[MOD] Homeland, an ahistorical mod for Darkest Hour

[nsr433]

@knightofni

I like your ideas. However in real life hitler wanted peace with the uk and would have loved an alliance with the uk. As it would have united the Saxon peoples in his eyes.

But how will the war with the Soviets change things in terms of what happens after the soviets are defeated or surrenders. Will the CSA try to unite America by declaring war on the occupied west coast of America or declare war on Mexico. Whilst all this goes on what happens in South America. Also what happens when France and BEEF are defeated by Germany and what will the futures of those countries be?

In terms of Japan I think that they will try to conquer all of Asia as they only obeyed treaties that were of use to themselves at that time. I think that after the defeat of France and most of BEEF, Japan should declare war on the whole of the pacific which would cause the UK to move its focus from Europe to Asia to protect the Asian colonies which Japan would love to have by any means necessary. This would give Germany the opportunity to declare neutrality in that war or choose between UK and Japan.

 

[novapaddy]

Thanks Guys for your helpful comments:

This is where I am at the moment:

JAP: owns one-third of North America, so has oil, industry, raw materials, etc., no urgency other than opportunistic/strategic to expand further.
...... if they can settle China, will have huge manpower boost and access to markets and more raw materials
..... Problem India (brit owned), what to do with India.
.... Problem, Soviets/Communists generally in Asia.

China: problems: Cooperating with Jap, but really the Japs are semi-masters.
...... Communists still there, but moving within the pops.
..... problem Tibet(India(Britain))
..... problem Warlords quiet for now, future?

ENGLAND: Problems in Asia vs Jap future plans
..... Stop Communists expansion in France/Sov alliance in Europe
..... How to deal with India, Australia, New Zealand

GER; Survival first
..... need to ally / aid from Britain(or other Power)
.... future expansion, what to do with success?
... maintain alliance with ENG, ally with JAP.. how to work this?

USA: defeated, but still there.
.... still has technologies
.... Can they get a partner and turn out the ENG/JAP, recover?
... what then?

CSA: lucky, achieved independence at right time
.... what now?
.... right wing, ultra-conservative outlook
.... partner with GER?

FRA: allied with SOV and BEEF
.... huge empire, but not defended (not yet, but will be)
.... Problem with JAP expansion plans in Asia
... Problem with ENG being allied with GER
.. lots of problems

SOV: at war with GER, allied with BEEF n FRA
... need for industry, tech, bigger army
... expand communism/russian imperialist really
... need to quieten Asia fronts
.... lose lands in West / South to settle GER issues?
... Defeat ENG and GER, expand in Europe, Scandanavia, Middle East

EDIT:.....................................

I see countries that swap sides.....
.. I see clashes in ideologies, more than anything else causing wars
... I see Empires trying to return to a Time Of Empire...(turn the clock back)
... but has Time itself moved on, are Ideologies now the paramount persuader of peoples..
... States will always seek Power, maintenance of Trade, etc.
.. how will this clash work itself out...

Can a Christian BEEF Federation sit well with Agnostic Communists ?
.. Can France hold itself together, hold its Empire, are French Communists really Imperialists too?

I see China as the key. What happens in China will have a huge bearing on the future, since what happens there will affect FRA/ENG/JAP/SOV enormously.

It is only 1938, and Ideology, Trade, Empire, maintenance of the Status Quo, all these factors weigh heavily on World Leaders.

I see huge turmoil, wars, sudden changes in fortune...


.... lots to do

 

[razorbird789]

the future of this mod looks incredible. i'm gutted i haven't had time to play it yet!
instead of making a french province into colonial affairs why don't you make a mini story and make it like the Britsih raj but called "French Africa" Then you could have the opportunity to expand it later on if the communists gain lots of influence if they beat GER

 

[Gukpa]

Yes Please!

Very good

I will use a epic music And will be ready fast

 

[EmperorWillham]

Thanks Guys for your helpful comments:

This is where I am at the moment:

JAP: owns one-third of North America, so has oil, industry, raw materials, etc., no urgency other than opportunistic/strategic to expand further.
...... if they can settle China, will have huge manpower boost and access to markets and more raw materials
..... Problem India (brit owned), what to do with India.
.... Problem, Soviets/Communists generally in Asia.

China: problems: Cooperating with Jap, but really the Japs are semi-masters.
...... Communists still there, but moving within the pops.
..... problem Tibet(India(Britain))
..... problem Warlords quiet for now, future?

