I thought it was germany at first but I see you changed it's dirty yellow colour and gave it to poland?
My recent attempt at Jihad: I don't think I'm going to make it in time for the 1821 cutoff.
Sorry buddy, but I just can't buy that thing as a Jihad! First of all, the majority of the provinces you've conquered are Islamic or heathens other than true Heretics of Christ, and thus Europe stands left alone. Shouldn't Europe be the first of your target, considering the long history between the two? Granted, I know it can be tough ingame to do so with Najd, but apparently you've succeeded with the rest of the world.
He did say ATTEMPT a Jihad.Sorry buddy, but I just can't buy that thing as a Jihad! First of all, the majority of the provinces you've conquered are Islamic or heathens other than true Heretics of Christ, and thus Europe stands left alone. Shouldn't Europe be the first of your target, considering the long history between the two? Granted, I know it can be tough ingame to do so with Najd, but apparently you've succeeded with the rest of the world.
Sorry buddy, but I just can't buy that thing as a Jihad! First of all, the majority of the provinces you've conquered are Islamic or heathens other than true Heretics of Christ, and thus Europe stands left alone. Shouldn't Europe be the first of your target, considering the long history between the two? Granted, I know it can be tough ingame to do so with Najd, but apparently you've succeeded with the rest of the world.
Jihad was foremost used when a former Islamic land was lost, for example when Jerusalem was sacked and conquered by the crusaders.
After around 1500 the power of Jihad and the caliphate (to motivate the masses to fight a war) started to decline, the same way with the crusades.
And you forgot to mention that those christian lands where former Hebrew/Tribal lands which imperialistic "Pagans" seized for no particular reason and then converted them to christianity.You forget to tell, that this were former christian lands, and the muslims just siezed them for no reason. That was mostly reason for crushades.
And you forgot to mention that those christian lands where former Hebrew/Tribal lands which imperialistic "Pagans" seized for no particular reason and then converted them to christianity.
Indeed, but it does not change the fact that most of the land that was taken by the Arabs during the initial conquests was not "de jure" christian land to begin with as Iwanow seems to imply.Oh those lands were seized by many other imperialistic pagans. Assyrians, Persians, Babylonians, Greeks and i think Egyptians too. But the main damage to Hebrew nations was made by the Assyrians and Babylonians. And the Hebrew people didn't exactly come there peacefully, even the bible says so.
Indeed, but it does not change the fact that most of the land that was taken by the Arabs during the initial conquests was not "de jure" christian land to begin with as Iwanow seems to imply.
And you forgot to mention that those christian lands where former Hebrew/Tribal lands which imperialistic "Pagans" seized for no particular reason and then converted them to christianity.
Well, cultural domination is indeed noteworthy, but I highly doubt that by 650 the majority of the Lands had been christian for more than around 300-400 years, but I do have to admit that there are few sources to search that so you might indeed be right that it could be considered christian heartland by then. Also remember that by the time the crusades hit most of the lands had been in muslim hands for almost 500 years themselves and where mostly muslim by then. Also the crusades where primarily done by roman catholics and orthodox byzantines.600 years of domination with extensive cultural influencing is more than enough for me to call it de-jure. I think that it's simply a matter of brain perception, you think of Syria and Palestine as Muslim simply because you were born in an era where it has been muslim for roughly 1300 years, which is certainly much longer than Roman domination, true that. But the Hebrews were united and indipendent only for 500 years or so, and after that deportation and such started.
Look, I dont want to go against your strong oppinion, but history has shown time and time again that most conversions dont happen peacefully and are either used as a diplomatic tool by rulers or by force. In that time most peasants probably needed conversion since they where simply not literate enough to "decide for themselves". Afterall, how would the random farmer in central anatolia learn of christian beliefs if not from a missionary?Lie. They converted from their free will. But true the romans did conquered those terrain, but they were pagans by then, not christians. It was just christianity was widespread, and THEN only the roman empire became christian religion. So NOT "they were converted", but "they converted themselves", most times just being opressed because they were christians.
This. I would've thought it obvious given that I'm concerned with the 1821 cutoff--if it were any other game, I'd just mod the end date so I could keep playing.When he said jihad, he ment the achievement of doing a WC with Najd...
I'm going to assume this is just some joking, because if you only consider it "tough" to go after Europe "first", you've obviously never tried doing this.Sorry buddy, but I just can't buy that thing as a Jihad! First of all, the majority of the provinces you've conquered are Islamic or heathens other than true Heretics of Christ, and thus Europe stands left alone. Shouldn't Europe be the first of your target, considering the long history between the two? Granted, I know it can be tough ingame to do so with Najd, but apparently you've succeeded with the rest of the world.
