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You use the same map texture I do :D.
Good to see young Dovyiat has the adventuring spirit in him!
Yeah, it was the first image result for "old paper".

I hope the colonizing doesn't happen too early, and has some reasonable motives behind it. That's two things that bother me a lot: seeing more than one or two tiny one-province colonies in the 15C, and seeing no explanation for why people are moving to the colonies in AARs: is it religious escapism, like in the 13 colonies? What factors are pushing the state to colonize? These things are important, IMHO.
Other than the failed Icelandic attempts, colonizing is about where it should be, no worries.

IRRC most of Western Europe is thoroughly islamicized by then. Most of the other colonization was made by Prussia as far as we know. Maybe people were were escaping from both sides the Infinite War between Prussia et al and the caliphate taifas?
That you know of, I haven't really introduced everything yet. Plus there is an option everyone seems to be leaving out. ;)


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I am really enjoying the discussion, so I figure that answering your questions will hamper that. Speculate away! And thanks for the support. (Remember to vote, btw)
 
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Just to explore? Heck, that would be nice if a major discovery was done "just because".
 

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Just to explore? Heck, that would be nice if a major discovery was done "just because".
Seconded.
The main problem with that is that it is a very modern concept: exploration for the sake of exploration. But even today there is usually some reason behind it. Sailing to the new world was the XVI Century equivalent of sending men to the moon. It was expensive, dangerous and time consuming and no sane monarch would do it without a reason. A captain might suggest it for the hell of it and then back it with a bunch of good reasons to support his wanderlust, but in the end exploration requires motivation or it doesn't get funded.
 

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If it's a peaceful country with lots of wealth and small land, I could see it being "Well, we need the land, and we have no reason for an army..."
 

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If it's a peaceful country with lots of wealth and small land, I could see it being "Well, we need the land, and we have no reason for an army..."
I doubt there are many countries like that during a time period when 60% of the continent has been at war with the other 40% for almost 200 years now, on and off. ;)
 

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I was thinking more like Korea, or a trading port in Indochina. Or even the Ainu, if they can make the wealth, to escape the Japanese in the south.
 

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I was thinking more like Korea, or a trading port in Indochina. Or even the Ainu, if they can make the wealth, to escape the Japanese in the south.
Asia is not fairing much better. The Yuan practically devastated everything and are on the verge of falling apart into a bunch of bickering states.
 

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I was meaning to ask something relating to Yuan. Thank you for reminding me: What happened to China and India? Are they united In Modern times?
 

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I was meaning to ask something relating to Yuan. Thank you for reminding me: What happened to China and India? Are they united In Modern times?
No. China heavily resisted conversion to Hinduism, especially in the north. Southern China was large Hindu populations, but only a few provinces have Hindu majorities. So the two countries remain rather distant. Plus from the perspective of the Indians they were forcibly conquered by the Chinese (really the Mongols), so there was some animosity during the Middle Ages. India didn't even exist until the 1800s and China was under several different dynasties (including the Koreans for a while). But could you image a full third of the Earth's population under one state? Crazy.
 

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Chapter Forty Three: Woes of an Empire
Part 4


Prelude:
With the death of his major rival, and the subsequent breakup of the Zähringer lands, Peer Txomin bin Iñigo felt more secure about the Caliphate's future. But Caliph Ramon III Mohoma bin Abbas felt differently. He still feared France and Germany, and to a lesser extent Italy. Iberia was disjointed, four nations that were in no way similar: the Vasques of Navarre, the Christians of Leon, the Berbers of Portugal and the Istimari of Aragon. He had the loyalty of Navarre through the loyalty and friendship of Txomin, but next was to gain the loyalty of Leon. Leon had long held a special status with the Caliphate, but with the Christian population down to about a quarter of the total population of the region the Muslims living in Leon demanded an end to the Christian government. Peer Txomin was put in charge with converting Leon into essentially an extension of Aragon. It would put Caliph Ramon at the head of most of Iberia, especially when one would consider Navarre's loyalty to the crown. The Caliph felt that things were firmly in his grasp; he felt that his sons would inherit the title of Caliph. To him it was ensured that Barcelona would always be the seat of power in Western Europe. In the East, that was the hope. They found working with the Iberians far easier than working with the Germans. It was the hope of King Doyvát that Germany would be seriously crippled by the end of Zähringer domination of the region.

April 14th, 1369

Prince Doyvát was on his first foreign mission for his father. As Lord-Protector of Poland, he was the highest ranking noble other than his father. However, the King stressed to him that the important title to use was Prince of Prussia, the heir apparent to the greatest Christian Kingdom in the world. The young man thought this made sense, especially outside of the Kingdom where people would not likely understand the Prussian hierarchy. His first mission was to England, Prussia's ally in the West. His age seemed to cause quite a fuss in England, where they were expecting a senior diplomat. Doyvát the Younger was only fifteen at the time, hardly old enough to be considered an adult or a diplomat. But the young man had insisted he be allowed to go farther than the palace wall and his father consented.

