I am playing Rumania and would like to have some tanks....how do I research them as I can not find a way to do so?
Singleton Mosby said:I am playing Rumania and would like to have some tanks....how do I research them as I can not find a way to do so?
JRaup said:I'm going off of a slightly scatter brained memory here, so this may not be 100% correct. IIRC, you must reach a certain industrial level, and then opt for one of the tech paths, either domestic production or foreign purchase for Armor in the armor tech tree. I don;t recall at what level you get what though..
baylox said:I don't think there are Industrial tree connections to the Armor tree, so there is something at play here with the Armor tree. Do you know if you can build various armor brigades? The ability to build an armored division we judged as too much for minors, so this might be the problem here, but you should be able to build some kind of armor-based brigade that you can attach to your infantry.
Playing as Hungary I didn't manage to build an armored division until 1940, or perhaps even later.
baylox said:The game cannot be made to interpret such conquerings and move a "minor" to a "major" status. You still need to research Observers, Mech Cavalry and then 19xx Armored Division tech (or so, I'm just writing this from my head - this is what I had to do as Hungary, at least).
Let me know if it works out for you!
baylox said:The game cannot be made to interpret such conquerings and move a "minor" to a "major" status. You still need to research Observers, Mech Cavalry and then 19xx Armored Division tech (or so, I'm just writing this from my head - this is what I had to do as Hungary, at least).
Let me know if it works out for you!
I cannot say that I've heard any complaints about the current system so far, but then again most play either of the major powers.Horza said:I think the minor/major distinction will cause problems, and be pretty unpopular. Mostly because there are a lot of players who manage ridiculously ahistorical expansions with minor powers. However it should be possible as either Nationalist or Communist China to unite China early and aim for major power status. If them why not Hungary, Romania and others? Maybe it shouldn't be entirely possible in the time frame (China and Japan took much longer than ten years) but a good start on the process should bbe possible.
At its heart aren't you connecting raw IC and minor/major power status? Is there any possibility of modding to create new 'research' buildings like reactors and rocket test sites? Existing major powers could get 'major industrial centres', 'tank schools' and 'domestic air industry' buildings - expanding minor powers could build them, at great cost, allowing feasible research of the gateway techs into Armoured divisions etc. Get enough IC together and you can gain major power status.
I'm guessing the game isn't that moddable, but it would be an interesting possiblity (though suspiciously akin to an RTS style of play)
No. They did the same thing with their armor as the French. The closest thing the Czechs had to a real armored division was 4 motorized divisions. However, as I said, it was an issue of doctrine and training. The Czechs actually had more tanks (and better ones) in 1938 than the Germans did.baylox said:Did Czechoslovakia field actual armored divisions?
ShadoWarrior said:No. They did the same thing with their armor as the French. The closest thing the Czechs had to a real armored division was 4 motorized divisions. However, as I said, it was an issue of doctrine and training. The Czechs actually had more tanks (and better ones) in 1938 than the Germans did.
I just took exception to you using "apparatus revolving around designing and building tanks" as a rationale for minor nations not having armored divisions. That may hold true for most nations, but not all. As long as the only thing preventing a nation like Czechoslovakia from having armored divisions in CORE is not having (yet) researched the proper doctrine, I'm fine with it. Czechoslovakia should have the same opportunity to build armored divisions as France has.
baylox said:I don't think there are Industrial tree connections to the Armor tree, so there is something at play here with the Armor tree. Do you know if you can build various armor brigades? The ability to build an armored division we judged as too much for minors, so this might be the problem here, but you should be able to build some kind of armor-based brigade that you can attach to your infantry.
The Czechs actually had more tanks (and better ones) in 1938 than the Germans did.
All other nations relied primarily on foreign equipment, or foreign design (in cases of Hungary and Sweden foreign designed equipment re-designed to suit their needs) for their armoured forces.
Anyway, minors do get armoured divisions, just not to the same level of armour as major nations. Their units will use older equipment, lighter equipment, and fewer individual tanks per division. Looking at the few nations who actually developed armoured divisions that were not the major nations (Canada and Australia are lumped in with Czechoslovakia, and get the full tree), being primarily Spain, Romania and Hungary, their divisions tended to be full of old equipment, and usually not the same amounts of equipment, as comparable contemporary major nations.