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*looks oddly at the Asian map*

Do my eyes deceive me? Is that a...-gasp-...DEMOCRATIC CHINA?! Not a nazi/stalinist dictatorship?

...my, this is quite the surprise. Normally, the China is either Super Nationalist China or Super Stalin China..hmm..

But this begs the question: Where are said nazis & commies?
 
WOW, just WOW. This is the most original idea on HoI2 mods.
This rose to my waiting list to the top, and i have high hopes for this.
I hope you'll get a lot of support.I'd love to see those proxywars by the European powers, still in the New Imperialism era. 19th centurys end in 30's europe, i love your idea. Also Ottomans should have collapsed, because of the nationalism taht rose there.
 
here's you dutch patriotic pain in the ass again ;) maybe those nationalistic dutch guys can take revanche for 1830 (belgian uprising) and wanting the stollen colonies back like colombo, cape province. they would strongly allie with the germans because of the anit british feelings because of the boerwars (boer were/are dutch speaking settlers in SAF) and the queen wilhelmina was send as an child to her uncly "willi" in germany
 
General_Grant said:
For Austria, im still thinking about it. This is not 1848, the Augleisch renegotiations of 1917 went well under the leadership of a more open minded Franz Ferdinand, and 1927 finished to shape A-H on a federal structure. Im still strangely attached to this flag and to the 'Austria-Hungary' name for the nice white blob.
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@Kabraloth: im divided about Austria. What to do? Ihave already explained my ideas of a 'federalist' A-H, i think it would be enough to calm the minoritis at least until 1947, at a point the game would maybe loose it sense as it alway do in HoI :D
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Yes well, I can make a pretty good point about why it would not happen (as for one, Franz Fedinand was not more open minded, he was considered to be pretty anti-Hungarian and half of the upper Hungarian bureocracy already had written their retirement notes for when he would become emperor).
It's ultimately your mod, however. If you don't want to hear or would disregard why I think an Austria-Hungary in the 1867s form is unthinkable in the 1930s, then I won't type it out.

Although I will link to prior discussions of this here and here. And now I will shut up about this.

By the way, I must congratulate you to the Obrenovic POD. It's a pretty rare one.
 
United States of Greater Austria

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@cegorach: thank you for those clarifications. I'll give a 20 dissent at the begining to Congress Poland, and maybe some events to keep it hight trough the game. This country don't use the 'POL' tag, a 'greater Poland' can be created.

@Faeelin: read carefully. There where no WWI. America did not sold anything to Europe at the rate it did during the war. It never beneficiated the post war boost. So its a little bit weaker, but it still begin with the most powerfull economy in the world.

@yourworstnightm: I have said all than i had to said about the Balkans, and its very near from your ideas.

Yes i was planning a belligerant France, being hostile to Germany and even to Britain. France 1936 in this timeline will be like Germany 1933: a complete mess ready for an extreme governement. A third Empire may rise from the ashes of the third republic, as it happened in the 1800'. Belgium will likely be the first target to France, wich may choose to split it with the Netherlands or to keep it for itself. Luxembourg will probably disapear quickly. In Spain, France could trade Catalonia (supporting a republic, hostile toward the monarchy in Madrid) for a complete support against the revolutionaries and an alliance.


@IndoEsia45: I tough they where bmp, i simply uploaded normal minister pictures. Im not an expert about it, but the pictures you recolored are really nice, and will be used. Thanks :)

@clanjay1989: Messing up with the warlords would be a real pain: finding obscurs Chinese generals for those countries than are there to be annexed by a central authority is a thing i won't made in the first versions. The 'Republic of China' use this flag because the White Sun was the emblem of the KMT, and this China is multipartist. Its more democratic than 'nationalist'. A warlord have been 'added' in Anhui: in fact its owned with Guanxi Clique, and have Guanxi troops in it. But the results are the same.

@Nietzsche: Poor China!! :( do it alway have to be doomed with despotic and mean governement? Can the son of Sun Yatsen himself have it chance to build a decent governement for his country?.. :)

There are no fascist, only despotic monarchies to replace it. And no communists (well no country start with that ideology).