I know, right? If it didn't take me 200 years to fully westernize, and another 125 to catch up in tech, I would've been able to bring order and stability to all of South America and much more of North. le sigh.The New World is totally ridiculous.
Well, cultural domination is indeed noteworthy, but I highly doubt that by 650 the majority of the Lands had been christian for more than around 300-400 years, but I do have to admit that there are few sources to search that so you might indeed be right that it could be considered christian heartland by then. Also remember that by the time the crusades hit most of the lands had been in muslim hands for almost 500 years themselves and where mostly muslim by then. Also the crusades where primarily done by roman catholics and orthodox byzantines.
Look, I dont want to go against your strong oppinion, but history has shown time and time again that most conversions dont happen peacefully and are either used as a diplomatic tool by rulers or by force. In that time most peasants probably needed conversion since they where simply not literate enough to "decide for themselves". Afterall, how would the random farmer in central anatolia learn of christian beliefs if not from a missionary?
Current game (still ongoing) as Timurids to Mughals (Very Hard/Normal Agressivity/No Lucky Nations/Golden Bull Start) at several stages
(D&T 5.11):
Timur Timurid (8/7/9) 10/01/1356 - 12/04/1399
At Timur's death:
PU's:
Ottomans (since 04/05/1358)
Vassals:
Bengal, Kazan, Qara Koyunlu and Sibir
Additional Alliances:
Chagatai, Deva Bengal and Kazakh
Conquered almost all the Il-Khanate Region (Minus Bagdad) + Rajputana (which annexed Sind earlier after being called in a war with Deccan, and Sind, through cascading alliances). Was lucky to get a PU with the Ottos about two years afer gamestart without any interference on my part (their ruler seems to die quite often pretty early from my experience). Crushed the Golden Horde after they got called into my war against the Muzzafarids... but since they became Warleader, couldn't get provinces at lower cost, so just drove them bankrupt, called my troops home in preparation for the unevitable sucession crisis (which happened 3 years later), released Kazan and Sibir and took Kouban.
Took me about 5 1/2 years till the last rebel from the following succession crisis was hunted down.
'Ali II Timurid (7/6/5) 12/04/1399 - 28/11/1436
At 'Ali II's death:
PU's:
Ottomans (since 04/05/1358), Inherited
The Mamlukes (since 03/09/1425)
Vassals:
Ak Koyunlu, Armenia, Bengal, Eretnids, Hedjaz, Kazan, Maharasthra, Maldive, Mysore, Nogai, Sibir and Travanacore
Additional Alliances:
Chagatai, Deva Bengal, Kazakh and Syria
Completed the Conquest of the Il-Khanate Region and (after receiving the mission) conquered the provinces necessary to for the Mughals in two wars (and by the way split several minors out of Deccan, who all soon ended up diplo-vassalised)
Took Mecca (and liberated Hedjaz) from the Mamlukes (allied with Dehli in the first war), and later forced a PU upon them... after that I took back the other provinces in North Africa from Bulgaria (who, along with Trinacria, used the chaos after my first war with the Mamlukes to snatch a few provinces.)
Mahmud II Timurid (7/8/5) 28/11/1436 - ...
PU's:
Chagatai (since 03/09/1457)
Deva Bengal (since 02/09/1457)
Kazakh (since 05/06/1441)
Morocco (since 02/11/1453)
Swahili (since 03/08/1442)
The Mamluks (since 03/09/1425)
Vassals:
Aceh, Ak Koyunlu, Arakan, Armenia, Aru, Bengal, Bihar, Eretnids, Gondawana, Granada, Hedjaz, Kandesh, Kazan, Kedah, Kelantan, Maharasthra, Maldive, Mysore, Najd, Nogai, Oirat Horde, Orissa, Sibir, Travanacore, Yemen and Ziyyanids
*Armenia, Gondwana, Kandesh, Maharasthra, Mysore, Orissa and Travanacore are all Sunni.
Additional Alliances:
Syria
Mainly forced PU's upon several of the bigger muslim nations, Force-vassalized middle sized ones and diplo-vassalized the minors (8 Diplo King + Sphere + Rich Indian Provinces, along with lots of cash from wars with Dehli = Easy Diplo-vassalizing)
Also annexed Mutapa in two wars after they took a few provinces from Swahili while I was at war with them to enforce a PU)
There are now only 5 muslim countries left (+ those I've no access to) that are neither my vassal or Junior in a PU (Deccan, Delhi, Hafsids, Oman and Syria)
Right now waiting for my current King to die (and hopefully inherit one country or two... all my rulers so far lived quite old, suspect that all these PU's are not so unrelated to that) and my Infamy to go a bit down.