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Ossiv said:
What is missing in game is the ability to use transport planes to air transport troops between the airfields. That was possible and done during WWII. For example during the Battle of Crete, German Paratroopers were first paradropped into the island, but then after capturing an airfield, a Mountain division was air transported by Ju 52s into the airport.
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You can paradrop your paratroopers into friendly territory, including territory you just captured, as long as you are at war. I know you're probably thinking along the lines of transporting non-para infantry, but this is something at least.

I actually used this ability to evacuate my paras from Moscow via the nearby airfield when it become clear that the airborne army I dropped there was going to succumb to Soviet forces. I managed to get about 15 of 20 divisions out this way. The remaining 5 had to stay behind and bravely sacrificed themselves, but the others lived to take part in a later repeat of the operation which succeeded in linking up with the main front.
 
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Crecer13 said:
Wrong:
- Japan naval and ground forces have Airborne Forces. Participated in the parachute capture of the Dutch East Indies and Sumatra.
- Landing at Nadzab September 5, 1943. The 503rd Regiment was used quite often for parachute operations in the Pacific Ocean, and then it also participated in single-shot operations in 1945.
- in 1945, the United States used the 11th Airborne Division for the parachute operation in the Philippines.
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While it's true that there were airborne operations in the Pacific theater, most if not all of these drops originated from airfields less than 1000 km from the drop zones. SNLF and Japanese army paradrops were all launched from airfields in Mindanao, Borneo, or Malaya, generally between 400 to 700 km away. The Nadzab drop was launched from 300 km south in Port Moresby. The 11th Airborne launched from bases in the Philippines and dropped within a few hundred km.

I guess in theory it was possible to drop paratroops on far flung islands like Iwo since the C-47 had the range, but clearly WWII commanders had reasons for not doing this.
 
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unmerged(485085) said:
I guess in theory it was possible to drop paratroops on far flung islands like Iwo since the C-47 had the range, but clearly WWII commanders had reasons for not doing this.
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Arnhem was "a bridge too far" even though the Arnhem drop was only 100 km behind enemy lines. The limitation wasn't the range of the planes; it was the ability of other ground forces to relieve the paratroops. Paras weren't supersoldiers that would just drop in unassisted and win battles against the enemy singlehandedly hundreds of kilometers behind the front. They were an additional surprise element for an attack, flanking from the air. But "flanking" presumes there's some other main attack direction. Same with the Normandy invasion; they didn't just take Paris and be done with it, even though Paris is only about 260 km from Dover. The paras landed near the beaches to assist with the invasion and link up rapidly with other forces.

The US didn't just airdrop in Iwo because that would mostly likely have failed without an invasion fleet with some Marines or regular Army to land along with them. The 11th Airborne was 8-9,000 soldiers, while Iwo had around 20,000 defenders; the actual invasion was around 110,000 troops. If you had that, they evidently didn't think the paras would add a lot on the island compared to their use elsewhere. They did have one airborne division (the 11th) as well as a airborne regimental combat team in the Pacific, and those units did do some airdrops, particularly in New Guinea (terrible for ground movement) and at Leyte. But again, that was in conjunction with other amphibious forces, and the paras were used as often as elite light infantry in difficult terrain as they were as airborne units.

Transports could probably use some longer range, particularly with airframe or engine tech advancements, but that would be for use with an air transport feature (not currently in existence) or air supply.
 
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unmerged(485085) said:
While it's true that there were airborne operations in the Pacific theater, most if not all of these drops originated from airfields less than 1000 km from the drop zones. SNLF and Japanese army paradrops were all launched from airfields in Mindanao, Borneo, or Malaya, generally between 400 to 700 km away. The Nadzab drop was launched from 300 km south in Port Moresby. The 11th Airborne launched from bases in the Philippines and dropped within a few hundred km.

I guess in theory it was possible to drop paratroops on far flung islands like Iwo since the C-47 had the range, but clearly WWII commanders had reasons for not doing this.
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The problem is that this is HoI4. We can only build one airfield in the region, and it is often built where it is very poorly located. We can't build an airfield where we want and parachute onto an island to shorten the distance. And therefore, transport and parachute operations with the Pacific Ocean in the game are simply terrible. 1000 kilometers just isn't enough.

