Europa Universalis IV - Development Diary 20th of September 2022 - Post Release & Norse Easter Egg

[currylambchop]

They should probably add Suomenskuo and Romuva religions instead of animism.

I agree that would be the best case but it's unlikely to happen at least until the next major content patch

 

[Aldaron]

I was wary against including norse paganism because I feared you would make it too easy, but this seems rather nice and flavourful. I like that there is some consequences. Would be cool if the christian neighbours reacted to this reversion with outrage too.

I understand the reasoning of not having norse colonies in Greenland, but in a way you could argue that whoever led that colony at some point could have had a crisis of faith just like the swedish king in your example here. I'm fine with it either way.

I do wonder though why exactly Bergslagen has to be owned? There are many runestones all over Scandinavia. Is the one in Bergslagen very significant? Just seem kinda tilted in Sweden's favour.

Trollkyrka - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So far is the closest to surviving Norse rituals that we know off.

 

[Pavía]

Hello there! Thanks again for your comments and feedback, it is very appreciated. We've been busy in the last week with the release of the 1.34.3 patch, so we've not been able to make a proper answer to the DD, although thanks to @Ryagi for keeping the fort while away!

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Are there any plans for adding content to the Animist faith?

Not at this moment.

Hey Pavia,

Thanks for the great release. It's been a lot of fun. My personal MVP have been all the new government reforms. (and the change to courthouses)

A thought: can't we use the Pause in dev diaries to create community engagement without requiring too much effort on the dev teams behalve?

Specifically, it would be great to have some kind of "We're thinking about changing mechanic X, what does the community propose?", for example about the new centralize state government reform, changes in ideasets, ...

Wouldn't be too much effort on your behalf. Engages the community and creates forum activity. You get input on things you're actually working on. Seems like a win-win-win to me.

This is something we're thinking about, although it's early to advance anything on this topic. Suggestions about possible topics would be appreciated, nonetheless.

I'm interested that you found Iceland too Christian in history, considering there were tales well into the 19th century of people keeping the old faith, engaging in seið and holding blóts.

Tbh, I'm also somewhat appalled that you didn't add a separate Icelandic and Faroese mission tree but then again, you can't have it all.

The 19th century is the period of Romanticist nationalism where people were reaching to things from pre-Christian times as a source of distinct identity. A lot of information was exaggerated to be shown as examples of continuity (IE: Germany's Kontinuitätshypothese), created out of whole cloth, or taken out of context, such as galdrastafir. Now I don't know what specific accounts and interpretations you're talking about, but I am just saying that I would take anything from the 19th century with a grain of salt with regard to claims of pagan continuity.

It's good the Greenland option is commented out, it wouldn't make sense at all based on the history. Norse Greenland was pretty much heavily Christianized for 99% of the settlements' existence (Leif Erikson was, purportedly, a devout Christian and missionary for example), the Church was a major power and influence there for centuries, and the mainstay of Greenland's economy, walrus ivory, was closely associated with Christianity as much of that ivory was used for religious art. Our last record from Norse Greenland was even that of a marriage held at a church in the early 1400s. No one would've remembered anything about some "old ways."

In fact, when Scandinavians started exploring Greenland again and seeking remnants of the old Greenland colony (in the 1700s I think), it was partly done out of concern that these hypothetical Greenlanders were still Catholic, and the now Protestant Scandinavians wanted to convert them to the "right" form of Christianity.

Here's an alternative suggestion:

Most of what we know about modern Norse myths comes from the writings of Icelandic Poet Snorri Snorrelson (not sure if I got the spelling right), who was writing in I believe the 1400's, with the main goal of trying to foster a shared sense of scandinavian culture to foster better political ties between iceland and the mainland, but the secondary goal of preserving legends that were getting lost to time.

Similar to how in CK2 you have the option to read the hellenic classic and return to greek paganism, perhaps an option to go norse could be the following-
-play as iceland
-embraced the renaissance (a renewed look into classical works of the pagan era)
-employ a philosopher or artist

Maybe this unlocks a decision for the ruler of the nation to convert to norse. This wouldn't be too overpowered, as you would still have to convert your provinces from Catholicism to Norse, while still being Icleand which is one of the weakest nations and will have a very hard time fighting off annexation.

