Hearts of Iron IV removed from Steam in China

[ChairmanMeow]

As a Chinese, I'd say Tibet did enjoy a de facto independence after 1911 but not a de jure one. Same applies for Mongolia. At least HOI4 should place CHI claims in these regions, if cores are debatable.

Yes, at that time, it was. But Reting Rinpoche directed the next Da Lai chosen in Qinghai Province, and this DaLai, regardless of his escape assisted by foreign powers later, was authorized by Chiang Kai-Shek himself. In fact when he knew that the boy was chosen in Qinghai, he laughed his ass off and said: "Finally, Tibet is in my hand!"

EDIT: Maybe a event to add cores when you get these territory is a doable approach. But according to my knowledge I think Outer Mongolia is unlikely to be cores. Same things for Tannu Tuva.

 

[icedt729]

This is how history is rewritten.

In all fairness, HOI4's China setup is not exactly rich in historical accuracy and detail.

That being said yeah, this is just one more way for Xi's CCP to show its control over what normal Chinese are allowed to do, say and think.

 

[Thrac]

In all fairness, HOI4's China setup is not exactly rich in historical accuracy and detail.

That being said yeah, this is just one more way for Xi's CCP to show its control over what normal Chinese are allowed to do, say and think.

I totally agree, PRC and ROC need far more love, like NFs, events etc

And as a european i feel v sad that the chinese can’t enjoy this beautiful game cuz of political reasons.

 

[ChairmanMeow]

I totally agree, PRC and ROC need far more love, like NFs, events etc

And as a european i feel v sad that the chinese can’t enjoy this beautiful game cuz of political reasons.

Paradox games are not so popular in mainland China, it's a kind of niche needs. Most of its players are gathered through social networks, which remain intact now. And, since this game had already published for a year and more, true lovers had already have them in their game libraries. To be honest, this removal(and almost every removal) is not so powerful enough to keep people from playing this. I have just confirmed that some groups will continue their works such as Chinese localizations and historical mod-making etc. People who don't play this game, however, are quite happy with this, as see the removal to be a fight back against soverignity challenged.

 

[Temudhun Khan]

As a Chinese, I'd say Tibet did enjoy a de facto independence after 1911 but not a de jure one. Same applies for Mongolia. At least HOI4 should place CHI claims in these regions, if cores are debatable.

Well, considering Germany and Austria/Hungary start without cores on most territories they lost in WW1 but can get some of them back thanks to NF trees, I think the same should apply to China. Sadly, there's no focus trees for China yet.

 

[CarlVonClausewitz]

So it's banned... And if I know the Chinese well enough, it's for good or for a long time at least. I hope I am wrong though...

 

[CarlVonClausewitz]

So it's banned... And if I know the Chinese well enough, it's for good or for a long time at least. I hope I am wrong though...

Also, this situation reminds me a lot of some stories I have read in the news, where university professors in Australian universities (where there are many Chinese students) get slammed and forced to apology or nearly fired because they show maps that show Taiwan as an independent country or just call it Taiwan (as opposed to "the Chinese province of Taipei" or something like that). The students argue that their feelings get hurt if the professor states Taiwan as independent. Well...



Just my thoughts here.

 

[gqqnbig]

I strongly disagree to add Tibet core for China for the Chinese market. Game developers should be honesty to the history rather than the altered history by CCP.

Yet, I highly recommend to release a dedicated China version where People's Republic of China has global cores, the army of Republic of China is doing nothing in the Second Sino-Japanese War, meaning don't deploy them at the front line, People's Republic of China has numerous buff and is able to quickly build army and defeat Japan; it's best to make People's Republic of China the easiest nation to conquer the whole world. By counting how many "China global core" mods, "Most powerful China" mods in steam workshop, you will know Chinese do like themselves to be the world saver. Building these in the game helps unban the game a lot.

This is the orthodox history that most Chinese are forcefully accepted at school. If the game exhibits the history in an unofficial way, it's likely to be banned.

 

[Broletariat90]

I wouldn't be surprised that the talk of the next expansion or dlc would concentrate on the two China's is a reason it was banned. Anyways, If I remember correctly previous HOI games were banned for the same reasons. I really hope Paradox doesn't give into what the Party considers "history".

 

[Broletariat90]

Also, this situation reminds me a lot of some stories I have read in the news, where university professors in Australian universities (where there are many Chinese students) get slammed and forced to apology or nearly fired because they show maps that show Taiwan as an independent country or just call it Taiwan (as opposed to "the Chinese province of Taipei" or something like that). The students argue that their feelings get hurt if the professor states Taiwan as independent. Well...



Just my thoughts here.

I've seen it at my university first hand. It's ridiculous. And the students themselves are constantly watched by "student associations" that are really just a front for the Party.

