3 day siege phase for Ottos, really?

[FrogCrusher]

First, to clarify, it is not a rant thread nor a complain.
I just had a game where Ottos stacks all the possible modifier for siege ability so soon in the game: era bonus, offensive and innovative/offensive policy. As the game is in 1.24 (it would be the same in 1.30 as these siege ability bonus haven't changed since then), reform doesn't spawn yet and it's beginning to be a little bit too long to handle that XD
I didn't have time to pause the game, Mameluks capital was already taken

But PDX games are balanced, yeah

 

[KRBLACK]

You have discovered the very reason why discipline is overrated.

Stack 90% siege ability and you will capture forts before any battle can take place.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

You have discovered the very reason why discipline is overrated.

Stack 90% siege ability and you will capture forts before any battle can take place.

You need to be pretty late game to have access to this, and even then requires investment into things that are impractical (religious, innovative, 100% professionalism). Ottomans are given TAG magic to do this early on. Might as well have a powerful mage in Anbennar casting siege golem.

Very fast sieges are useful for winning wars, but in SP we're using waiting out coring no? I guess if you wanted to all-in blitz nations and just make vassals to cap a non-one tag WC this would be very valuable, however.

 

[atwix]

And here I thought the minimum was 4 days..

 

[FrogCrusher]

requires investment into things that are impractical (religious, innovative, 100% professionalism).

You forgot military hegemon

 

[TheMeInTeam]

You forgot military hegemon

That I did! It's easy to forget hegemon stuff since it tends to actively hurt its stated intention as a mechanic.

 

[Less2]

And here I thought the minimum was 4 days..

Pretty sure the minimum is 1 day.

 

[newtlord]

Pretty sure the minimum is 1 day.

It's a shame you can't bring it to negative days, and have it become your territory before your armies arrive. (If you can bring it negative enough, it becomes your territory before you give the move order, or before the war starts. On the other hand, the Aggressive Expansion you get from violating causality is sometimes hard to deal with.)

 

[Beagá]

If the nazis had the Guns of Orban they would have won World War 2.

 

[VivaStPauli]

I found a historically accurate picture of "the Guns of Urban".

 

[Travis_Bickle]

I believe it's because you're in the Age of Discovery and they have that Guns of Urban modifier.

But seriously, as someone else mentioned, siege ability is arguably the most important aspect of your military. If you siege forts faster than your enemy you don't need to take a battle, thus saving money and manpower and even if one of your own forts falls, as long as you put a unit on it before the month tick there will be low garrison and you'll have it back within two months max or even instantly if you're willing to breach and assault.

 

[Cancerofthehead]

I believe it's because you're in the Age of Discovery and they have that Guns of Urban modifier.

But seriously, as someone else mentioned, siege ability is arguably the most important aspect of your military. If you siege forts faster than your enemy you don't need to take a battle, thus saving money and manpower and even if one of your own forts falls, as long as you put a unit on it before the month tick there will be low garrison and you'll have it back within two months max or even instantly if you're willing to breach and assault.

Not just avoiding battles, it particularly helps avoid taking bad fights. The vast majority of the times I take a bad fight is because of a defensive terrain Fort. The less time you are sitting on a fort the less likely the enemy is to get their army there.

 

[FrogCrusher]

I believe it's because you're in the Age of Discovery and they have that Guns of Urban modifier.

Yes I know, it is written in my OP. The thread is more a meme than anything else

 

[Xetfield]

Well, I guess too strong Reform desire growth from 1.30 was implemented to nerf this

 

[Travis_Bickle]

Not just avoiding battles, it particularly helps avoid taking bad fights. The vast majority of the times I take a bad fight is because of a defensive terrain Fort. The less time you are sitting on a fort the less likely the enemy is to get their army there.

Yeap, very good point. Your army is at its most vulnerable when you are sieging say a hill or mountain fort and the AI decides to attack. Even if you win the battle, it is inevitable you will lose a lot of men.

Yes I know, it is written in my OP. The thread is more a meme than anything else

Ah sorry, replied late for me and didn't read it all.

 

[gougluinn]

even that 33% modifier can not let ottomans to conquer mamluks before 1700s in the game. emperor selim I (who conquered whole mamluks in a single war) was a great man and only ruled 7 years before his playboy son suleiman I took the throne though.

 

[Travis_Bickle]

even that 33% modifier can not let ottomans to conquer mamluks before 1700s in the game. emperor selim I (who conquered whole mamluks in a single war) was a great man and only ruled 7 years before his playboy son suleiman I took the throne though.

What do you mean? I've wrecked the Mamluks before 1500. I take one province from AQ to release Syria then reconquest + take Palestine in every first war vs Mamluks as the Ottomans. Yeah it's not a total conquering but EU4 doesn't allow for those kind of mechanics.

 

[Battlex]

even that 33% modifier can not let ottomans to conquer mamluks before 1700s in the game. emperor selim I (who conquered whole mamluks in a single war) was a great man and only ruled 7 years before his playboy son suleiman I took the throne though.

There is a way, but you need to attack Cyprus and White peace between wars.
Egypt revolted as soon as suleiman rose to the throne, so we don't exactly want the historical outcome

 

[EarlKonrad]

First, to clarify, it is not a rant thread nor a complain.
I just had a game where Ottos stacks all the possible modifier for siege ability so soon in the game: era bonus, offensive and innovative/offensive policy. As the game is in 1.24 (it would be the same in 1.30 as these siege ability bonus haven't changed since then), reform doesn't spawn yet and it's beginning to be a little bit too long to handle that XD
I didn't have time to pause the game, Mameluks capital was already taken View attachment 687148But PDX games are balanced, yeah
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And that is why you want Age of Discovery to be over ASAP. Guns of Urban Is really good.

Yes, I know you are Mam and can't influence if/when Reformation spawns.

 

[FrogCrusher]

And that is why you want Age of Discovery to be over ASAP. Guns of Urban Is really good.

Yes, I know you are Mam and can't influence if/when Reformation spawns.

I'm not Mam, I'm Ormuz. Mam was my ally