realistic and distinctive personalities (which will heavily influence choices in events).
Second promised list of titles and holders, this time for France. I want to note that I am breaking up some of the extremley large territories. Namely Brittany, Aquitaine, Normandy, and Toulouse (adding counties within them such as Penthieve, Mortain, etc).
Code:
France
Lordships (big ones)
Albret - Charles d'Albret
Beaujeu - Jean d'Bourbon, Duke of Bourbon
Parthenay - Francois d'Dunois (Son of Jean, the Bastard of Orleans)
Viscounties
Limoges - Alain d'Albret (via his wife)
Turenne - Antoine de La Tour
Soule - Gaston d'Grailly
Bearn - Gaston d'Grailly
Bigorre - Gaston d'Grailly
Narbonne - Jean d'Grailly
Chatellerault - Rene d'Anjou (Valois Cadet)
Counties
Brittany - Francois de Dreux
Retz - Francois de Dreux
Vertus - Francois de Dreux
Tonnerre - Francois de Dreux
Anjou - Rene d'Anjou (Valois Cadet)
Provence - Rene d'Anjou (Valois Cadet)
Touraine - Rene d'Anjou (Valois Cadet)
Bar - Rene d'Anjou (Valois Cadet)
Poitou - No holder
Aunis - No holder
Saintonge - No holder
Angouleme - Charles d'Angouleme (Orleans Cadet)
Perigord - Alain d'Albret (via his wife)
La Marche - Jean d'Bourbon (Bastard of Vendome)
Armagnac - Jean d'Armagnac
Rodez - Jean d'Armagnac
Foix - Gaston d'Grailly
Comminges - Jean d'Lescun
Aquitaine - Charles d'Valois
Toulouse - No holder
Auvergne - Jean d'Bourbon, Duke of Bourbon
Bourbon - Jean d'Bourbon, Duke of Bourbon
Forez - Jean d'Bourbon, Duke of Bourbon
Clermont - Jean d'Bourbon, Duke of Bourbon
Dauphine - No holder
Charolais - Charles d'Burgundy, the Bold (Valois Cadet)
Burgundy (duchy) - Charles d'Burgundy, the Bold (Valois Cadet)
Burgundy (county) - Charles d'Burgundy, the Bold (Valois Cadet)
Flanders - Charles d'Burgundy, the Bold (Valois Cadet)
Artois - Charles d'Burgundy, the Bold (Valois Cadet)
Picardy - Charles d'Burgundy, the Bold (Valois Cadet)
Nevers - Jean d'Nevers (Burgundy Cadet)
Rethel - Jean d'Nevers (Burgundy Cadet)
Sancerre - Louis d'Bourbon
Nemours - Jacques d'Armagnac
Champagne - No holder
Guise - Charles d'Anjou (Valois Cadet)
Maine - Charles d'Anjou (Valois Cadet)
Valois - Louis d'Orleans (Valois Cadet)
Orleans - Louis d'Orleans (Valois Cadet)
Blois - Louis d'Orleans (Valois Cadet)
Aumale - Jean d'Vaudemont
Eu - Charles d'Artois (Capet Cadet)
Longueville - Francois d'Dunois (Son of Jean, the Bastard of Orleans)
Dunois - Francois d'Dunois (Son of Jean, the Bastard of Orleans)
Normandy - No holder
Vendome - Jean d'Bourbon
Perche - Jean d'Alencon (Valois Cadet)
Alencon - Jean d'Alencon (Valois Cadet)
Berry - No holder
Dukes
Brittany - Francois de Dreux
Anjou - Rene d'Anjou (Valois Cadet)
Bar - Rene d'Anjou (Valois Cadet)
Aquitaine - Charles d'Valois
Auvergne - Jean d'Bourbon, Duke of Bourbon
Bourbon - Jean d'Bourbon, Duke of Bourbon
Dauphine - No holder
Burgundy - Charles d'Burgundy, the Bold (Valois Cadet)
Nemours - Jacques d'Armagnac
Valois - Louis d'Orleans (Valois Cadet)
Orleans - Louis d'Orleans (Valois Cadet)
Alencon - Jean d'Alencon (Valois Cadet)
Title for Heir
Dauphine of France (Linked with the Dauphine)Also for population, how does the baby from the bastard traits along with a number next to it sound? Also, here's some more traits I got done. I made three blood of traits for you to choose between.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/vvbtm90bpbd53u5/;oia;hciqegch'.zip
EDIT: How would you like the humor traits to look? They sound pretty important so I would like to get them done for you first before personality traits.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/vvbtm90bpbd53u5/;oia;hciqegch'.zip
EDIT: How would you like the humor traits to look? They sound pretty important so I would like to get them done for you first before personality traits.
The blood drop ones would work nice I think. The color can change based on the color of the country. Would be a good way to do it I think. Easily Identifiable.
Interesting idea for the population icon.
Here are my population icons, not sure if they are much better than the scrolls though... Also I probably wont get much done of this until next Sunday as my weeks are generally pretty full, so sorry 
http://www.mediafire.com/download/oua8lbwjoxplmnp/Population.zip
http://www.mediafire.com/download/oua8lbwjoxplmnp/Population.zip
This project looks amazing! I've been hoping for something like this for a long time
If you need any help researching, particularly noble and royal families of England/Frace or members of the HRE (the Habsburgs etc.), I'm totally happy to help with that
If you need any help researching, particularly noble and royal families of England/Frace or members of the HRE (the Habsburgs etc.), I'm totally happy to help with that