ENGLAND: Problems in Asia vs Jap future plans
..... Stop Communists expansion in France/Sov alliance in Europe
..... How to deal with India, Australia, New Zealand

GER; Survival first
..... need to ally / aid from Britain(or other Power)
.... future expansion, what to do with success?
... maintain alliance with ENG, ally with JAP.. how to work this?

USA: defeated, but still there.
.... still has technologies
.... Can they get a partner and turn out the ENG/JAP, recover?
... what then?

CSA: lucky, achieved independence at right time
.... what now?
.... right wing, ultra-conservative outlook
.... partner with GER?

FRA: allied with SOV and BEEF
.... huge empire, but not defended (not yet, but will be)
.... Problem with JAP expansion plans in Asia
... Problem with ENG being allied with GER
.. lots of problems

SOV: at war with GER, allied with BEEF n FRA
... need for industry, tech, bigger army
... expand communism/russian imperialist really
... need to quieten Asia fronts
.... lose lands in West / South to settle GER issues?
... Defeat ENG and GER, expand in Europe, Scandanavia, Middle East

EDIT:.....................................

I see countries that swap sides.....
.. I see clashes in ideologies, more than anything else causing wars
... I see Empires trying to return to a Time Of Empire...(turn the clock back)
... but has Time itself moved on, are Ideologies now the paramount persuader of peoples..
... States will always seek Power, maintenance of Trade, etc.
.. how will this clash work itself out...

Can a Christian BEEF Federation sit well with Agnostic Communists ?
.. Can France hold itself together, hold its Empire, are French Communists really Imperialists too?

I see China as the key. What happens in China will have a huge bearing on the future, since what happens there will affect FRA/ENG/JAP/SOV enormously.

It is only 1938, and Ideology, Trade, Empire, maintenance of the Status Quo, all these factors weigh heavily on World Leaders.

I see huge turmoil, wars, sudden changes in fortune...


.... lots to do

Mabe the US can partner up with Germany thay may have different beliefs, but the US has a large german population
that will fight for there freedom, + if thing go bad with the brits and japs the US can keep them busy in NA and then Ger can take the UK at home. Or mabe the US can can partner up with the Rusofrench.

 

[razorbird789]

the first target of the USA should probably be the CSA or Mexico. California may be after those two being as Britain and Canada are likely to be much stronger then the CSA, Mexico or Japan especially if Japan is occupied in China, Russia or in a war with Britain or Holland (indonesia)

 

[nsr433]

What about a land grab in china?

Could the Soviets try to affect French elections or French Parliament?

 

[novapaddy]

What about a land grab in china?

Could the Soviets try to affect French elections or French Parliament?

Well at the time the games begins, there is a Communist Government in France (If I remember correctly). So, they will be happy bed-fellows with the Soviets presumably, but being French, possibly not? I mean, the French will have their own ideas and will probably sneer at their "peasant-outlook" Russians. With the French still very much so Empire Builders and Holders, and the Soviets having happily despatched their Tzar and probably the whole "empire-class" of peoples not 20 years previously.. I think there will be a suface-only, or alliance-by-necessity; I don't see a "meeting of minds" like you would have with say ENG and USA today.

So by today's standards, more an Iranian-Egyptian alliance, (common foe), rather than a totally-committed alliance.

I see the Communists (having disappeared off the map in China) as their provinces were conquered, they legged it to Sinkiang, but that was also taken by China.. they have gone to ground, hiding among the pops...

I see them coming back strongly, with SOV support, getting the Warlords active again, causing chaos and hoping to take over the country....Uniting against the "betrayers" who have been happy campers with the JAPS...

JAP will have lots to do yet in China.

 

[novapaddy]

OK my RDD duties are complete for the time being and I can fully concentrate on Homeland...

I mean I'm taking a break from RDD to concentrate on my own mod for a while. I will return to RDD later ...

Ideas for Japan:

I see Japan having Armies East, North, South and West, mimicking GER.
East is in the USA, North in Manchucko, South looking after East Indies (australia... etc) and West looking after China. There will be cross-over as necessary.. where JAP comes up against a huge foe, the separate Armies may combine again.

Jap Army East is going to be more active as there is still land to be conquered in the Americas, north and south...
Jap Army South has plans to invade Australia, NZ, East Indies, French Indochina etc etc.
Jap Army North has its eyes set against SOV with Vladivostok and Siberia well within its sights.
Jap Army West will have to deal with the huge problems awaiting them in China.. as there is much trouble in the offing in Greater China.

I'm going to be concentrating on this area for the next few weeks, and hopefully will make an enjoyable mod out of my efforts.

ENGLAND:
ENG and JAP are allies since the American war, and going forward this alliance will have huge implications for the World...
I like the symmetry of both Jap and Eng, as they are both island nations will similar modern (1930s) outlooks (in MY mind anyway!)