Alternatively, perhaps you could tie it into the reformation mechanic. The Catholic Church has gotten so corrupt that people are now shopping for alternative religions, that some even think going back to Norse would be the right call. I say this because it would jive well with the religious wars mechaninc in that era, but also because the idea of having a Norse center of reformation would be hilarious.

Also maybe for enhanced flavor there could be a Norse Runestones monument somewhere on the map to give bonuses to Norse nations. What I defintely think you should add though is the ability for norse nations to raid coasts. I mean it's pretty obvious, what with the viking thing. It'd buff the religion seriously making it a lot more fun to play, and add a lot of historical roleplaying. On that note- maybe another path could be you are playing as Pirate Republic Gotland, and during the Age of Reformation, if you elect a ruler that is crazy enough, they manage to convert to Norse. This makes a bit more sense since pirates tend to be a crazier bunch, and don't have the strongest ties with the Catholic Church to begin with.

Also while discussing paganism- a quick fix if you would to random new worlds. Random New Worlds don't include any of the new monuments added, which seriously nerfs any tags playing in them, as well as making colonization less interesting. I'm sure you guys can quickly code in monuments to be set to spawn in certain types of regions, maybe with random development levels too.

Yeah, this was also a controversial topic among the dev team, as we really tried to think about a way of opening this historical fantasia, while not being much immersion-breaking. One of the options we were thinking about was precisely the discovery of the writings of Snorri Sturluson, the famous Icelandic writer from the XIIIth c., although it looked to us a bit lackluster if not having proper content for Iceland. We also thought about the problems of the Greenland mission event, because we were aware that the Nordic settlements on the island were fully Christian by the time the contacts ceased.

Because of that, we decided on the Runestone event chain as one option, with the 'mechanical' option as the other (to not make it fully RNG-dependent).

Hello, @Pavía.

A while back I brought to Your attention some issues regarding misleading borders when releasing 2+ nations that share a core and the fact that Danzig appears much later than it did historically:

Unfortunately, those problems are still present in 1.34.2... I understand, we all are people and can forget about things.
Can I expect that this will be fixed?

Regarding the first issue, take notice of it, we're going to investigate it.

Regarding 'The Prussian Confederation', it is now a disaster that can trigger after 1450, so the revolt can start at some point in the following years.

Why do you make the AI always refuse the event chain? Even if you give it a 50% chance of accepting at each step the probability of it getting through the whole chain is 1/16, and this is assuming it has already met the conditions for the chain to fire. Wouldn't it be more interesting to play with a small but not zero chance of the AI going Norse?

Because we want this to be an easter egg for the player, we ruled out the AI of following this path.

Hello, @Pavia I a have a question: Does Ducal Prussia gets any additional content to make it brake free from Poland? Right now it gets annexed as if it was Danzig, have the same missions as Danzig, and it cannot be PU under Branderburg because it is a republic, which i think it shouldn't.

No, we haven't created extra content for Ducal Prussia. You can get different types of Prussia following the TO mission tree, though, including playing as Danzig, though.

Impossible to create Scandinavia if you accept these events. Can't use Caroleans either

The easter egg is really well thought out, the religious branching missions of at least Norway even factor it in. As in, you get a different few missions than the. Christians. My only gripe is that in the follow up event to convert to Norse culture, said culture is still in the Lost Cultures group, not the Nordic one.


EDIT: also somewhat related, I'd wish hope for basically all Pagan religions to have the "tolerated heretics" modifier. It doesn't really make sense for the Mayans to view the Aztecs as damn dirty heretics etc.

This is something we're taking a look at, although I can't promise any changes yet.

There is a lot of wonky English in these events, based on the screenshots in this dev diary, and I've noticed an increase in errors in newer content compared to pre-Leviathan. Could the dev team please have an editor proofread their text before it goes into the game? I'm really enjoying the content since Leviathan's release, but it sometimes stands out in a bad way compared to the older events, descriptions, and tooltips, which rarely had any errors.

Have to agree, I went through one of the DDs that showcased a lot of text pointing out all of the parts that do not read well in English if at all and there were quite a few examples.

