Kingdom of Aquitaine? Why KoF??

[minke19104]

Why does the King of France create the title of Kingdom of Aquitaine? Makes no sense to me... A human player king would just wait until all the southern provinces get de-jure ed....

Makes for a weird game, is this WAD?

 

[benz282]

The king of France might be Occitian. I think the AI prefers to have their primary kingdom reflect their culture (hence why German Karlings in Lothrangia don't create Frisia, but if a Dutch noble is elected, they form Frisia).

 

[Joemit]

No, they do it even if they're French. You can mod it so there's a culture requirement for Aquitaine.

 

[Sunspawn]

Bullshit. One of the first things Phillip( or Robert, if he gets his way) does when he has the cash and piety is to create Aquitaine. It's, quite frankly, annoying.

 

[Kansai-kun]

At some point they messed the AI's title creation behaviour up. In the past the AI only created more kingdom titles when it was able to create the local empire title. Otherwise it just assimilated everything into its primary title. Now the AI creates as many titles as it can, leading to massive opinion mali for "too many held kingdoms" and massive succession crisises, ripping their realms apart and creating a horrible patchwork on the map.

 

[Sunspawn]

Except the HRE. The HRE never has succession crises and always blobs out of control. And the Karlings have reverse succession crises - they fight succession wars to gather it all under one person.

 

[Kansai-kun]

Except the HRE. The HRE never has succession crises and always blobs out of control. And the Karlings have reverse succession crises - they fight succession wars to gather it all under one person.

Because AI empires never create lesser titles. As soon as the AI gets its hands on an empire title, the realm becomes extremely stable. But on kingdom or duchy level? They create as many titles as they can.

 

[TehJumpingJawa]

In gavel kind this behavior is just flat out broken.

 

[Dracko81]

I think it was introduced to stop the AI gavelkind norse mass kingdom issue.

After ToG introduction there was alot of complaints about the norse being OP and the reason being that they never created other title and never dividing. The change was introduced around that time. Now the AI will create all available titles, iff it is under gavelkind succession. Change France succession to Primogeniture and see if it still happens, pretty sure it will drift then.

 

[Kansai-kun]

I think it was introduced to stop the AI gavelkind norse mass kingdom issue.

After ToG introduction there was alot of complaints about the norse being OP and the reason being that they never created other title and never dividing. The change was introduced around that time. Now the AI will create all available titles, iff it is under gavelkind succession. Change France succession to Primogeniture and see if it still happens, pretty sure it will drift then.

Doesn't France start with Primogeniture in 1066? In this case the problem isn't that France is divided on the king's death, but that he'll create Aquitaine and lose it a few years later to a revolt in the south.

 

[minke19104]

Game was so perfect before ToG... Why Paradox?? WHY?

Can someone point me to the mod fix for this?

 

[scelestus13]

How about just moving Aquitaine into de jure France 1066 and later? This already is in the game with some German duchies moving from Pomerania to Germany from 867 to 1066.

 

[Joemit]

Yes, that would work.

 

[SigurdStormhand]

Doesn't France start with Primogeniture in 1066? In this case the problem isn't that France is divided on the king's death, but that he'll create Aquitaine and lose it a few years later to a revolt in the south.

I think it's elective, as I once got elected King of France and irrc the AI never opts for that succession law.

 

[Sunspawn]

Maybe making Aquitaine a titular title formed by a decision by an Occitan Duke in formerly-de-jure-Aquitaine in the 1066 start, while the lands are in de-jure France?

And Henry having a claim on d_aquitaine really, really sucks.

 

[Ols]

Aquitaine, Lotharingia, Frisia, Burgundy and maybe Bavaria should all be rethought in 1066. Maybe not eliminated, but it wouldn't hurt for them to have requirements (such as not being a King or Emperor already) or to be made smaller.

 

[Zolotaya]

If you play the later bookmarks, I'd caution about making the Occitan culture a requirement - unless you consider the Plantagenets as Occitan.

I agree with Ols that the dejure map of 1066 should be different than that of 867.

 

[Kansai-kun]

If you play the later bookmarks, I'd caution about making the Occitan culture a requirement - unless you consider the Plantagenets as Occitan.

Why? The Plantagenets never declared themselves King of Aquitaine.:huh:

 

[Rationalsanity]

Yeah, Aquitaine should be titular by 1066, as should Frisia (with Flanders moved out of the HRE), if you don't want France collapsing every damn game.

There is a good de jure adjustment mod, called In Novo Iure, but it's only been updated for 2.1.4, not the beta. It solves a lot of issues in some of the later start dates as well.

 

[Rationalsanity]

And Henry having a claim on d_aquitaine really, really sucks.

Yep, it's only weak but the French AI dukes aren't capable of realizing that contesting the title while the grey blob of death has a claim on it is incredibly stupid.