@Searry: Thanks for your moral support. :)

For the Ottomans, there is a chance for them to collaspe but i want to give the player a chance to hold that empire together.


@Dutch Rommel: Ahem. What to say. I was not planning the Germans to fight the British to tell you the truth- a resurgeant France may be the best ally for the Netherlands, wich may trade its full independence in exchange of Belgian Flanders and protection (French satellite? :p )


@Kabraloth: I did not wanted to insult you by keeping my origial ideas... but... the internal organisation of a state is not something we can represent very well in HoI2, you know. And i'd really like to keep that flag... this federalist A-H can be considerated as the 'United States of Central Europe' or whatever, this will have little impact. But to show this reality i'll add some Czech, Croatian, Hungarian, etc. ministers in the cabinet. :)
 
IndoEsia45 said:
And this is maybe dumb question, but why the Chinese President is not Pu-Yi, or maybe Feng Yuicang ?
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Pu-Yi wasnt a republican :rofl:

Who is Feng Yuicang?



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Okay everyone soon im going to beging the events, but before i need to set the 'normal' alliances than will usually be created during the war.

I was thinking about:

GER, AUS, ENG, OTT,

VS

FRA, RUS, JAP, ITA...

Im a bit worried about the balance and the playability of the things: France would be smashed by the combined forces of Germany and the UK...
On the other hand, i don't want an exact reproduction of WWI and thats why alliances need to be different.
But Germany have to be with A-H and France have to be with Russia.
 
General_Grant said:
Pu-Yi wasnt a republican :rofl:

Who is Feng Yuicang?



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Okay everyone soon im going to beging the events, but before i need to set the 'normal' alliances than will usually be created during the war.

I was thinking about:

GER, AUS, ENG, OTT,

VS

FRA, RUS, JAP, ITA...

Im a bit worried about the balance and the playability of the things: France would be smashed by the combined forces of Germany and the UK...
On the other hand, i don't want an exact reproduction of WWI and thats why alliances need to be different.
But Germany have to be with A-H and France have to be with Russia.
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hm...

GER, ENG, JAP

vs

FRA, RUS, ITA, (possibly) AUS

I think the Ottoman's allegiance should be determined by whos' winning. They're in far too weak of a position to screw up, so they wait it out and join whoever's wining.
 
Hmm, Austria- Hungary could team up with France to humiliate germany (if the germans are pressing for an anschluss like solution). However Italy should allways be on the opposite side of Austria (archenemies). What about a german- austria alliance versus a french- italian- russian alliance in the beginning. Then when the french alliance seems to win the third alliance (UK, Commonwealth, Japan) decide to intervene. Ottomans would probably only intervene on the winning side in hope of restoring some prestige. Of course the ottomans could be involved in the Balkan mess too, if megalist Greece seems to be able to crush Bulgaria the Ottomans could intervene to stop megalism from spreading further. The Ottomans is more like a HUGE minor than a major I think.
 
@Nietzsche, yourworstnightm: Im very reluctant to make Austria side with Russia and France... Germany's positions would be unbeleivably hard: France would be more powerfull than in our timeline, Russian IC a bit superior to Germany's, manpower far better. Allied with Austria, Germany can hold that two front war. A war with Austria would be the last thing to do... and im not sure an even more powerfull Russia is something the Habsburg would like.

If Austria-Hungary side with France and Russia, its gonna be a certain defeat for Germany.

As Italy have to be against Austria, it only balance its position and remove some presure to the Russians.


The UK and Japan would probably screw up the balance if entering the war together against someone. I was thinking than Japan would side with France against Germany and the UK...

The British siding with the French and the Russians against Japan and Germany would be an huge déja vu.


I did not tough about adding a third alliance, im still not sure about it.




I had some ideas regarding minors in the war:

Sweden would probably side with Germany, if Wilhelm offers the Swedes Finland. Romania would have the choice: siding with Russia in exchange of Transylvania in a victory, or with Austria in exchange of Bessarabia in a victory. Siding with Russia the Romanians would have more to gain, but it would be a very difficult war.