This is something we've talked about a couple of teams before. After Paradox Tinto took the handover of EUIV, a lot of people with different backgrounds joined the team (as me, for instance). That means that not everybody here is a native English speaker. We are aware of the errors regarding localization, and we're improving the proofreading process of the new content, although it will take some time to fully adjust the process. This is a calculated risk, as we think that the people recruited for the team are very talented, and we're quite proud of the content created for Lions of the North, even if we have to continue improving some aspects, as this one you've pointed out.

I think similar content for Lithuanian pagans should have been added. They most likely still existed in the countryside in 1444 (Lithuania only formally converted in 1387 and initial conversion was probably limited to nobles) and the DLC did specifically focus on the Baltic area.

A bit fantastical, but well thought out event chain. I'm fine with a bit of alternate history as long as it's somewhat believable and thought out.

Shame that Suomenusko - or whatever you'd call it, Finnic? - and Romuva doesn't have similar events and constraints. Both of those religions were much more "alive" than Norse during the start of the New Age.

Also the Sami still have their religion as shamanism which is now the Fetishist religion in their country history file. Shamanism isn't in the game so they kinda would have to be Animist...

When it comes to a popularity contest, which this is, the Norse will always beat everything else, for better or worse.

While I don't exactly blame you for doing Yet More Silly Ahistorical Norse Stuff, because it's popular (much like Yet More Silly Ahistorical Byzantine Stuff)...

...it is really crappy that the actual living religion of the Sami is completely ignored in favour of reviving one that died centuries before the start date of the game. And as someone else pointed out, there is a lot more attested Lithuanian paganism around at this point too.

What about a possibility of adding Romuva for the Balts (Lithuania and Latgalia)? The religion was still practiced by the countryside people in 1444 and beyond that, especially in Samogitia.

I made a suggestion about it some time ago.

Not a fan of Norse content, the idea of pagan countries in Europe is fine but a Norse revival during Age of Discovery is a fantasy fanfic, the entire event chain remembers the supernatural events in CK2.
EU4 is full of fantasy fanfics anyway, so, Norse content could work fine but in this case this is not fine because there existed more immersive ways to make pagan countries in Europe playable.

More immersive and thematical ways to make pagan countries in Europe a viable possibility would be:
1- Pagan provinces in Sapmi land.
2- A event chain to revive Romuva faith in the Baltics, this faith makes much more sense to have remnants in 1444 when compared with the old Norse faith.

Considering that Sapmi and Baltics were regions inside the scope of Lions of the North but instead of pagan content about these 2 areas we get instead a Norse fanfic feels like a wasted opportunty.

We discussed the possibility of giving more content to Sapmi, Suomenusko, and Romuva, obviously! However, we had to prioritize some things among others in the development cycle. The Norse easter egg was possible because game mechanics already existed, and it didn't take much time to design and script it; however, giving a new set of mechanics to these religions would have taken more time, as we knew from implementing Judaism mechanics in Origins. We prioritized other parts of the content in the DLC, but specifically, we wanted the content to be as polished as possible, this time. Even if we had to renounce this, we were also able of adding other that was not initially planned, and we also achieved our objective of a smoother release, so... We're quite happy with the trade-off.

In the future would you consider a beta patch approach like what was done with 1.33? A lot of the bugs that filtered their way to 1.34.2 couldve easily been identified by the playerbase as opposed to some youtubers advertising mission trees (that are, in some cases bugged/incomplete). The DLC could have been advertised on the steam page as *BETA* warning players that it may still have bugs, while perhaps also giving a small 5-10% discount on it and raising the price after beta release.

Not for updates with new paid content, as that is very troublesome. I think that we've improved a lot the quality of releases with the changes we've been implementing to our QA workflow since 1.31, so we'll keep working on that line.

For technical updates not related to new DLCs, it may be, as 1.33 was quite successful, in our experience.

 

[Kyoumen]

We discussed the possibility of giving more content to Sapmi, Suomenusko, and Romuva, obviously! However, we had to prioritize some things among others in the development cycle. The Norse easter egg was possible because game mechanics already existed, and it didn't take much time to design and script it; however, giving a new set of mechanics to these religions would have taken more time, as we knew from implementing Judaism mechanics in Origins. We prioritized other parts of the content in the DLC, but specifically, we wanted the content to be as polished as possible, this time. Even if we had to renounce this, we were also able of adding other that was not initially planned, and we also achieved our objective of a smoother release, so... We're quite happy with the trade-off.

