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Yes, very good indeed! I've (dissolved...) The U S A and gave Canada to the French, Old Northwest, Old Southwest and gave the original 13 (colonies) to Greater Britannia. Oder than that... I need to update pops (as do you!) especially for Spanishe Amerikaaa....

But I did have them updated; I just had to scratch my work when I made too many mistakes granting a "Super" Poland. (Which was everything they had a tag on, among others...... :p ) But the super annoying parts of land switches and grants is done, just on another computer I would have to drive a whole 4 minutes to pick up! (Which I will do, if people are interested, very soon)

Well, great work, keep it up.... later haters :D


I feel so white and indigenous European around arrogant, chauvinistic Swedes :D :D :cool:


#Sorry! The link in Dark Knight's scenarios mainpage should bring you to the discussion page, not the download thread! Shame on you, Brit... :p
 
What's the recommended NTL patch to use with this?

fasquardon
 
G-Klav, I do not know how much you have updated this mod, but I have been working with it for about 2 weeks now. I was impressed by your event chains you had made for the early revolutionary period for the French. But you stopped after the Batavian Republic and The Cisalpine Republic.

I felt compelled to begin modding this outstanding work and began to research leaders, events and ways to limit the 400,000 man armies the Coalition allies began to field. I do believe I have found a way. :D

And as always it is logistics based. ;) Most amateur historians study the battles and sweeping movements while at the same time ignoring the logistics that those sweeping battles and movements required. Food. :D

That translates into the lexicon of Vicky into canned food. So I did some research and came up with these lil gems.

In 1800, Napoleon Bonaparte offered a 12,000 franc reward to anyone who could devise a method for the food preservation in order to provide his troops with daily rations in order to keep his armies adequately supplied while on the march. After years of experimentation, Appert submitted his invention and won the prize in 1809. The following year, Appert published L'Art de conserver les substances animales et végétales (or The Art of Preserving Animal and Vegetable Substances for Many Years). This was the first cookbook of its kind on modern food preservation methods.

Appert's method was so simple and workable, that it quickly became widespread. In 1810, fellow Frenchman Pierre Durand (also known by his English name Peter Durand) patented his own method, only this time, in a tin receptacle, thus creating the modern day process of canning foods. In 1812 Englishmen Donkin and Hall purchased both patents and began producing preserves. Merely one decade later, the Appert model of canning had emigrated to America. Tin can mass production was however not common until the beginning of the 20th century.

So based upon that data I have came up with the following ideas.

1. No canned food till invented in france in 1809, and highly limited in production effectiveness.

2. With the discovery France gets one canned food factory in 1809.

3. The UK gets a canned food factory in 1810.

4. The rest of Europe gets the tech in 1811.

5. The US gets one in 1822.

6. These are the ONLY canned food factories allowed! This is critical to prevent those 1 million man AI Armies and 1000 ship fleets that Vicky has the annoying tendency to produce.

7. Converting pops to soldiers now costs 20 clothes, 20 small arms and 20 canned food. It is WAY too easy to make soldiers in this era to be historical. So even the conversion of pops needs to be curtailed. All these changes are critical to limiting the armies in this period, and it makes events like Levee en Masse, which I have tweaked, all the more critical for its pop converting ability.

8. The cost of troops has also been increased. It has been way too easy to recruit new troops in Vicky, hence those humongous armies that should not be there.

I am in the process of making the events that gives the canned food factories to the powers that get them. But the changes to the pops and military units, along with the removal of the canned food factories has had an amazing affect on the size of the armies and the AI's willingness to waste troops now. :D


LEADERS;

The following leader list includes both admirals and generals. Boy it is fun to watch Napoleon and Davout rout the Austrians who outnumber them. :D

So far I have Nappy, Davout and Murat included and done. I also have pics of most of the leaders in case somebody wishes to make the new leader gfx for the mod.

FRENCH LEADERS

Francois Kellerman
French Marshal
Duc de Valmy
1735-1820

Charles Dumouriez
French General
(1739-1823)

Louis Desaix
French General
1768-1800

Pierre Augereau
French Marshal
Duc de Castiglione
1757-1816

Jean-Baptiste Bernadotte
French Marshal
King of Sweden
Prince de Ponte Corvo
1763-1844