 

[iquabakaner]

I'm actually surprised those warlords were not made into puppets of nationalist China, especially after the puppet rework. The leader of the Guangxi Clique, Li Zongren, literally led the Chinese army in the first (official) victory against the Japanese, and he was later considered a war hero and was elected as vice-president.

 

[KimmelZhang123]

I don't feel said for hoi4 got banned even i feel paradox deserve that.Both PRC and CHI don't have core of tibet, PRC don't have core of hongkong, this game is not chinese, and i think in paradox's opinion the asian war zone is not a part of ww2, and most of steam user in china don't want paradox coop with tencent make a "ruined version of hoi4" luanch wegame for chinese players,such like in chinese version of dota2 the blood is black or green or look like shit, it ruined the game...

a video game doesn't agree your political view that your learned from your high school political class ------------- This game should be banned. Nice logic, Tecent game are specifically made for your kind of guys.

 

[KimmelZhang123]

Also, this situation reminds me a lot of some stories I have read in the news, where university professors in Australian universities (where there are many Chinese students) get slammed and forced to apology or nearly fired because they show maps that show Taiwan as an independent country or just call it Taiwan (as opposed to "the Chinese province of Taipei" or something like that). The students argue that their feelings get hurt if the professor states Taiwan as independent. Well...



Just my thoughts here.

Australian universities are taking stronger stand now, they finally realize how a bad idea it is to give power to the brianless ones.

 

[inteljoe]

Australian universities are taking stronger stand now, they finally realize how a bad idea it is to give power to the brianless ones.

I work in the academic sector in the US. I see this first hand every day.

 

[vanin]

They also banned battle-royale type games as they don't comply with "cooperative socialist values" of China. They seem to be renewing their efforts and clamping down on media in general, VPNs also get shut down with increased frequency (not that it matters if you know how to locate new channels).

It's sad is all I am going to say.

 

[KimmelZhang123]

I work in the academic sector in the US. I see this first hand every day.

yeah, like lots of stupid, ridiculous emails... The unis are also kinda responsible too, they set the entry requirment lower and lower, only for more tuitions, meanwhile leting those no critical thinking red guards to demage academic freedom.

They also banned battle-royale type games as they don't comply with "cooperative socialist values" of China. They seem to be renewing their efforts and clamping down on media in general, VPNs also get shut down with increased frequency (not that it matters if you know how to locate new channels).

It's sad is all I am going to say.

Yeah, and it is just keep geting worse. Before Xi became the president, all those propaganda and brainwashing are generally ignorable, if a person in China doesn't care about politics and walk on its own way. But now, they are shovel all those nonsense to everyone's mouth.

 

[Draky]

Hope that Paradox can make the necessary changes to get this game back to the store

For one, China should have a core on Tibet, right now the situation is as silly as if Germany didnt have a core on Elsab-lorraine

 

[KimmelZhang123]

Hope that Paradox can make the necessary changes to get this game back to store

For one, China should have a core on Tibet, right now the situation is as silly as if Germany didnt have a core on Elsab-lorraine

The ties between ancient china and Tibet was weak, Tibet had full independency after Qing. Tibet was conquered by CCP, and there are tons of unrest even until now, adding chinese core in Tibet would be a terrible idea. And it is not like with Chinese core in Tibet, HOI4 would be allowed again by the Chinese authority, since according to the CCP version of history, CCP is the only saver of China, even an alternative history in a not so popular video game is not tolerable.

 

[Chema1994]

Considering that the PRC is one of the most restrictive dictatorships still in place that was to be expected.
In my opinion, the devs shouldn't make a propaganda version of the game to make it legal in the PRC. This isn't like removing Hitler's portrait, this would be rewriting history and that shouldn't be accepted at any cost.

 

[uishax]

Considering that the PRC is one of the most restrictive dictatorships still in place that was to be expected.
In my opinion, the devs shouldn't make a propaganda version of the game to make it legal in the PRC. This isn't like removing Hitler's portrait, this would be rewriting history and that shouldn't be accepted at any cost.

This is like providing a version to censors, a necessary price for free speech. Most Chinese have an awful understanding of modern history due to how bad the censorship is, even giving them a decently accurate map of the world in 1936 would be a huge improvement.

Most military games are focused on American protagonists, because Americans buy shooters the most. China is already the biggest market for PC games in the world, PUBG has caused a monumental shift in China in favor of steam games vs dodgy chinese/korean mmos. Thus, expect the PC gaming industry to start to accomodate Chinese gamers extremely rapidly, steam went from having like no Chinese to 95% having Chinese language support for big releases in 2 years.

Considering that the following expansion is named after China, it would be a shame if the Chinese can't buy it. Granted, Tencent may try to secure a censored version of HOI4 for their own platform (called Wegame), I think Paradox should agree to this, the market is massive, and securing a fanbase in it would dramatically expand the future market for Paradox games.