Thank you for responding to this issue.

I'll admit, it's felt in the last few years like Paradox has been very gung-ho about Viking fanservice, sometimes to the detriment of other things - for example, CK3 having a Viking dlc immediately despite them already havng special snowflake mechanics at launch, while other extremely important entities of the timeframe like the Byzantines are still very generic - and while I know this is for undoubtedly solid marketing reasons (and enthusiasm among employee reasons, no doubt) it can still feel frustrating for those of us that aren't really into Vikings (or, perhaps, not into pop culture Vikings, who aren't much like the real thing in any case).

Even this situation is because Norse was already more fully featured and fun to play in EUIV than Suomensko and Romuva, despite all of them being there due to the converter.

But of course none of that is your fault, or Paradox Tinto's fault, and while I still wish more priority had been given to real religions rather than a dead one, your explanation of why this was makes a lot of sense and I thank you for taking the time to give it.

 

[Swagnificent]

Tbh, the pact made during the conversion of Iceland stated that paganism could be kept in secret; it was a stated part of the compromise of conversion, so really you'd just have to go "oh actually a shitload of people were really secretly pagan at this point in history!"

Legit sorta irritated that Þingvellir weren't a Landmark though; it giving bonuses to Republics would help beef up Gotland and there definitely should be an option for an independent Iceland to return to republicanism (seeing as they literally never had counts or dukes of Iceland through its entire history...)

edit: the Lakagígar eruption is also a world event that devastated the area and it isn't mentioned afaik: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laki

 

[Gurluas]

The Norse religion was directly ported from the Ck2 converter. Could the same not be done to Sapmi and Romuva?
Tbh adding the rest like Hellenic for the nation creator would have been cool too.

I still believe having some flavor for Iceland in addition to this would be cool. Multiple paths, I mean you can always add more in future patches.

This doesn't have to be the end of Nordic flavor forever.

 

[currylambchop]

The Norse religion was directly ported from the Ck2 converter. Could the same not be done to Sapmi and Romuva?
Tbh adding the rest like Hellenic for the nation creator would have been cool too.

I still believe having some flavor for Iceland in addition to this would be cool. Multiple paths, I mean you can always add more in future patches.

This doesn't have to be the end of Nordic flavor forever.

Norse mechanics are EU4 specific, not from the converter

 

[Hare'da Irijon]

It would be border gore even though it’s historical

Dude
It's a historical game.

 

[currylambchop]

Dude
It's a historical game.

It’s a single province, there are way larger inaccuracies besides one province that Poland didn’t even control more than half of IRL (such as Muscovy being independent of Golden Horde)

 

[IndigoRage]

Norse mechanics are EU4 specific, not from the converter

They were directly ported from the converter. Before Norse was in the custom nation designer it was accessible via converter and those were what the mechanics added in the custom nation designer/RNW were based on.

 

[currylambchop]

They were directly ported from the converter. Before Norse was in the custom nation designer it was accessible via converter and those were what the mechanics added in the custom nation designer/RNW were based on.

wiki says romuva doesn’t have mechanics in the converter, it has modifiers but not mechanics ( like animist)

 

[IndigoRage]

wiki says romuva doesn’t have mechanics in the converter, it has modifiers but not mechanics ( like animist)

Yeah, I'm just clarifying that Norse, mechanics and all, actually originally was from the converter before being ported into EU4 proper.

 

[Gurluas]

Some of the heresies, Hellenic, Zoroastrian and Norse were the ones with actual mechanics.
Zoroastrian and Norse were ported to Eu4, and the Zoroastrian mechanics were further expanded with new features and an addition to Yazd.
Even if they have no mechanics, it'd be cool to have Romuva and Sapmi...But what I personally want is Hellenic, as that, like Norse, had full mechanics with patron gods etc.

I'd love to do a Hellenic Roman playthrough using a custom nation in vanilla.

 

[Sapa Inca]

Would be a bad idea to make some sapmi provinces animist? This is not ideal but considering that probably there will not be mechanics for a new Sami religion I think that a few animist provinces could be a compromise.

