• We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.
Ah ok. I didn't know if you were still going to go with the assassination since you said in a earlier post that the cause of the Great War was yet to be determined. Maybe you could have FF die somewhere else? Maybe a visit to the Italian regions of the empire could produce a similar outcome? Italy and Austria did have it out for each other but those are just my thoughts, I don't want to overwhelm you with too many alternate events. Btw could you put up your timeline for this mod? I'm curious how many things have changed compared to our timeline.
 
Ah ok. I didn't know if you were still going to go with the assassination since you said in a earlier post that the cause of the Great War was yet to be determined. Maybe you could have FF die somewhere else? Maybe a visit to the Italian regions of the empire could produce a similar outcome? Italy and Austria did have it out for each other but those are just my thoughts, I don't want to overwhelm you with too many alternate events. Btw could you put up your timeline for this mod? I'm curious how many things have changed compared to our timeline.
Well I kind of need help with the timeline too...
I will say most of history went down the same path more or less till the the 16th century.
Of course the events in the first world war will lead to great alternatives.
That's where I was gonna have the biggest change, but now I will have more options.
However the U.S. Does exist, Napoleon was defeated, the British were the dominant power of the 19th century, and Germany was formed.


The major pointed divergence in this timeline is probably the creation of Lanya, but that took place a few thousand years prior.
I know this is a lot of time in between, however I want to keep the timeline recognizable but still make it unique.

PS: The Resistance Series had their version of The First World War started by an Entente invasion of German Togoland.
This might be an interesting scenario to consider?
 
Frankly, I'd have to disapprove of Lanya in its current state. A nation stuck in the Adriatic, completely surrounded by A-H, and with no naval bases in the med whatsoever.

How did they even manage to colonise anything again? I'm suspect of its ability to even exert its influence in its own backyard, nevermind anywhere else. Remember, the Med was a hotbed of naval activity for centuries- so very high standards here, and I see little reason why this would be different in this mod either. Make sure you give it a few naval bases to exert influence, and I'm not sure where Lanya colonised exactly, but it most definitely needs a way out of the Med, whether it be direct control of Gibraltar or Suez, or a long history of friendship with whomever that holds it. A colonial empire is rather difficult to run if your only routes to your colonies can be cut off by your enemies at a whim.

Remember, the great colonial empires of OTL were able to carve out their colonies because they had free access to the Atlantic.

Oh, and you'd probably want to think about how the A-H, Lanya, Ottoman relations in the Balkans worked, to come up with a plausible reason just how Lanya managed to have enough resources to go out colonising in the first place instead of busying itself in trying to stay independent while being squished between the two.
 
Frankly, I'd have to disapprove of Lanya in its current state. A nation stuck in the Adriatic, completely surrounded by A-H, and with no naval bases in the med whatsoever.

How did they even manage to colonise anything again? I'm suspect of its ability to even exert its influence in its own backyard, nevermind anywhere else. Remember, the Med was a hotbed of naval activity for centuries- so very high standards here, and I see little reason why this would be different in this mod either. Make sure you give it a few naval bases to exert influence, and I'm not sure where Lanya colonised exactly, but it most definitely needs a way out of the Med, whether it be direct control of Gibraltar or Suez, or a long history of friendship with whomever that holds it. A colonial empire is rather difficult to run if your only routes to your colonies can be cut off by your enemies at a whim.

Remember, the great colonial empires of OTL were able to carve out their colonies because they had free access to the Atlantic.

Oh, and you'd probably want to think about how the A-H, Lanya, Ottoman relations in the Balkans worked, to come up with a plausible reason just how Lanya managed to have enough resources to go out colonising in the first place instead of busying itself in trying to stay independent while being squished between the two.
Yeah, might need some help with this one.
I could give Lanya possible control of Morocco, but I think they would have to control it for almost 500 years.
And that's a long time...
As for its present location, this is the only place I could seem to put it.
However if you have other suggestions I'm always open.

As for A-H, Lanya, Ottoman relations, I need help with this one.
My original idea was for where Lanya was formed to counter ottoman Islamic influence,
and at first it's existence was tolerated by the holy roman empire and the later Austrian empire, due to it's alignment with Christianity.
But I figure this wouldn't Last for long.
 
There are two points which you should probably consider first to determine the history of Lanya: Whether Croatia/Lanya is, or was, considered part of the Crown of St. Stephen, and how far the Ottomans managed to expand in the 15~16th centuries. But remember to keep the end result in mind, as well as the presence of Russia.

What you just said in your post above seems like a rather unlikely scenario at best though. You would first need a reason for Austria to have made it an independent nation in the first place, and even if it did, it seems highly unlikely that it would be able to stay independent in face of the Ottoman threat. Its dependency on Austria would make it easily subsumed by the latter.
 
Emperor, have any chance of having that state which I suggested before?
 
Emperor, have any chance of having that state which I suggested before?
Well...
I don't think I will have a huge Civil War in the U.S.
Maybe in the future?
But I will have a lot of flavor events, and some other secret goodies for them. :)

However there something I would ask you, I've been looking up some stuff about Brazil,
and lo and behold I find out that the Brazilian empire had more liberty than the Republic that came after it.
So I think I would like to have the empire to continue to exist, due to its interesting nature.

In seeing as your very interested in Brazil, I was wondering if you could help out with some information about it?
 
