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When you are Emperor and hold the Kingdom of Cyrodiil, your Cyrodiilic vassals tend to create the Oblivion counties corresponding kingdom titles (Kings of Anvil, Bruma, Kvatch, etc). I find this particularly unimerssive. Two possible solutions would be forbidding the creation of titular titles if the de jure high kindom exists or, like the GOT mod does for the Lord Paramounts, having a mechanic that changes these kings into nominal "counts", without crowns and without being called kings. The second option would be useful if you want to organize your vassals into super dukes to mimic the game's de jure setup.
 
It probably has already been suggested multiple times, but extending the timeline to include the Merethic Era in history so some of our favorite missing characters like Gelebor and Vyrthur can be added and given their proper age.
 
There's only three and a half thousand years of history across all of Tamriel to make up in between the Merethic Era and 2E 450 start date. I'm sure that if we started now, it would be ready in time for Victoria IV.
 
It is often forgotten just how long some periods of history in Tamriel are, even by Bethesda. As a comparison point, Nerevar's death is as far into the past to the people in the current start date as the independence of Carthage from Tyre is to us - and that was several centuries into the First Era.
 
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The "Lit the Dragonfires" modifier should probably piss off followers of molag bal and mehrunes dagon
 
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So, in the lore a lot of people (all of the septim dynasty bar two afaik) lit the dragonfires without actually being related to a known dragonborn. Since the mod's firelighting event (a.flavour8) is quite binary in terms of what permits a successful lighting of the fires, I figured I would edit it to reflect the possibility of Akatosh deeming an individual worthy of upholding the Covenant and thus being capable of lighting the dragonfires and wearing the amulet of kings (as he must have done with at least one of the septims and katariah). Criteria are quite strict (imo).


Code: 
# Light the Dragonfires
character_event = {
    id = aflavor.8
    desc = try_dragonfires_desc
    picture = GFX_evt_cyrodiil

    is_triggered_only = yes

    option = {
        name = aflavor.8.opta
        trigger = {
            NOR = {
                any_owned_bloodline = {
                    OR = {
                        has_bloodline_flag = bloodline_reman
                        has_bloodline_flag = bloodline_tiber
                        has_bloodline_flag = bloodline_divine
                    }
                }
                is_dragonblood = yes
            }
            NOT = { has_artifact = amulet_of_kings }
        }
        hidden_tooltip = {
            character_event = { id = aflavor.10 }
        }
    }
    option = {
        name = aflavor.8.optb
        trigger = {
            NOR = {
                any_owned_bloodline = {
                    OR = {
                        has_bloodline_flag = bloodline_reman
                        has_bloodline_flag = bloodline_tiber
                        has_bloodline_flag = bloodline_divine
                    }
                }
                is_dragonblood = yes
            }
            has_artifact = amulet_of_kings
        }
        hidden_tooltip = {
          
if = {
                limit = {
                    OR = {
                        religion = eight_divines
                        religion = nine_divines
                    }
                    OR = {
                        AND = {
                            calc_true_if = {
                                amount = 2
                                trait = just
                                trait = kind
                                trait = charitable
                            }
                            calc_true_if = {
                                amount = 2
                                trait = humble
                                trait = diligent
                                trait = temperate
                                trait = zealous
                                trait = patient
                                trait = brave
                                trait = honest
                            }
                        }
                        calc_true_if = {
                            amount = 4
                            trait = just
                            trait = kind
                            trait = charitable
                            trait = humble
                            trait = diligent
                            trait = temperate
                        }
                        calc_true_if = {
                            amount = 7
                            trait = just
                            trait = kind
                            trait = charitable
                            trait = humble
                            trait = diligent
                            trait = temperate
                            trait = zealous
                            trait = patient
                            trait = brave
                            trait = honest
                        }
                    }
                    NOR = {
                        has_character_flag = daedric_herald
                        trait = cruel
                        trait = lunatic
                        trait = arbitrary
                        trait = impaler
                        trait = necromancer
                        trait = slaver
                        trait = soulless_clavicus
                        calc_true_if = {
                            amount = 2
                            trait = deceitful
                            trait = ruthless
                            trait = greedy
                            trait = slothful
                        }
                        calc_true_if = {
                            amount = 4
                            trait = deceitful
                            trait = ruthless
                            trait = greedy
                            trait = envious
                            trait = cynical
                            trait = slothful
                            trait = hedonist
                            trait = wroth
                            trait = warlord
                        }
                        AND = {
                            has_secret_religion = yes
                            NOR = {
                                secret_religion = eight_divines
                                secret_religion = nine_divines
                            }
                        }
                    }
                }
                character_event = { id = aflavor.9 }
                if = {
                    limit = {
                        NOT = { has_character_flag = dragonborn_candidate }
                    }
                    set_character_flag = dragonborn_candidate
                }
            }
            else = {
                character_event = { id = aflavor.10 }
            } 
        }
    }
    option = {
        name = aflavor.8.optc
        trigger = {
            OR = {
                any_owned_bloodline = {
                    OR = {
                        has_bloodline_flag = bloodline_reman
                        has_bloodline_flag = bloodline_tiber
                        has_bloodline_flag = bloodline_divine
                    }
                }
            is_dragonblood = yes        
            }
            NOT = { has_artifact = amulet_of_kings }
        }
        hidden_tooltip = {
            character_event = { id = aflavor.10 }
        }
    }
    option = {
        name = aflavor.8.optd
        trigger = {
            OR = {
                any_owned_bloodline = {
                    OR = {
                        has_bloodline_flag = bloodline_reman
                        has_bloodline_flag = bloodline_tiber
                        has_bloodline_flag = bloodline_divine
                    }
                }
            is_dragonblood = yes        
            }
            has_artifact = amulet_of_kings
            }
        hidden_tooltip = {
            character_event = { id = aflavor.9 }
        }
    }
}
I might rework it into a random list check, but at the same time I'm not sure.

