Right. Why don't you take a look at how those suspects voted after those days? Perhaps we could find a target to lynch that would provide some further information.
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Boris has been run up for three days in a row. I think it's time to let him go and let the seer handle him. Instead, why not string up tamius, who has voted Boris for FOUR DAYS IN A ROW. I mean it's perfect - you're always voting for a plausible candidate, but if you die there is very little to go on analysis-wise.
Vote tamius
Vote tamius
Well, some of us feel strongly on Taii and Boris being suspects, not mounting much of a defense... except an occasional "this is annoying".
They continue to be run up because others get lynch in their stead... like the gardian angel for example.
I think we need to put more canidates to the flame. Tamius's voting record is not very strong, either repeatedly going after me or throwing meaningless votes onto Jacob
Vote Tamius
Vote Tamius
What defense can I use...? There's not much of a case against me in the first place.
I don't know. His behaviour just doesn't seem to match the modus operandi of a baddie.
I'm not saying the analysis isn't good, mind - It is - it's just that his whole "there can't possibly be a case against me" attitude doesn't really jive with it.
He isn't showing up on either TAM's or Kings lists though, isn't he? Why not?
That's a piece of bull, Taiisatai. The case against you is that your vote on Nautilu made a lot of sense for a wolf from either pack to place, and that some of your behaviour is seen as suspicious as well.
That's a perfectly legitimate case. Much better than the type of case we see in the first few days of voting, in fact.
(Yeah, by that logic, i'm a suspect too. Which is perfectly legitimate. I don't really have much of a defense, other than "as a baddie I'd have sold out someone by now".
)
Yeah, by that logic, i'm a suspect too. Which is perfectly legitimate. I don't really have much of a defense, other than "as a baddie I'd have sold out someone by now".
Well if you say so...
VOTE RANDAKAR
Good evening and welcome to Newsnight, Professor Wood
Thank you Jeremy, and may I say what a pleasure it is to converse with a fellow historian.
So, Professor, what is there about Churchill's Nobel Prize that makes it a worthy subject of your new TV series, due to be screened later this year on BBC2? Surely there is no mystery about the Greatest ever Briton ...
present company excluded, after all Churchill is not the only person to have written an excellent history of the English
... about Churchill being awarded a Nobel Prize. Who was more deserving?
You have as always, Jeremy, got straight to the heart of the matter. Why did it take so long? Nobel committees are notoriously dilatory about awarding their prizes, and until the release of the 1947 cabinet papers, everyone had assumed that was all there was to it.
Surely those were released a long time ago. 1977 to be precise.
Most of them were. But often the juiciest information is held back for longer. 1970 was too early to let the world know how close the cabinet were to appointing Halifax Prime Minister and following the French in surrendering to Hitler. Indeed many historians believe that the papers being held back till 2040 relate to that episode. The 1947 papers that have just been released show that the British Government had been given every reason to believe that Churchill was going to receive a Nobel Prize in 1948 and had indicated their support and encouragement for it. These days the Nobel Committees are happy to embarrass governments that are disliked by Norway and Sweden, but 1948 was a different era and they would not have awarded a prize without at least the tacit approval of the British Government.
So you went "In search of" the Nobel Prize Churchill should have got in 1948. Why not just wait for the 1948 papers? Surely they will provide the relevant information.
Maybe, maybe not. And if I was still waiting, the intriguing mysteries that I uncovered would not be revealed to the readers of my new book, out shortly from
I think you meant your new television series, to be shown shortly on BBC2.
Exactly, Jeremy. A writer such as yourself has an ear for the correct phrase. Which is why Amazon's 2 for 1 offer on your book and mine is such good value.
Perhaps you would answer the question about the Nobel Prize
It seems to be connected to the tragic death of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, who was said at the time to have succumbed to liver failure after one game too many of gin blackjack, but in the light of my research
which can be viewed shortly on BBC2
it seems that it may have been due to excessive Polonium in his gin rather than excessive gin. The late 40s was when the Cambridge Five spy ring had deeply infiltrated British Intelligence. Many of them were eventually indentified, and confessed but were allowed to remain in position as double agents due to the degree of embarrassment to the country that their exposure would have entailed. The 5th man has never been made public
until now?
You'll have to read my ...
... watch your series on BBC2
... to find out. Incidentally, there are also indications that Sir Stafford was being used by Atlee to negotiate with the IRA over full independence for Ireland, in much the same way as Churchill used him to negotiate with Congress over Indian independence. Was Churchill the 5th man? Did Atlee use the IRA to kill off a rival for the Labour leadership? You probably won't find the answers to these questions by waiting a year for the next batch of cabinet papers to be released, but you could ...