I don't see Serbia joining a war where there is nothing to gain, Austria is friendly toward it. Maybe it it loosed territories to Bulgaria it would like to have it back.

Greek and Bulgarian choices will depend of the outcomes of the Balkanic wars in the early game... thats gonna be a pain to script.


Ottoman siding with a winner is a good idea, for exemple if Russia hold Galicia and Prussia, and France still control its northern provinces it may join the war on their side... if Germany control Poland and Northern France it may join that side...
 
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General_Grant said:
@Faeelin: read carefully. There where no WWI. America did not sold anything to Europe at the rate it did during the war. It never beneficiated the post war boost. So its a little bit weaker, but it still begin with the most powerfull economy in the world.
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I'm aware there's no WWI. The war was not the boon you make it out to be.

First of all, there's the fact that thousands of Americans died in the war; that the blockade of Europe hindered trade with the Central Powers and cut off immigration; that there was a run on gold in America in the first year of the war, causing a brief recession; that there was another recession immediately after the war, as industry tried readjusting; that the increase in protectionist tariffs, the impoverishment of Europe, and so forth weakened international trade.

America may be relatively weaker, but the notion that it's absolutely weaker is pretty dubious.
 
About Austria-Hungary, you can rename it Austria, if it is federalised.
 
General_Grant said:
@Nietzsche, yourworstnightm: Im very reluctant to make Austria side with Russia and France... Germany's positions would be unbeleivably hard: France would be more powerfull than in our timeline, Russian IC a bit superior to Germany's, manpower far better. Allied with Austria, Germany can hold that two front war. A war with Austria would be the last thing to do... and im not sure an even more powerfull Russia is something the Habsburg would like.

If Austria-Hungary side with France and Russia, its gonna be a certain defeat for Germany.

As Italy have to be against Austria, it only balance its position and remove some presure to the Russians.


The UK and Japan would probably screw up the balance if entering the war together against someone. I was thinking than Japan would side with France against Germany and the UK...

The British siding with the French and the Russians against Japan and Germany would be an huge déja vu.


I did not tough about adding a third alliance, im still not sure about it.




I had some ideas regarding minors in the war:

Sweden would probably side with Germany, if Wilhelm offers the Swedes Finland. Romania would have the choice: siding with Russia in exchange of Transylvania in a victory, or with Austria in exchange of Bessarabia in a victory. Siding with Russia the Romanians would have more to gain, but it would be a very difficult war.

I don't see Serbia joining a war where there is nothing to gain, Austria is friendly toward it. Maybe it it loosed territories to Bulgaria it would like to have it back.

Greek and Bulgarian choices will depend of the outcomes of the Balkanic wars in the early game... thats gonna be a pain to script.


Ottoman siding with a winner is a good idea, for exemple if Russia hold Galicia and Prussia, and France still control its northern provinces it may join the war on their side... if Germany control Poland and Northern France it may join that side...
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Agreeing with Germany/Austria versus France, Russia, Italy. Japan however should be in the opposite alliance of Russia, since I think Russia would be Japan's greatest rival east. UK could be extremely isolationist, perhaps even a nation struggling between the dominant forces in the government and the socialist trade unions of the working class. Also nationalis resistance in India and Ireland would be important factors for UK not to enter any major conflicts early on.
Japan siding with Germany is of course very like vanilla, also german colonies in the pacific make things a little hard. Japan could perhaps drive a indepndent policy and join the side they would gain most from. (Pressure Germany to "sell" colonies for alliance for example).