Would be kinda neat if you could ask the high chancellor of the elder council to coronate you under the right circumstances, too.
 
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TheDarkMaster said:
As an aside, are there any other Aedra worshiping religions that should be able to light the dragonfires, other than the Eight/Nine Divines?
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I wasn't sure about whether to include the elven pantheon, because Akatosh's command says "Obey your Emperor, Worship the Nine (presumably the Eight, previously), listen to (the clergy)", which seems like encouragement of the imperial cult. Alessia also founded the Eight Divines pantheon, and she was the one with whom Akatosh made the Covenant originally. Presumably there was some understanding there. Akatosh also seems to like men more than mer, at least if we are to take his canon choices for dragonborn as any indication.

Part of it was also that I wanted the criteria to be quite strict, such that the person wouldn't really have/be anything Akatosh could object to, including in some sense being a religious deviant. Hence why the Marukh heresy isn't accepted either.
 
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VineFynn said:
Presumably there was some understanding there. Akatosh also seems to like men more than mer, at least if we are to take his canon choices for dragonborn as any indication.
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I thought Alessia was the only dragonborn of Akatosh, while the rest were Lorkhans soul reincarnations. Mainly because Alessia was blessed with the dragon blood as opposed to being born with it from what I remember of the lore. Lorkhan definitly has a man bias, what with the fact he keeps leading wars to kill mer all the time in the lore.
 
EmperorG said:
I thought Alessia was the only dragonborn of Akatosh, while the rest were Lorkhans soul reincarnations. Mainly because Alessia was blessed with the dragon blood as opposed to being born with it from what I remember of the lore. Lorkhan definitly has a man bias, what with the fact he keeps leading wars to kill mer all the time in the lore.
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Never heard this before. UESP and Teswiki both say it's a blessing from Akatosh. Lorkhan isn't mentioned anywhere.
 
VineFynn said:
I wasn't sure about whether to include the elven pantheon, because Akatosh's command says "Obey your Emperor, Worship the Nine (presumably the Eight, previously), listen to (the clergy)", which seems like encouragement of the imperial cult. Alessia also founded the Eight Divines pantheon, and she was the one with whom Akatosh made the Covenant originally. Presumably there was some understanding there. Akatosh also seems to like men more than mer, at least if we are to take his canon choices for dragonborn as any indication.

Part of it was also that I wanted the criteria to be quite strict, such that the person wouldn't really have/be anything Akatosh could object to, including in some sense being a religious deviant. Hence why the Marukh heresy isn't accepted either.
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From what I can tell, the Khajit at least worship the Aedra, along with the Ailmer pantheon. Though both do not do so exclusively, with deadra and ancestor worship included respectively. If religious reformations get in with the option to choose pantheons, at the very least I think it should be possible for new covenants to be made with Akatosh so they'd be viewed as valid alternatives. I should check the Yunkai and eastern pantheons at some point, see if appropriate Aedra worship is in there.
 