"These shall be your chambers master David," a butler said. He opened the door to a small suite that had been prepared for the Prince's arrival. "I would suggest getting comfortable and once you are ready you can call for your servants and prepare for dinner."

"Thank you," Doyvát said. He stepped past the man and looked around the charming room. Through a window he could see the forests that England was famed for in Prussia. When he turned he found that the butler had closed the door and left. The Prince thought it rude, but gave it no further thought. He knew he was out gunned here, this was a learning experience, but it seemed that the English had actual plans and things to talk about. Instead, they were babysitting the bored son of a foreign King. He opened the door and called for his servants. Three of them entered with chests and put them down before opening them up and removing pieces of clothing for the Prince's dinner wear.

Dinner was a rather dull affair. Food was decent but few seemed interested in speaking to the young Prince. The room was filled with a sort of palpable animosity, which the English just kept to themselves. They spoke quietly and always in Enlgish or Anglo-Norman, making it hard for Doyvát to understand them, though he did manage to get a few words here and there. Afterwards the men gathered around a table with wine and the women dispersed around the room to talk in small groups of two or three. The Prince chose to stand near the men, despite there being very little recognition to him being present. They were talking about a possible invasion of Ireland, specifically seizing Mann and at least forming some sort of foothold on the Emerald Isle. Many debated that the best place was in Dublin, though other argued that Ulster or other lands closer to Mann and Scotland made more sense. What Doyvát could not concern was why anyone wanted to invade Ireland anyway. It seemed to almost be out of sport.

"Why is it that you would invade another Christian country with the only discernable reason being that you are bored?" Doyvát asked, his English much better than many expected.

"What do you mean, my Lord?" one of them asked.

"You speak of invading Ireland..."

"I meant, what do you mean there is no reason? They are the Irish; it is the duty of the English to resist Ireland and the spread of Revisionism at all costs," the same noble replied.

"Barbarians, they are. Torture and kill women, Norsers, Jews and Moormen with no concern for the law. It is only proper to crush them all," another answered.

"But you do about crushing them with the same glee you say they bring to the torture and rape of others, what makes you any different?" David asked.

"You think you sound wise, my lord, but you make many assumptions: that we use excessive force, or that we string up those who would normally do the stringing up. Prussia has been wise to avoid religious war - I shall grant them that - but it has made the all of you weak and unwilling to fight. We do not march on Ireland with pitchforks raised; we do so in an attempt to bring law to the Isles," the second noble replied, "Duke Edward Grey, Lord of Wales and Marshall of His Majesty's Armies. I've lived through Irish barbarism; let me tell you that you know nothing about the matter at hand... despite what your tutors might say." The introduction left a bitter taste in Doyvát's mouth but he swallowed his pride and took it as a lesson.

"I apologize if my words were uniformed," Doyvát managed.

The Marshal nodded and then stepped aside giving Doyvát room to join them at the table. "The problem is that seizing Mann would be much harder than one might think. Despite it being in a position that can easily be blockaded and starved, the main fortress on the island is one of the largest in Western Europe. Plus it is unlikely that Ireland will be on the defensive for long. While we try to sack Mann, they will invade Wales and likely provoke rebellions in Cornwall."

"Has Cornwall always been a problem?" Doyvát asked, causing several men to erupt into laughter.

"I think we can leave it at that," Edward said. "England is a precious thing, Master David. We defend it from all sorts of nefarious people who would rather anarchy than the rule of King William. There is a stubbornness in the Cornish that I admire, though their allegiances are poorly placed."

By the end of the night only Doyvát and Edward remained, still talking about a possible invasion of Ireland and Prussian support for such an adventure. "What would we do about Scotland?" Doyvát asked. "Wouldn't they side with Ireland?"

"Maybe, but they aren't particularly strong. We can either hold them off along the northern border, or push upwards. Quickly seize their capital and force them out of the war. With our claims against their throne, we might even be able to topple their monarchy and install one more loyal to us."

"That never works, look at Eastern Europe... they are all supposed to be loyal vassals of Prussia but you see how much good that has done," Doyvát replied.

"True. True. It has become rather late, Master David." Maybe you should stop by my estate outside of London before you leave to return to Prussia. It shouldn't be too hard to find." He shook hands with Doyvát before heading out on his own. The Prince smiled. Today had been rather successful, he thought.
 

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Just to clarify, I meant have China, and India unified into countries. Instead of warring states

Also there is North Korea. Is it best Korea?