On France and a possible creation of the third Empire; in 1936 the claimant Prince Louis Napoleon (Napoleon VI) is only 22 years old. Not very likely. Other claimants would be the descendants of the french monarchy. The legitimist claimant was king Alfonso XIII of Spain, not valiable choice either. The Orleanist claimants however was Jean d'Orleans (Jean III) who would be 62 years old in 1936 (died 1940) and his son Henri (Henri VI) who was 28 years old in 1936.
 
i don't think the dutch had forgiven te french and british for the intervention of the 10 daagse veldtocht ( the counteroffensive agains the belgian rebels) the french treatend to aid the belgians if the dutch didn't retreat, and the queen a stubern nationalist of wich is know she wanted to be an geat stateswoman like her ancestors so they'll never selling them selfs uit to those "snale snatchers" :p (sorry to every french i offend) i think they seek protection by uncle willli so a non aggresionpact with germany is more realistic and germany would sertain garanty the indendance of holland. maybe they can start some problems of their own with britain or france, but hey its your mod you can do what you want
 
General_Grant said:
@Nietzsche, yourworstnightm: Im very reluctant to make Austria side with Russia and France... Germany's positions would be unbeleivably hard: France would be more powerfull than in our timeline, Russian IC a bit superior to Germany's, manpower far better. Allied with Austria, Germany can hold that two front war. A war with Austria would be the last thing to do... and im not sure an even more powerfull Russia is something the Habsburg would like.

If Austria-Hungary side with France and Russia, its gonna be a certain defeat for Germany.

As Italy have to be against Austria, it only balance its position and remove some presure to the Russians.


The UK and Japan would probably screw up the balance if entering the war together against someone. I was thinking than Japan would side with France against Germany and the UK...

The British siding with the French and the Russians against Japan and Germany would be an huge déja vu.


I did not tough about adding a third alliance, im still not sure about it.




I had some ideas regarding minors in the war:

Sweden would probably side with Germany, if Wilhelm offers the Swedes Finland. Romania would have the choice: siding with Russia in exchange of Transylvania in a victory, or with Austria in exchange of Bessarabia in a victory. Siding with Russia the Romanians would have more to gain, but it would be a very difficult war.

I don't see Serbia joining a war where there is nothing to gain, Austria is friendly toward it. Maybe it it loosed territories to Bulgaria it would like to have it back.

Greek and Bulgarian choices will depend of the outcomes of the Balkanic wars in the early game... thats gonna be a pain to script.


Ottoman siding with a winner is a good idea, for exemple if Russia hold Galicia and Prussia, and France still control its northern provinces it may join the war on their side... if Germany control Poland and Northern France it may join that side...
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Ehh...Japan has an obligation to ally with the UK. Why? The Anglo-Japanese Alliance.

That, and an 'Axis' of the UK/GER/JAP is far more interesting. You've got more diverse fronts.
 
In my opinion the alliances should be

Axis
Germany, Austria-Hungary and maybe one of the british dominions??? Like Canada?
The USA could be asked to join in the later stages of the war.

Allies
France Russia and maybe Japan to add a threat to neutral England's colonies.
They could try to bully England into their alliance.
 
Dudddddddddddddd!!!!!!!!!!

:cool: this is sooooo my mod, can u plz give me a link to download this at, and some instructions............ :cool:
 
@Faeelin: USA have 265 base ICs do you really need more? :confused:

@yourworstnightm: Finally its likely than its gonna be France, Russia, Italy and maybe Spain against Germany, Austria, UK and maybe Sweden.

The Ottomans (if they survive the 1936-1939 period), and Japan will have the choice.

The fronts are going to be: Western Front, Eastern Front, several small African fronts, Balkanic fronts depending of the alliances in place, an Indian front (Russia will likely invade Afghanistan to reach British India at the begining of the war), and Asian/Pacific fronts dependening of what Japan will choose.

@Dutch Rommel: no offences, but you should consider making a 'fascist Netherlands' or whatever mod yourself instead of alway asking to integrate that in other's mod. Netherlands will remain unchanged.

@Nietzsche: UK/AUS/GER/JAP... i like it. As said up there will be a chance to Japan to join any side. But it may have interest into the Russian far east and French Indochina...

@Fgorginator: Its definitivly not in my idea to divide the Commonwhealt, British Dominions even begins as puppets of the Empire. As said twice up Japan will have to choose a side.

@J the STUD: Its still in construction, nothing can be downloaded yet.
 
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