With the recent return of bobtdwarf I'd like to continue discussion on one of the exciting developments for Interregnum 2, which involves the struggle for the HRE, the Wittelsbachs, the formation of Germania and the possible early Reformation.
I don't want to see a repeat of too much of the early discussion, so for those who were not around, read this thread first, especially the second half of it, as it was a thread that evolved somewhat.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=318814
So, now you are up-to-date on discussions.
This proposal/sequence is intended principally for Interregnum 2, in part because it will be that much harder to do in Interregnum 1 because of the map. The new map has, for example, a separate province for Trier and Mainz and so I was able to write specific storylines for each of those electoral arch-bishoprics. Indeed, Trier begins the game as a separate country, which it could not do in Int1.
I wrote events to lay the groundwork for the 'gathering storm' as the Wittelsbach move enexorably toward the hereditary control of the empeorship and the formation of Germany and the Pope and opposing 'imperial' families try to outmanouver them.
Download the file here.
So, there are many possible outcomes in all of this. Maybe there is no Iberian crusade, maybe there is. Maybe Bavaria takes up the challenge, maybe it doesn't. Maybe the Pope backs down from confronting the Wittelsbachs, maybe not. There are many paths and outcomes.
Let us assume three things have occured.
1. Albrecht der Weise is Emperor.
2. The Pope has decided to continue to challenge the Wittelsbachs.
3. The Pope's early gambits, involving the election of archbishops in Trier and Mainz have proven successful.
The first item, that of Albrecht being emperor, is what leads to the formation of Germania, by Albrecht trying to make the role hereditary. He is a powerful figure, rules for a long time and is thought to control ebough votes. the question is, how would this look? What is the process? This is worth it's own thread, I suppose, but I suspect that it will be intimately debated with points 2 and 3.
The position and success of the Pope is what can lead to the Early Reformation, which is a politically-motivated break between the Emperor and the Pope, rather than one grounded is strong theological differences, as the 'normal' reformation is (although it correlatees with the motivations of monarchs like Henry VIII).
How would this break between Rome and the Emperor look and play out?
In amongst all the discussions we need to remember that until the Source Code Team build a new HRE (and if paradox allows it) we are stuck with the clumsy HRE and tools of EU2. So, let's not have suggestions for things that are almost impossible to code or actually are impossible to code.
I don't want to see a repeat of too much of the early discussion, so for those who were not around, read this thread first, especially the second half of it, as it was a thread that evolved somewhat.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=318814
So, now you are up-to-date on discussions.
This proposal/sequence is intended principally for Interregnum 2, in part because it will be that much harder to do in Interregnum 1 because of the map. The new map has, for example, a separate province for Trier and Mainz and so I was able to write specific storylines for each of those electoral arch-bishoprics. Indeed, Trier begins the game as a separate country, which it could not do in Int1.
I wrote events to lay the groundwork for the 'gathering storm' as the Wittelsbach move enexorably toward the hereditary control of the empeorship and the formation of Germany and the Pope and opposing 'imperial' families try to outmanouver them.
Download the file here.
So, there are many possible outcomes in all of this. Maybe there is no Iberian crusade, maybe there is. Maybe Bavaria takes up the challenge, maybe it doesn't. Maybe the Pope backs down from confronting the Wittelsbachs, maybe not. There are many paths and outcomes.
Let us assume three things have occured.
1. Albrecht der Weise is Emperor.
2. The Pope has decided to continue to challenge the Wittelsbachs.
3. The Pope's early gambits, involving the election of archbishops in Trier and Mainz have proven successful.
The first item, that of Albrecht being emperor, is what leads to the formation of Germania, by Albrecht trying to make the role hereditary. He is a powerful figure, rules for a long time and is thought to control ebough votes. the question is, how would this look? What is the process? This is worth it's own thread, I suppose, but I suspect that it will be intimately debated with points 2 and 3.
The position and success of the Pope is what can lead to the Early Reformation, which is a politically-motivated break between the Emperor and the Pope, rather than one grounded is strong theological differences, as the 'normal' reformation is (although it correlatees with the motivations of monarchs like Henry VIII).
How would this break between Rome and the Emperor look and play out?
In amongst all the discussions we need to remember that until the Source Code Team build a new HRE (and if paradox allows it) we are stuck with the clumsy HRE and tools of EU2. So, let's not have suggestions for things that are almost impossible to code or actually are impossible to code.