TheDarkMaster said:
From what I can tell, the Khajit at least worship the Aedra, along with the Ailmer pantheon. Though both do not do so exclusively, with deadra and ancestor worship included respectively. If religious reformations get in with the option to choose pantheons, at the very least I think it should be possible for new covenants to be made with Akatosh so they'd be viewed as valid alternatives. I should check the Yunkai and eastern pantheons at some point, see if appropriate Aedra worship is in there.
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That would be cool. I'm actually creating a second version of the event which uses a random check instead, so I might make it more flexible there too.
 
Second version of the event, includes possibility for Akatosh to accept any candidate that isn't trash (like my boy varen)

Code: 
# Light the Dragonfires
character_event = {
    id = aflavor.8
    desc = try_dragonfires_desc
    picture = GFX_evt_cyrodiil

    is_triggered_only = yes

    option = {
        name = aflavor.8.opta
        trigger = {
            NOR = {
                any_owned_bloodline = {
                    OR = {
                        has_bloodline_flag = bloodline_reman
                        has_bloodline_flag = bloodline_tiber
                        has_bloodline_flag = bloodline_divine
                    }
                }
                is_dragonblood = yes
            }
            NOT = { has_artifact = amulet_of_kings }
        }
        hidden_tooltip = {
            character_event = { id = aflavor.10 }
        }
    }
    option = {
        name = aflavor.8.optb
        trigger = {
            NOR = {
                any_owned_bloodline = {
                    OR = {
                        has_bloodline_flag = bloodline_reman
                        has_bloodline_flag = bloodline_tiber
                        has_bloodline_flag = bloodline_divine
                    }
                }
                is_dragonblood = yes
            }
            has_artifact = amulet_of_kings
        }
        hidden_tooltip = {
            if = {
                limit = {
                    NOR = {
                        has_character_flag = daedric_herald
                        trait = cruel
                        trait = lunatic
                        trait = arbitrary
                        trait = impaler
                        trait = necromancer
                        trait = slaver
                        trait = soulless_clavicus
                        AND = {
                            has_secret_religion = yes #Akatosh KNOWS
                            NOR = {
                                secret_religion = eight_divines
                                secret_religion = nine_divines
                                secret_religion = auri-el
                                secret_religion = green_pact
                                secret_religion = riddlethar
                                secret_religion = alikr
                                secret_religion = sakatal
                                secret_religion = blacksap
                                secret_religion = marukh
                            }
                        }
                        NOR = {
                            calc_true_if = {
                                amount = 2
                                trait = deceitful
                                trait = ruthless
                                trait = greedy
                                trait = slothful
                            }
                            calc_true_if = {
                                amount = 4
                                trait = deceitful
                                trait = ruthless
                                trait = greedy
                                trait = envious
                                trait = cynical
                                trait = slothful
                                trait = hedonist
                                trait = wroth
                                trait = warlord
                            }
                        }
                    }
                }
                random_list = {
                    1 = {
                        modifier = { # Will have been shaped by the childhood events to be more suited
                            has_character_flag = dragonborn_candidate
                            factor = 3
                        }
                        modifier = {
                            trait = just
                            factor = 5 
                        }
                        modifier = {
                            trait = kind
                            factor = 4
                        }
                        modifier = {
                            trait = charitable
                            factor = 3
                        }
                        modifier = {
                            trait = humble
                            factor = 2.5
                        }
                        modifier = {
                            trait = diligent
                            factor = 2.5
                        }
                        modifier = {
                            trait = temperate
                            factor = 2.5
                        }
                        modifier = {
                            trait = zealous
                            factor = 2 
                        }
                        modifier = {
                            trait = patient
                            factor = 2
                        }
                        modifier = {
                            trait = brave
                            factor = 2
                        }
                        modifier = {
                            trait = honest
                            factor = 2
                        }
                        modifier = {
                            trait = deceitful
                            factor = 0.7
                        }
                        modifier = {
                            trait = ruthless
                            factor = 0.7
                        }
                        modifier = {
                            trait = greedy
                            factor = 0.7
                        }
                        modifier = {
                            trait = slothful
                            factor = 0.7
                        }
                        modifier = {
                            trait = envious
                            factor = 0.9
                        }
                        modifier = {
                            trait = cynical
                            factor = 0.9
                        }
                        modifier = {
                            trait = hedonist
                            factor = 0.9
                        }
                        modifier = {
                            trait = wroth
                            factor = 0.9
                        }
                        modifier = {
                            trait = warlord
                            factor = 0.9
                        }
                        modifier = {