There 2 Powers are going to be the SuperPowers of the late 1930s and 1940s, unless the player has other ideas...
But ENG will have to trade land with JAP as they cannot both be Masters of the same lands at once... So in Asia especially, expect changes
... I'm going to be giving the player more choices as regards what happens, so I'll be trying to get rid of all the "one-option", non-choices that were a feature of the first modding attempt.

ENG and JAP see the USA, FRA, SOV .. and BEEF as competitors, so they may well fully support a GER emergence in Western and Eastern Europe, if GER can survive.. but GER may well have friends who may send them material aid where necessary...
I seen GER ENG and JAP as being happy bedfellows, with similar outlooks on the world... the pre-eminence of Trade, Industry, Empire, being Masters of subservient other nations, with an abhorrence of Communism and Socialism.

In Europe, some smaller nations may well "catch-the-mood" and swap sides in the wars they are involved in.
The Soviets and French are going to have to be much stronger and much more organised to stop the onslaught from the Twin Alliance (just thought of that term now!)

....

 

[novapaddy]

I've started to use Mind Mapping software to keep track of all the events in Homeland.

I'm using Mind42.com.. free to use and web-based. Been using it for 10 minutes now, I'm impressed with its simplicity.

I'd recommend it for you modders.

 

[knightofni]

@knightofni
I like your ideas. However in real life hitler wanted peace with the uk and would have loved an alliance with the uk. As it would have united the Saxon peoples in his eyes.

Well, yeah i know about that. But England did not wanted of that alliance, because agreeing to it would have been implicitly acknowledging german hegemony in Europe and a secondary role of britain - and that was not acceptable for britain.

I completely agree with your other ideas.

JAP: owns one-third of North America, so has oil, industry, raw materials, etc., no urgency other than opportunistic/strategic to expand further.
...... if they can settle China, will have huge manpower boost and access to markets and more raw materials
..... Problem India (brit owned), what to do with India.
.... Problem, Soviets/Communists generally in Asia.

A little comment on this np : of course after the victory JAP can exploit north america's resources [but is there oil in what they grab ?]. But that's not a potential long-term addition to the empire. It's far from the empire, a big land, a lot of population, and most importantly, a lot of neighbors that won't be necessary friendly.

Of course DH doesnt really model 'long-term' (ie : 1-2 generations), but here i think it's safe to say that Japan can't really regard this a long-term holding. The best outcome - and what should be the diplomatic line of JAP in the americans - is to keep partitioned states, to avoid the emergence of a rival Pacific power.

So in JAP's mind, the situation is as follows :
1] We just got lucky, and at the same time got rid of our strongest potential ennemy, and got access to the resources.
2] However, we might or might not be able to hold on those resources for a long time. There's uncertainty there.
3] So we can use the pacific power vaccum to seize Asia Pacific resources, which will be easier to hold on to.
4] We should start with non-Commonwealth aligned states , and then, when the time is right, strike the asian commonwealth all at once.

I make no comments on China because i am in complete agreement with what you wrote

Well at the time the games begins, there is a Communist Government in France (If I remember correctly). So, they will be happy bed-fellows with the Soviets presumably, but being French, possibly not? I mean, the French will have their own ideas and will probably sneer at their "peasant-outlook" Russians. With the French still very much so Empire Builders and Holders, and the Soviets having happily despatched their Tzar and probably the whole "empire-class" of peoples not 20 years previously.. I think there will be a suface-only, or alliance-by-necessity; I don't see a "meeting of minds" like you would have with say ENG and USA today.

I don't think there were communist government in france in that timeframe. Many socialists ones (PRS & SFIO), but never communists. In the mod, they are Social Liberals, as in reality.

However, from what i know, it was quite fashionable in France to have very pro-communist / pro-Moscow ideas until the late 70s early 80s - in the government and intellectual circles. The communist ideal of equality among men resonate quite strongly in France. Furthermore, there have been a lot of cultural exchanges between France & Russia since the late XVIII century - most of the russian nobility spoke french - which was somehow cut after October 1917, but reestablished after ww2.

So you have a case to make it a bit more than an alliance of circumstances, though it would create a lot of waves in the french society : a lot of people would support it, and a whole lot would hate it.


Regarding ENG & JAP : So if i understand properly, you see them as competing superpowers ? Maybe avoiding a full / total war, but waging proxy wars for diverse land in Asia ? It's true that invading the home island of each others could be complex...