Well, the main problem it was because the coup happened due the neglicence of the emperor with the farmers after the abolition of slavery, so I doubt it could survives (the emperor was too old to, so he almost colaborated with the coup refusing to crush it), maybe if they crowned his daughter, or if he paid the indenization, the empire could have survived

But the main problem with that it is that the Republic made the heavy industry in Brazil, so without it, Brazil would have been just the biggest farm in earth until modern day, nothing more than that
 
Well, the main problem it was because the coup happened due the neglicence of the emperor with the farmers after the abolition of slavery, so I doubt it could survives (the emperor was too old to, so he almost colaborated with the coup refusing to crush it), maybe if they crowned his daughter, or if he paid the indenization, the empire could have survived

But the main problem with that it is that the Republic made the heavy industry in Brazil, so without it, Brazil would have been just the biggest farm in earth until modern day, nothing more than that
So what you suggest I do with Brazil, and possibly south American in general?
 
So be it...


But if you wanna to see a very different scenario, well in 1938 the Brazilian version of the NSDAP (the AIB that means ação integralista brasileira) tried to coup the president Vargas, they failed and were arrested. You can make them succed in the mod, that way Brazil will be turned in a national socialist dictatoriship a hundred percent aligned with the axis (But won't join the war, since the brazilian policy is isolationist)

Their flag:
Bandeira_Brigadas.jpg
 
But if you wanna to see a very different scenario, well in 1938 the Brazilian version of the NSDAP (the AIB that means ação integralista brasileira) tried to coup the president Vargas, they failed and were arrested. You can make them succed in the mod, that way Brazil will be turned in a national socialist dictatoriship a hundred percent aligned with the axis (But won't join the war, since the brazilian policy is isolationist)

Their flag:
Bandeira_Brigadas.jpg
I don't know.
I don't think they could have pull it off.
Besides, doesn't Brazil already have a dictator during this period?


Anyway on another note, thinking about dialing the Great War era scenario date back a bit,
to give people a little more time to experience the age before it's turned inside out by The First World War.
I'm thinking about 1912 or maybe 1910.

Also last note, if anyone wants to help with the timeline, just send me messages on my profile.

PS: But nothing too ridiculous.
If you don't want to help that's fine, it's completely voluntary. :)
 
Last edited:
Brazil was on the "Estado novo" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vargas_Era . It wasn't considered a dictatoriship but it wasn't democratic, because it haven't elections for president,m but Vargas was so loved that most of the people couldn't even think about him leaving the power.

Well, so leave it as the US aligned Brazil of Vargas era ^^
 
Brazil was on the "Estado novo" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vargas_Era . It wasn't considered a dictatoriship but it wasn't democratic, because it haven't elections for president,m but Vargas was so loved that most of the people couldn't even think about him leaving the power.

Well, so leave it as the US aligned Brazil of Vargas era ^^
They wanted him to stay?
I don't know how the people Brazil could put up with authoritarian rule since the fall of their empire.
I guess some people have different values.

Then again what are values, compared to economic development?


What do you think if Argentina is a monarchy? Or an empire?
Could that have actually happened?
 
Getúlio Vargas industrialized Brazil, even today he is considered a national hero (and our best president), he created the state oil company (Petrobras) that until today is the biggest brazilian corporation, also he was so popular, that when the dictatoriship ended, he was elected senator and president again

My Uncle voted for Vargas in 1950, and he said me:

"Vargas was a so wonderfull leader, that when his dictatoriship ended, the people voted him back to be our president once again"
 
Getúlio Vargas industrialized Brazil, even today he is considered a national hero (and our best president), he created the state oil company (Petrobras) that until today is the biggest brazilian corporation, also he was so popular, that when the dictatoriship ended, he was elected senator and president again

My Uncle voted for Vargas in 1950, and he said me:

"Vargas was a so wonderfull leader, that when his dictatoriship ended, the people voted him back to be our president once again"
Really? I figured he industrialize Brazil, but I thought he had secret police, crackdown on political enemies, and did typical authoritarian stuff.
It would seem there's more to this guy than I had realized.

PS: I appreciate you sharing a personal story.
Wait, your really from Brazil? Cool.
 
Last edited:
Really? I figured he industrialize Brazil, but I thought he had secret police, crackdown on political enemies, and did typical authoritarian stuff.
It would seem there's more to this guy than I had realized.

PS: I appreciate you sharing a personal story.
Wait, your really from Brazil? Cool.

He did that typical dictator stuff, in his government 7000 people were arrested, and during the revolts of the commies in 1934 and the integralists in 1938, a thousand people died, but he was a good leader and if you ask any Brazilian who was our best president, he cleary will answer that was Vargas.
 
He did that typical dictator stuff, in his government 7000 people were arrested, and during the revolts of the commies in 1934 and the integralists in 1938, a thousand people died, but he was a good leader and if you ask any Brazilian who was our best president, he cleary will answer that was Vargas.
So basically it's like a Stalin scenario.
Were you have a leader who is seen as a dictator and had people killed,
but whose programs led to the mass industrialization and overall transformation of an agricultural society into an industrial one,
and is remembered by their people for making the country powerful.

The Vargas Era, could be interesting to explore in the mod.

I think I'm going to add in a 1912 scenario, like I said before.
What do you think?

Also what was brazil's history like during the 1910s?