But 1000 kilometers is terrible not only in the Pacific Ocean. If I want to do a "Red Dawn" and do a parachute operation, I won't be able to do it in the game. The distance from the extreme point in the USSR to Alaska is more than 1000 km in the game due to how the map was made. Although in reality the Bering Strait separating the USSR / Russia from the USA is 89 kilometers.

There is no North Pole in the game. For example, I captured all of Europe and Britain, and in North America in Canada, the Nazis came to power and they needed to be removed, the shortest and most logical way would be a parachute invasion through the North Pole. But the game doesn't do that. The same is true for Greenland. For the USSR, the most logical and shortest path would be a parachute invasion through the North Pole.

There are a lot of places in the game where the standard 1000 kilometers just don't work.
 
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Crecer13 said:
If I want to do a "Red Dawn" and do a parachute operation, I won't be able to do it in the game. The distance from the extreme point in the USSR to Alaska is more than 1000 km in the game due to how the map was made. Although in reality the Bering Strait separating the USSR / Russia from the USA is 89 kilometers.
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Assuming you are talking about the original "Red Dawn", then the Paratroops didn't come from the USSR. They came from Communist Mexico (following a socialist coup d'état) and other Latin American countries (maybe including Cuba) aboard An-12 Aircraft disguised as commercial airliners.
 
xtfoster said:
Assuming you are talking about the original "Red Dawn", then the Paratroops didn't come from the USSR. They came from Communist Mexico (following a socialist coup d'état) and other Latin American countries (maybe including Cuba) aboard An-12 Aircraft disguised as commercial airliners.
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Not realy. Approximate map of the events described in the movie:
Blue: The United States and its allies Canada, the United Kingdom and the People's Republic of China.
Red: The Soviet Union and its allies Cuba and Nicaragua.
Green: The neutral countries of Western Europe.
The arrows show the invasion routes, and the red dots show the cities that were destroyed by nuclear weapons which are Washington D.C., Omaha (Nebraska), New York City NY, Kansas City (Missouri) and Beijing (China).

As you can see, there was an invasion through Alaska.
 
Crecer13 said:
Not realy. Approximate map of the events described in the movie:
Blue: The United States and its allies Canada, the United Kingdom and the People's Republic of China.
Red: The Soviet Union and its allies Cuba and Nicaragua.
Green: The neutral countries of Western Europe.
The arrows show the invasion routes, and the red dots show the cities that were destroyed by nuclear weapons which are Washington D.C., Omaha (Nebraska), New York City NY, Kansas City (Missouri) and Beijing (China).

As you can see, there was an invasion through Alaska.
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I am going to assume that whoever created that map did it based on Lt. Col. Tanner's speach to the Wolverines. If you actually watch that, you will know that the invasion of Alaska was the second wave of "3 whole Army Groups" across the Bering Strait.
 
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xtfoster said:
I am going to assume that whoever created that map did it based on Lt. Col. Tanner's speach to the Wolverines. If you actually watch that, you will know that the invasion of Alaska was the second wave of "3 whole Army Groups" across the Bering Strait.
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In general, this is not particularly important. "Red Dawn" is a metaphorical phrase describing the USSR's parachute invasion of the United States. Two more games that have similar features and are shown in a very exciting way are World in Conflict and Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2.
 
xtfoster said:
I am going to assume that whoever created that map did it based on Lt. Col. Tanner's speach to the Wolverines. If you actually watch that, you will know that the invasion of Alaska was the second wave of "3 whole Army Groups" across the Bering Strait.
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Very impressive in-depth knowledge of "Red Dawn."

Respect.
 
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billcorr said:
Very impressive in-depth knowledge of "Red Dawn."

Respect.
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Red Dawn (the original, not the abomination of a remake) is one of the movies that if I see it while channel hopping, I stop and watch.
 
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