Regarding ENG & Europe : I did some extra thinking, and the situation is quite complex for ENG. Summarizing :
1] The foreign policy of UK has been the same for 500 years : avoiding the emergence of a unified, continental European power. For this they have fought with the dutch against the spaniards, with the spaniards against the french, with the germans against the french, and with the french against the germans. This is the paramount policy.
2] The spread of communism and its deleterious influence should be checked. That is the secondary policy.

That's the framework of decision. To apply it to the current situation :
a] GER is the defender, BEEF is the aggressor. The defender is usually holding the status quo, which is what UK wants to protect. So UK should protect GER independance. Note that this means that in case of GER victory, they can't accept GER annexing major parts of eastern europe. Minor territory concessions, reparation payments, fortress dismantlements and balkanization of countries would be the way to go.

b] If we add SOV and FRA into the fray, ENG might think that the cost of fighting all those power combined is too high. There they could support the BEEF, hoping to explode germany in some sort of pre-1871 state [a bit like in KR when france wins]. The risk is to weaken Europe too much vs SOV, but if done properly it can be a smart gamble.


There's something i don't get, is that why SOV is allied with BEEF. For gameplay reasons i understand [makes a cool, titanic war]. But for strategic / diplomatic reasons it's a bit surprising : Russia & Eastern europe are ennemies for centuries...

 

[whatguts]

I've started to use Mind Mapping software to keep track of all the events in Homeland.

I'm using Mind42.com.. free to use and web-based. Been using it for 10 minutes now, I'm impressed with its simplicity.

I'd recommend it for you modders.

what program is that? or is it a website? i'll make organization a hell lot easier, wanna share the secret?

 

[novapaddy]

@whatguts: It's in the post.. Mind42.com... you do it all online.. saves ok, and still there on return. Very simple to use.

EDIT: @knightofni: Lots there to chew over.. thanks for your input.

SOV and BEEF alliance against the greater threat of GER. Although I think in the end, POL get big-headed and think they don't need the SOVs, foolish mistake...

 

[whatguts]

@whatguts: It's in the post.. Mind42.com... you do it all online.. saves ok, and still there on return. Very simple to use.

EDIT: @knightofni: Lots there to chew over.. thanks for your input.

SOV and BEEF alliance against the greater threat of GER. Although I think in the end, POL get big-headed and think they don't need the SOVs, foolish mistake...

sorry, i was captivated by the future of this mod

 

[novapaddy]

I just wrote my first ever Decision:

 

[razorbird789]

who is that for? that's some hefty bonus troops... i hope Japan can cope it, struggles against China as it is and that's with some men left in California..... Otherwise the redo looks great!!

 

[whatguts]

I just wrote my first ever Decision:

nice!

 

[Timmie0307]

Looks great the event. I think it is necessary to beef up China a bit. Or nerf Japan with all those Marines!

Anyway I guess that SOV needs a bit of nerfing or some sort of opposition. Maybe BEEF and JAP combined with either UK or GER. The problem is, if BEEF fights the SOV, GER could very well backstab them. And then UK would not support GER against a later SOV war. Therefore, it is quite complicated.

Nevertheless the USA needs some sort of 3-4 way civil war. The Southern Conference versus Rump USA versus Pacific States? versus Canada?

Tim

 

[novapaddy]

who is that for? that's some hefty bonus troops... i hope Japan can cope it, struggles against China as it is and that's with some men left in California..... Otherwise the redo looks great!!

On play-test, Jap still creams China, despite the bonus troops. More work needed.

Looks great the event. I think it is necessary to beef up China a bit. Or nerf Japan with all those Marines!

Anyway I guess that SOV needs a bit of nerfing or some sort of opposition. Maybe BEEF and JAP combined with either UK or GER. The problem is, if BEEF fights the SOV, GER could very well backstab them. And then UK would not support GER against a later SOV war. Therefore, it is quite complicated.
Nevertheless the USA needs some sort of 3-4 way civil war. The Southern Conference versus Rump USA versus Pacific States? versus Canada?
Tim

I'm tending towards the Chinese not uniting into one handy country (easier modding!), but staying in the Warlord factions for much longer. I have an uprising at the start of the game (decision you see above), which the Warlords can join or not?

There are lots of "balancing" and ai issues to be sorted out.

nice!

Yes, I was pleasantly surprised to see my first Decision in the "flesh".

 

[nsr433]

England would be furious if AUS AND NZL were attacked be the Japanese and would Declare war on JAP, and if JAP invades south America, would certainly help the south american countries. With Japan being so militant, an attack against AUS and NZL could lead to IND being controlled directly by ENG rather than have a puppet regime. OR form an alliance with CHINA against JAP.