 

[So_MeOne]

Regarding the first issue, take notice of it, we're going to investigate it.

Regarding 'The Prussian Confederation', it is now a disaster that can trigger after 1450, so the revolt can start at some point in the following years.

Good day, @Pavía! Thank You for your response, I am very glad that you'll investigate the peace-deal visual issue.

When it comes to the revolt, sorry that I continuously bother You with this event chain. I am quite happy that it got its own disaster. It indeed begins in the 1450s and fires an event "flavor_teu.4" upon start, which gives burghers influence, land share and disloyalty.
However, the event that actually causes Danzig to revolt is "flavor_teu.1" and according to the game files it still can only trigger after 1460. This can be found in "\events\flavorTEU.txt", here it is:

# Prussian Confederation rises up
country_event = {
    id = flavor_teu.1
    title = "flavor_teu.EVTNAME1"
    desc = "flavor_teu.EVTDESC1"
    picture = ANGRY_MOB_eventPicture
    
    fire_only_once = yes
    
    trigger = {
        is_year = 1460
        NOT = { is_year = 1500 }
        tag = TEU
        NOT = { has_country_flag = pru_confederation_curtailed }
        NOT = { has_country_flag = pru_confederation_happened }
        NOT = { has_country_flag = pru_danzig_victory_happend }
        NOT = { has_estate_privilege = estate_burghers_prussian_confederation }
        has_disaster = prussian_confederation_disaster
        is_subject = no
        exists = POL
        is_neighbor_of = POL
        is_at_war = no
        NOT = { alliance_with = POL }
        POL = { is_subject = no }
        POL = { num_of_cities = 10 }
        num_of_cities = 5
        OR = {
            NOT = { exists = DNZ }
            DNZ = {
                is_subject_of = ROOT
            }
        }
        OR = {
            AND = {
                owns = 43
                controls = 43
            }
            DNZ = { owns = 43 controls = 43 }
        }
    }
    
    mean_time_to_happen = {
        months = 6
        modifier = {
            factor = 0.1
            is_year = 1466
        }
    }
    
    immediate = {
        hidden_effect = {
            set_country_flag = pru_confederation_happened
            # add cores to DNZ based on burgher land share
            if = {
                limit = {
                    estate_influence = {
                        estate = estate_burghers
                        influence = 40
                    }
                }
                random_owned_province = {
                    limit = {
                        is_capital = no
                        NOT = { is_core = DNZ }
                        OR = {
                            area = east_prussia_area
                            area = west_prussia_area
                        }
                        any_neighbor_province = {
                            is_core = DNZ
                        }
                    }
                    add_core = DNZ
                    if = {
                        limit = { is_part_of_hre = yes }
                        set_in_empire = no
                    }
                }
            }
            if = {
                limit = {
                    estate_influence = {
                        estate = estate_burghers
                        influence = 50
                    }
                }
                random_owned_province = {
                    limit = {
                        is_capital = no
                        NOT = { is_core = DNZ }
                        OR = {
                            area = east_prussia_area
                            area = west_prussia_area
                        }
                        any_neighbor_province = {
                            is_core = DNZ
                        }
                    }
                    add_core = DNZ
                    if = {
                        limit = { is_part_of_hre = yes }
                        set_in_empire = no
                    }
                }
            }
            if = {
                limit = {
                    estate_influence = {
                        estate = estate_burghers
                        influence = 60
                    }
                }
                random_owned_province = {
                    limit = {
                        is_capital = no
                        NOT = { is_core = DNZ }
                        OR = {
                            area = east_prussia_area
                            area = west_prussia_area
                        }
                        any_neighbor_province = {
                            is_core = DNZ
                        }
                    }
                    add_core = DNZ
                    if = {
                        limit = { is_part_of_hre = yes }
                        set_in_empire = no
                    }
                }
            }
            if = {
                limit = {
                    estate_influence = {
                        estate = estate_burghers
                        influence = 70
                    }
                }
                random_owned_province = {
                    limit = {
                        is_capital = no
                        NOT = { is_core = DNZ }
                        OR = {
                            area = east_prussia_area
                            area = west_prussia_area
                        }
                        any_neighbor_province = {
                            is_core = DNZ
                        }
                    }
                    add_core = DNZ
                    if = {
                        limit = { is_part_of_hre = yes }
                        set_in_empire = no
                    }
                }
            }
            if = {
                limit = {
                    estate_influence = {
                        estate = estate_burghers
                        influence = 80
                    }
                }
                random_owned_province = {
                    limit = {
                        is_capital = no
                        NOT = { is_core = DNZ }
                        OR = {
                            area = east_prussia_area
                            area = west_prussia_area
                        }
                        any_neighbor_province = {
                            is_core = DNZ
                        }
                    }
                    add_core = DNZ
                    if = {
                        limit = { is_part_of_hre = yes }
                        set_in_empire = no
                    }
                }
            }
            if = {
                limit = {
                    NOT = {
                        exists = DNZ
                    }
                }
                release = DNZ
                DNZ = {
                    change_government = republic
                    add_government_reform = oligarchy_reform
                    adopt_reform_progress = ROOT
                    hidden_effect = {
                        if = { limit = { is_part_of_hre = yes } set_in_empire = no }
                    }
                }
            }
            else = {
                every_owned_province = {
                    limit = {
                        is_core = DNZ
                    }
                    cede_province = DNZ
                }
            }
            DNZ = {
                capital_scope = {
                    build_to_forcelimit = {
                        infantry = 0.6
                        cavalry = 0.3
                    }
                }
                random_owned_province = {
                    limit = {
                        has_port = yes
                    }
                    build_to_forcelimit = {
                        galley = 0.3
                        light_ship = 0.3
                        transport = 0.2
                    }
                }
            }
        }
    }
    
