I'm playing as Vandad in the Karen start and i married my sister. We're both persians and zoroastrians, but i am called Satrap Vandad and she is called Emira Farah.
Is this a bug?
Is this a bug?
Female zoroastrian consort called emira?
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Its been in the game for a while now. I can remember people complaining about this around when OId Gods launched years ago. Its unlikely to change.
I don't think there's a duchess consort version of the Persian Duke title. So it just did the Muslim one?
The Arabian, not the muslim one. It's culture related, not religion AFAIK.
Emir/Amir comes from the Persian 'Mir.' Ideally, she'd be styled as simply 'mir' rather than 'mira,' as Persian has no grammatical gender.
I don't think we actually have many sources on the wives of Satraps (and how they were styled,) but I'm sure it's out there. Bambishn referred to a wife of a Shah, but...
I don't think we actually have many sources on the wives of Satraps (and how they were styled,) but I'm sure it's out there. Bambishn referred to a wife of a Shah, but...
Emir is Arabic for Prince, though. With the feminine being "Emira". Which is where the game is getting the title, I'm guessing.
I'm looking at Wikipedia and my own knowledge (fluent in Arabic), I think you have it backwards?
Straight from Wikipedia: Mir (مير) (which is derived from the Arabic title Emir 'general, prince') is a rare ruler's title in princely states and an aristocratic title generally used to refer to a person who is a descendant of a commander in medieval Muslim tradition.
I think I did have it backwards, sorry.
In any case, I'm genuinely curious if there was a dedicated title for the wife of a Satrap. Apparently, female marzobans are called Shaykah, as well, but I can guarantee that there's no title for 'female consort of a marzoban.'
I'm aware. It's kind of an odd situation, since Marzoban and Shaykah have nothing to do with each other, not just in a cultural and linguistic sense, but also in what the title infers. And seeing "countess" would be kind of ridiculous, but... there's not a lot of choice.
persian speaker here
Satrap is actually greek for a middle persian word and in modern persian it has become Shahrban, with the feminine title being Shahrbanu (literally lady of the land); for both a wife of a Shahrban and a ruling female, just like a Banbishn which is an older word. With some generalization, countess can be translated into Marzobanu, though I'm not sure because the term Marzoban is a bit outdated (marzban in modern persian means border gurad) but i have heard it as a girls name.
and sorry for upping a topic so old lol
Satrap is actually greek for a middle persian word and in modern persian it has become Shahrban, with the feminine title being Shahrbanu (literally lady of the land); for both a wife of a Shahrban and a ruling female, just like a Banbishn which is an older word. With some generalization, countess can be translated into Marzobanu, though I'm not sure because the term Marzoban is a bit outdated (marzban in modern persian means border gurad) but i have heard it as a girls name.
and sorry for upping a topic so old lol
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