... watch your forthcoming series on BBC2.
Thank you Jeremy, and may I say what a pleasure it is to converse with a fellow historian.
So, Professor, what is there about Churchill's Nobel Prize that makes it a worthy subject of your new TV series, due to be screened later this year on BBC2? Surely there is no mystery about the Greatest ever Briton ...
present company excluded, after all Churchill is not the only person to have written an excellent history of the English
... about Churchill being awarded a Nobel Prize. Who was more deserving?
You have as always, Jeremy, got straight to the heart of the matter. Why did it take so long? Nobel committees are notoriously dilatory about awarding their prizes, and until the release of the 1947 cabinet papers, everyone had assumed that was all there was to it.
Surely those were released a long time ago. 1977 to be precise.
Most of them were. But often the juiciest information is held back for longer. 1970 was too early to let the world know how close the cabinet were to appointing Halifax Prime Minister and following the French in surrendering to Hitler. Indeed many historians believe that the papers being held back till 2040 relate to that episode. The 1947 papers that have just been released show that the British Government had been given every reason to believe that Churchill was going to receive a Nobel Prize in 1948 and had indicated their support and encouragement for it. These days the Nobel Committees are happy to embarrass governments that are disliked by Norway and Sweden, but 1948 was a different era and they would not have awarded a prize without at least the tacit approval of the British Government.
So you went "In search of" the Nobel Prize Churchill should have got in 1948. Why not just wait for the 1948 papers? Surely they will provide the relevant information.
Maybe, maybe not. And if I was still waiting, the intriguing mysteries that I uncovered would not be revealed to the readers of my new book, out shortly from
I think you meant your new television series, to be shown shortly on BBC2.
Exactly, Jeremy. A writer such as yourself has an ear for the correct phrase. Which is why Amazon's 2 for 1 offer on your book and mine is such good value.
Perhaps you would answer the question about the Nobel Prize
It seems to be connected to the tragic death of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, who was said at the time to have succumbed to liver failure after one game too many of gin blackjack, but in the light of my research
which can be viewed shortly on BBC2
it seems that it may have been due to excessive Polonium in his gin rather than excessive gin. The late 40s was when the Cambridge Five spy ring had deeply infiltrated British Intelligence. Many of them were eventually indentified, and confessed but were allowed to remain in position as double agents due to the degree of embarrassment to the country that their exposure would have entailed. The 5th man has never been made public
until now?
You'll have to read my ...
... watch your series on BBC2
... to find out. Incidentally, there are also indications that Sir Stafford was being used by Atlee to negotiate with the IRA over full independence for Ireland, in much the same way as Churchill used him to negotiate with Congress over Indian independence. Was Churchill the 5th man? Did Atlee use the IRA to kill off a rival for the Labour leadership? You probably won't find the answers to these questions by waiting a year for the next batch of cabinet papers to be released, but you could ...
... watch your forthcoming series on BBC2.
Vote taii
Let's see taii today, we can do tamius tomorrow. Both cases seem to be pretty much equally valid.
Let's see taii today, we can do tamius tomorrow. Both cases seem to be pretty much equally valid.
That's a piece of bull, Taiisatai. The case against you is that your vote on Nautilu made a lot of sense for a wolf from either pack to place, and that some of your behaviour is seen as suspicious as well.
That's a perfectly legitimate case. Much better than the type of case we see in the first few days of voting, in fact.
(Yeah, by that logic, i'm a suspect too. Which is perfectly legitimate. I don't really have much of a defense, other than "as a baddie I'd have sold out someone by now".
Call me Tai, I find it much friendlier
And you're right, there is a legitimate case against me. I just don't have any real way to defend against it other than the fact that I am not a wolf...
VOTE TAIISATAI64
Only slightly informed vote. Going out, may not be back before deadline.
Only slightly informed vote. Going out, may not be back before deadline.
Unofficial votecount (simple version) :
Taii : 5
Boris : 4
Tamius : 3
Randakar : 2
Johho : 1
Nautilus v2 : 1
AVN : 1
Taii : 5
Boris : 4
Tamius : 3
Randakar : 2
Johho : 1
Nautilus v2 : 1
AVN : 1
vote Taiisatai64If anyone wants to sub for me then Im good with that 'cos Im way busier than I thought I was gonna be. Sorry.