    option = { # Go to war
        name = "flavor_teu.1.a"
        ai_chance = {
            factor = 100
            modifier = {
                factor = 0
                OR = {
                    is_bankrupt = yes
                    war_exhaustion = 10
                }
            }
            
        }
        declare_war_with_cb = {
            who = DNZ
            casus_belli = cb_core
            war_goal_province = 43
        }
        custom_tooltip = flavor_teu.1.tooltip
        hidden_effect = {
            POL = {
                country_event = { id = flavor_teu.2 }
            }
            POL = {
                create_guarantee = DNZ
            }
        }
    }
    option = { # Let them go
        name = "flavor_teu.1.b"
        ai_chance = {
            factor = 100
            modifier = {
                factor = 0
                OR = {
                    is_bankrupt = no
                    NOT = { war_exhaustion = 10 }
                }
            }
        }
        add_stability = -1
        add_prestige = -20
    }
}

I've also visually confirmed that this is the case in 1.34.3, by unpausing the game until 1460s.

Spoiler

Videos by YouTubers, with AI Teutons, as well show this event happening after 1460.
Once again, apologies for disturbing You because of the year inaccuracy and thank You for Your attention.

 

[Thaif]

Thanks for the responses and comments @Pavía.

I figured the reason was what you described as that is the easy and quick solution. I would like to point out that the reason why Norse always has ready made mechanics is the mentioned popularity contest and favor Vikings(the pop-culturised version at least) and by extension the Norse always get.

This is not an accusation, but an observation. Again, you can't not put Vikings in a game about history and strategy, but just focusing on them and leaving everyone else hanging isn't - to me at least - fun or interesting design regarding gameplay or the historical backdrop.

Perhaps I'm putting my personal feelings into the matter as it was Paradox games that inspired my to have history as a hobby so it can be disappointing and frustrating to see people with obvious talent and passion treading the same water again.

For those curious the Save Converter has stats for Suomenusko(we need a better name) and Romuva; -10% Fort Maintenance and +1 Tolerance of True Faith for Romuva and +10% Fort defense and +1 Max promoted cultures(weird one) for Suomenusko.
Additionally Romuva has province modifiers like many other converter religions - Suomenusko has none. The province modifiers are +10% Local defensiveness and -2% Local missionary strength.
Why this is not a feature on base EU4 is a missed opportunity to give some use for religious minorities instead of just converting or going Humanist to cut maluses.

Considering how long the folk traditions persisted among the Baltic and Ugric peoples despite Christianization I'd say they should get something to reflect that if Norse gets two fictitious options.