Louis Alexander Berthier
French Marshal
Prince de Neuchatel & Wagram
1753-1815

Jean-Baptiste Bessieres
French Marshal
Duc de Istrie
1763-1813

Guillaume Brune
French Marshal
1763-1815

Gouvion St Cyr
French Marshal
Marquis de St Cyr
1764-1830

Emmanuel Grouchy
French Marshal
1766-1847

Jean-Baptiste Jourdan
French Marshal
1762-1833

Jean Lannes
French Marshal
Duc de Montebello
1769-1809

Francois Lefebvre
French Marshal
Duc de Danzig
1755-1820

Jacques Macdonald
French Marshal
Duc de Tarente
1765-1840

Auguste Marmont
French Marshal
Duc de Raguse
1774-1852

Andre Massena
French Marshal
Prince de Essling
Duc de Rivoli
1758-1817

Bon Adrien Moncey
French Marshal
Duc de Conegliano
1754-1842

Eduoard Mortier
French Marshal
Duc de Trevise
1768-1835

Joachim Murat
French Marshal
King of Naples
Grand Duke of Berg
1767-1815

Michel Ney
French Marshal
Prince de la Moscowa
Duc d'Elchingen
1769-1815

Nicolas Oudinot
French Marshal
Duc de Reggio
1767-1847

Dominique Perignon
French Marshal
Marquis de Perignon
1754-1818

Josef Poniatowski
French Marshal
Polish Prince
1763-1813

Jean Serurier
French Marshal
1742-1819

Nicolas Soult
French Marshal
Duc de Dalmatie
1769-1851

Louis Suchet
French Marshal
Duc d'Albuera
1770-1826

Claude Victor
French Marshal
Duc de Bellune
1764-1841

Adam Custine
French General
1740-1793

Francois-Paul Brueys D'Aigalliers
French Admiral
1753-1798

Pierre-Charles Villeneuve
French Admiral
1763-1806

Charles-René Magon
Duc de Medine
French Admiral
1763-1805


AUSTRIAN LEADERS

Archduke Charles
Archduke of Austria
1771-1847

Karl Mack
Austrian General
1752-1828

Karl Schwarzenberg
Austrian Field Marshal
1771-1820

Dagobert Wurmser
Austrian General
1724-1797

Peter Quasdanovich
Austrian General
(1738-1802)

Michael Melas
Austrian General
1729-1806

Josef Alvintzy
Austrian General
1735-1810

Michael Colli
Piedmontese General

Archduke John
Archduke of Austria
1782-1859


BRITISH LEADERS

Arthur Wellesley
Duke of Wellington, General and British Prime Minister,
1769-1852

Robert Craufurd
British General
1764-1812

Sir Thomas Graham
British General
Viceroy of Italy
1748 -1843

Henry William Paget
Lord Uxbridge
Marquess of Anglesey
1768 -1854

Sir Rowland Hill
British General
Viscount Hill
1772 -1842

Sir William Beresford
British General
Viscount of Albuera
1768-1854

Sir Isaac Brock
British General
1769-1812

Stapleton Cotton
British General
Viscount Combermere,
(1773-1865)

Sir Thomas Picton
British General
1758 -1815

Sir John Moore
British General
(1761-1809)

William, Prince of Orange
British General
King William II of the Netherlands
1792 -1849

Sir Edward Pakenham
British General
1778 -1815

John Gaspard Le Marchant
British General
1766-1812

Horatio Nelson
British Admiral
1758-1805

Cuthbert Collingwood
British Admiral
1750-1810

Sir William Sidney Smith
British Admiral
1764-1840

Richard Howe
British Admiral
1726-1799

Sir Edward Pellew
British Admiral,
Viscount Exmouth,
1757-1833

Thomas Cochrane
British Admiral
10th Earl of Dundonald
1775-1860

Adam Duncan
British Admiral
1st Viscount Camperdown
1731-1804

Sir Hyde Parker
British Admiral - indecisive
1739-1807

William Carnegie
7th Earl of Northesk
1756-1831


PRUSSIAN LEADERS

Gebhard von Blucher
Field Marshal of Prussia
1742-1819

Augustus von Gneisenau
Prussian General
Viceroy of Italy
1760 -1831

Gerhard von Scharnhorst
Prussian General
1755 -1813

Friederich von Bulow
Prussian General
1755-1816

Friederich Kleist
Prussian General
1762-1823

Friedrich Hohenloe
Prussian General
1746-1818


RUSSIAN LEADERS

Alexander Suvarov
Russian General
1729 -1800

Mikhail Kutusov
Russian General
1745-1813

Peter Bagration
Russian General
1765-1812

Mikhail Barclay de Tolly
Russian General
1761-1818

Mikhail Miloradovich
Russian General
1770-1825

Matvei Platov
Cossack General
1751 -1818

Ferdinand Wintzingerode
Russian General
1770 -1818

Ludwig Wittgenstein
Russian General
1769 -1843


AMERICAN GENERALS

Andrew Jackson
American General
7th US President
1767-1845

William Hull
American General
1753-1825

Henry Dearborn
American General
1751-1829

Winfield Scott
American General
1786-1866

Oliver Hazard Perry
American Admiral
1785-1819


SPANISH LEADERS

Jose de Palafox y Melzi
Spanish General
1776 - 1847

Francisco Castanos
Spanish General
1756 - 1852

Gregorio de la Cuesta
Spanish General
1740 - 1812

Joachim Blake
Spanish General
1759 - 1827

Don Carlos Gravina
Spanish Admiral
1756 - 1806

Don Maria de Alava
Spanish General
1770 - 1843

Don Hidalgo Cisneros
Spanish Admiral
1753 - 1848

Ignacio María de Álava y Navarrete
Spanish Admiral
1750 - 1817

Antonio de Escaño
Spanish Admiral
1750 - 1814


OTTOMAN LEADERS

Murad Bey
Mameluke leader
(1750 - 1801)