                            OR = {
                                religion = eight_divines
                                religion = nine_divines
                            }
                            factor = 1.25
                        }
                        modifier = {
                            OR = {
                                religion = auri-el
                                religion = greenpact
                                religion = riddlethar
                                religion = alikr
                                religion = sakatal
                            }
                            factor = 1.2
                        }
                        modifier = {
                            OR = {
                                religion = blacksap
                                religion = marukh
                            }
                            factor = 1.1
                        }
                        modifier = { # At the end of the day, if someone who worships publicly worships daedra is trying to light the dragonfires, they can't be *that* bad
                            OR = {
                                religion_group = oblivion_religions
                                religion_group = old_faith
                                religion_group = reach_faiths
                                religion_group = daedra
                                religion_group = tribunal
                            }
                            factor = 0.5
                        }
                        character_event = { id = aflavor.9 }
                        if = {
                            limit = {
                                NOT = { has_character_flag = dragonborn_candidate }
                            }
                            set_character_flag = dragonborn_candidate
                        }
                    }
                    99 = {
                        modifier = { # Paragon, guaranteed acceptance
                            OR = {
                                religion = eight_divines
                                religion = nine_divines
                            }
                            OR = {
                                AND = {
                                    calc_true_if = {
                                        amount = 2
                                        trait = just
                                        trait = kind
                                        trait = charitable
                                    }
                                    calc_true_if = {
                                        amount = 2
                                        trait = humble
                                        trait = diligent
                                        trait = temperate
                                        trait = zealous
                                        trait = patient
                                        trait = brave
                                        trait = honest
                                    }
                                }
                                calc_true_if = {
                                    amount = 4
                                    trait = just
                                    trait = kind
                                    trait = charitable
                                    trait = humble
                                    trait = diligent
                                    trait = temperate
                                }
                                calc_true_if = {
                                    amount = 7
                                    trait = just
                                    trait = kind
                                    trait = charitable
                                    trait = humble
                                    trait = diligent
                                    trait = temperate
                                    trait = zealous
                                    trait = patient
                                    trait = brave
                                    trait = honest
                                }
                            }
                            NOR = {
                                    trait = deceitful
                                    trait = ruthless
                                    trait = greedy
                                    trait = slothful
                            }
                            factor = 0
                        }
                        character_event = { id = aflavor.10 }
                    }
                }
            }
            else = {
                character_event = { id = aflavor.10 }
            } 
        }
    }
    option = {
        name = aflavor.8.optc
        trigger = {
            OR = {
                any_owned_bloodline = {
                    OR = {
                        has_bloodline_flag = bloodline_reman
                        has_bloodline_flag = bloodline_tiber
                        has_bloodline_flag = bloodline_divine
                    }
                }
            is_dragonblood = yes         
            }
            NOT = { has_artifact = amulet_of_kings }
        }
        hidden_tooltip = {
            character_event = { id = aflavor.10 }
        }
    }
    option = {
        name = aflavor.8.optd
        trigger = {
            OR = {
                any_owned_bloodline = {
                    OR = {
                        has_bloodline_flag = bloodline_reman
                        has_bloodline_flag = bloodline_tiber
                        has_bloodline_flag = bloodline_divine
                    }
                }
            is_dragonblood = yes         
            }
            has_artifact = amulet_of_kings
            }
        hidden_tooltip = {
            character_event = { id = aflavor.9 }
        }
    }
}
 
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VineFynn said:
Never heard this before. UESP and Teswiki both say it's a blessing from Akatosh. Lorkhan isn't mentioned anywhere.
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in kirkbrides stuff its heavily heavily implied that talos + all the players are lorkhan somehow confusing
 
VineFynn said:
That would be cool. I'm actually creating a second version of the event which uses a random check instead, so I might make it more flexible there too.
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I checked through the religions in the game, and only the Eight/Nine Divines, Alkosh and Riddle'thar religions explicitly worship Akatosh. The later two claim to follow a different individual but we can safely say that Akatosh probably isn't too bothered by that. Alkosh rulers can even take him as their personal patron, though Riddle'thar cannot for some reason. Possibly that's a bug. Most of the other religions worship their own perceived creators and creation myths. Nothing specific about whether or not the Aedra respect or respond to those prayers though.

There'd need to be some sort of executive decision on each to determine if the group in question is worshiping some aspect of Aedra or not for mechanical purposes.
 
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