It's a shame that shamanism was overwritten with Fetishist - reason being was to prevent breaking save files at the time - as the Sami had, and still have, shamanistic traditions not to mention the people of the Volga, Ural mountains and Ob river.
Australia recently got some much needed content, but Siberia is still an absolute wasteland with Tengri as their religion...Totemism was also facelifted as a personal project by a dev.
Siberia and shamanism along with it are the one area that hasn't had any meaningful content added since...ever? Rather there's been several removals, usually to pinch some performance or variables for other things.

 

[SAmaster]

Hello there! Thanks again for your comments and feedback, it is very appreciated. We've been busy in the last week with the release of the 1.34.3 patch, so we've not been able to make a proper answer to the DD, although thanks to @Ryagi for keeping the fort while away!

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Not at this moment.

This is something we're thinking about, although it's early to advance anything on this topic. Suggestions about possible topics would be appreciated, nonetheless.




Yeah, this was also a controversial topic among the dev team, as we really tried to think about a way of opening this historical fantasia, while not being much immersion-breaking. One of the options we were thinking about was precisely the discovery of the writings of Snorri Sturluson, the famous Icelandic writer from the XIIIth c., although it looked to us a bit lackluster if not having proper content for Iceland. We also thought about the problems of the Greenland mission event, because we were aware that the Nordic settlements on the island were fully Christian by the time the contacts ceased.

Because of that, we decided on the Runestone event chain as one option, with the 'mechanical' option as the other (to not make it fully RNG-dependent).

Regarding the first issue, take notice of it, we're going to investigate it.

Regarding 'The Prussian Confederation', it is now a disaster that can trigger after 1450, so the revolt can start at some point in the following years.

Because we want this to be an easter egg for the player, we ruled out the AI of following this path.

No, we haven't created extra content for Ducal Prussia. You can get different types of Prussia following the TO mission tree, though, including playing as Danzig, though.


This is something we're taking a look at, although I can't promise any changes yet.


This is something we've talked about a couple of teams before. After Paradox Tinto took the handover of EUIV, a lot of people with different backgrounds joined the team (as me, for instance). That means that not everybody here is a native English speaker. We are aware of the errors regarding localization, and we're improving the proofreading process of the new content, although it will take some time to fully adjust the process. This is a calculated risk, as we think that the people recruited for the team are very talented, and we're quite proud of the content created for Lions of the North, even if we have to continue improving some aspects, as this one you've pointed out.





We discussed the possibility of giving more content to Sapmi, Suomenusko, and Romuva, obviously! However, we had to prioritize some things among others in the development cycle. The Norse easter egg was possible because game mechanics already existed, and it didn't take much time to design and script it; however, giving a new set of mechanics to these religions would have taken more time, as we knew from implementing Judaism mechanics in Origins. We prioritized other parts of the content in the DLC, but specifically, we wanted the content to be as polished as possible, this time. Even if we had to renounce this, we were also able of adding other that was not initially planned, and we also achieved our objective of a smoother release, so... We're quite happy with the trade-off.

Not for updates with new paid content, as that is very troublesome. I think that we've improved a lot the quality of releases with the changes we've been implementing to our QA workflow since 1.31, so we'll keep working on that line.

For technical updates not related to new DLCs, it may be, as 1.33 was quite successful, in our experience.

Sounds to me like you guys need to do a patch revamping the Pagan Religion group in general. There's a lot of disparate issues you could group up.

-Adjusting tolerance and use of monuments for using cults in Fetishist and Alchirenga religions
-Giving tolerance to heretics buff for the pagan religions
-Maybe readding shamanism if a few map spots to make animism less monolithic
-rebalancing the Nahuatl, Inti, and Mayan religions now that their reform mechanics are so clunky given the new government systems and institutions handle the westernization aspect much better than blocking it off to religions (and restricting a lot of gameplay mechanics behind a lot of busy work, gold production, building monuments, naval advancement, government reforms, development)
-Similarly mission trees for those nations could be seriously revamped (one idea for instance instead of just the Aztecs or Mayans annexing and converting each-other maybe allowing you to create a large vassal state to help colonize the new world and fight off the Europeans together, similar to the Mughals Viceroy of Deccan mission)
-Granting a bit more Norse content, particularly with Iceland, and some content for the Sami and Romuva
-Maybe settling finally exactly what you want to do with the Siberian tribes since they've kind of been in a gameplay limbo for a while now
-Hellenism? No sillier than norse, plus it'd probably require you to form Byzantium and Greece which are not easy tasks with the Ottomans around.
-Adding or rebalancing some monuments for the pagan religions

I think there's enough stuff there that it could make for a neat content pack.