Ibrahim Bey
Mameluke Bey
(1735 - 1817)

Cezzar Ahmet Pasha
Syrian Pasha - also known Djezzar, which translates as Butcher
(1708 - 1804)

Mehmet Ali Pasha
Ottoman General
1769-1849

Mustafa Bayrakdar
Ottoman General
1775-1808

DUTCH LEADERS

Jan de Winter
Dutch Admiral



If you are interested in my help, I have quite a few ideas for the nations, including the Ottomans. :D




Cheers, Thorgrimm
 
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As an update I have adjusted all the army strengths for the mod, the Austrians had 150,000 troops on the French border!!!!!!. Hell the largest army to invade France in 1792 was 80,000 under the Duke of Brunswick and only 30,000 were Austrian, 40,000 Prussian and 10,000 minor German states.

The pops for Austria have been adjusted as has the literacy rate. Now the research, manpower and leadership rates are inline with what was historical for the period.

And after intensively reading the gfx forums I have come to the conclusion that I will have to do the leader and general pics for the mod. below is my first attempt. :D I have posted a screenie of Davout in game and the pic I made it from. For a quick test I just replaced generic21 general as I knew Scott used that pic, so those are not Davout's traits. Be kind in your comments. ;) :rofl:

Davout.gif


davout.jpg




Cheers, Thorgrimm
 
Looking cool Thorgrimm.

fasquardon
 
Thorgrimm said:
G-Klav, I do not know how much you have updated this mod, but I have been working with it for about 2 weeks now. I was impressed by your event chains you had made for the early revolutionary period for the French. But you stopped after the Batavian Republic and The Cisalpine Republic.

I felt compelled to begin modding this outstanding work and began to research leaders, events and ways to limit the 400,000 man armies the Coalition allies began to field. I do believe I have found a way. :D

And as always it is logistics based. ;) Most amateur historians study the battles and sweeping movements while at the same time ignoring the logistics that those sweeping battles and movements required. Food. :D

That translates into the lexicon of Vicky into canned food. So I did some research and came up with these lil gems.

In 1800, Napoleon Bonaparte offered a 12,000 franc reward to anyone who could devise a method for the food preservation in order to provide his troops with daily rations in order to keep his armies adequately supplied while on the march. After years of experimentation, Appert submitted his invention and won the prize in 1809. The following year, Appert published L'Art de conserver les substances animales et végétales (or The Art of Preserving Animal and Vegetable Substances for Many Years). This was the first cookbook of its kind on modern food preservation methods.

Appert's method was so simple and workable, that it quickly became widespread. In 1810, fellow Frenchman Pierre Durand (also known by his English name Peter Durand) patented his own method, only this time, in a tin receptacle, thus creating the modern day process of canning foods. In 1812 Englishmen Donkin and Hall purchased both patents and began producing preserves. Merely one decade later, the Appert model of canning had emigrated to America. Tin can mass production was however not common until the beginning of the 20th century.

So based upon that data I have came up with the following ideas.

1. No canned food till invented in france in 1809, and highly limited in production effectiveness.

2. With the discovery France gets one canned food factory in 1809.

3. The UK gets a canned food factory in 1810.

4. The rest of Europe gets the tech in 1811.

5. The US gets one in 1822.

6. These are the ONLY canned food factories allowed! This is critical to prevent those 1 million man AI Armies and 1000 ship fleets that Vicky has the annoying tendency to produce.

7. Converting pops to soldiers now costs 20 clothes, 20 small arms and 20 canned food. It is WAY too easy to make soldiers in this era to be historical. So even the conversion of pops needs to be curtailed. All these changes are critical to limiting the armies in this period, and it makes events like Levee en Masse, which I have tweaked, all the more critical for its pop converting ability.

8. The cost of troops has also been increased. It has been way too easy to recruit new troops in Vicky, hence those humongous armies that should not be there.

I am in the process of making the events that gives the canned food factories to the powers that get them. But the changes to the pops and military units, along with the removal of the canned food factories has had an amazing affect on the size of the armies and the AI's willingness to waste troops now. :D
Click to expand...

Great ideas for this mod, Thorgrimm! :)
Looks like it would need quite a lot of playtesting, though. Anyway, this is not the right place for discussions.
 
Can someone please link me to the discussion of this fine, particular mod? I made it compatible with V:R and your vanilla Vicky installation.
 
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