 

[PAXICA]

Мне кажется, что вам, ребята, нужно сделать патч, обновляющий группу Pagan Religion в целом. Есть много разрозненных вопросов, которые вы могли бы сгруппировать.

-Регулировка терпимости и использования памятников для использования культов в религиях фетишистов и альчиренга.
- Дает терпимость к еретикам бафф для языческих религий
-Возможно чтение шаманизма, если несколько мест на карте, чтобы сделать анимизм менее монолитным
- перебалансировка религий науатль, инти и майя теперь, когда их механика реформ настолько неуклюжа, учитывая, что новые правительственные системы и институты гораздо лучше справляются с аспектом вестернизации, чем блокируя его религиями (и ограничивая множество игровых механик за множеством занятых работа, добыча золота, строительство памятников, военно-морское продвижение, правительственные реформы, развитие)
-Аналогично деревья миссий для этих наций могут быть серьезно переработаны (например, одна идея вместо того, чтобы просто ацтеки или майя присоединяли и преобразовывали друг друга, может позволить вам создать большое вассальное государство, чтобы помочь колонизировать новый мир и вместе бороться с европейцами). , аналогично миссии Могольского вице-короля Декана)
- Предоставление немного больше скандинавского контента, особенно с Исландией, и немного контента для саамов и ромува.
-Возможно, наконец-то решить, что именно вы хотите делать с сибирскими племенами, так как они какое-то время находились в подвешенном состоянии игрового процесса.
-Эллинизм? Не глупее, чем скандинавский, плюс вам, вероятно, потребуется сформировать Византию и Грецию, что непростая задача с османами вокруг.
- Добавление или перебалансировка некоторых памятников языческим религиям

Я думаю, что там достаточно материала, из которого можно сделать аккуратный пакет контента.

Аve! According to Byzantium and Greek paganism, the event lies after the victory of the Greeks over the Ottomans, after this miraculous victory, the emperor abandons the Christian religion in favor of the Greek primordial mythology.

 

[SAmaster]

Аve! According to Byzantium and Greek paganism, the event lies after the victory of the Greeks over the Ottomans, after this miraculous victory, the emperor abandons the Christian religion in favor of the Greek primordial mythology.

Actually I could see maybe it requires the Ottomans to still be around. Defeating the muslim hordes might seem like a sign from god that Orthodoxy is the one-true-faith. That said, the greco-byzantium pathway is pretty limited. Either they suceed in defeating the ottomans, or they are vanquished so it's a hard thing to figure good circumstances for.

Oh also on another note- it was noted that Norse culture sucks since it's in the lost-culture group, similarly Roman culture sucks for the same reason. I think it'd be most appropriate if Roman was moved to the Greek Culture group, since Greeks in the timeframe of EU4 probably have more in common with the Romans than the Romans do anyone else. Plus the Gree Culture group is pretty small to begin with.

 

[bert456]

Hi, I really like this DLC. It is the first DLC in years I looked forward to getting! I was hoping for Scandinavian rework, and I LOVE the addition of the Norse faith events.
I do think the 5/5/5 prerequisite and so on is very COOL, but way too difficult. I was spending hours and hours crashing the game and setting it all up. And it has not worked yet for me. So I would say make it slightly easier to do it. I like the Greenland event a lot, but you could easily switch that if you'd like to sth from a 'Settlement from FInnmark' or sth, lost in the mountains in the north. So I love this, but I do think it is too difficult/hard to switch to Norse. Yes it should be an easter egg or sth, but right now it is too tough. People crashing the game for 24 hours just to have a CHANCE of getting it cannot be the way you would like people to play the game. Outside of that LOVE the ideas, LOVE the easter eggs. LOVE the addition. It is actually going Norse that makes me want to play this DLC. I was not really waiting for Riga or Teutonic Knights, more for Norway/Denmark/Sweden.