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((It's called political rhetoric. It just has to sound good. And, to be fair, it does.))
Santa Rosa, enough with your pointless "we can work something out" nonsense! Either come out and announce that you're against us or don't! It's obvious at this point that neither side is going to make any concessions, and pretending that this atrocity can be worked out by cowardly centrism, pointless compromises, and delaying the problem until it bubbles up and tears the nation apart will not change that. The time for moderation is over, your day came and it has gone. Accept that and be done with your useless prattling.
Dear Congreso, I have been worried by many different issues here. We are going through a time of troubles and I want to discuss why.
I fear for the destruction of this glorious republic and our democracy who I hold such high regards. I fear that we might return to the imperial times, where people hid in mountain passes for saying what they really felt. Twice we have had reactionary uprisings since the 3rd republic started. And both of these were direct attempts at coups by fellow congressmen.
You owe us the ability to run for office and publish your views openly without the fear of a secret police or anything. You socialists speak of oppression, the which only you people feel. Our only obligation to the people here is to respect other people's opinions, and surprisingly there's people who even oppose that. You speak openly of killing liberals and high ranking government people to "free" the masses and it worries me that then you claim we oppress you (we have never even thought of any kind of political persecution).
Oh, Santa Rosa, always conciliatory. It is you whom we owe our democracy, but it saddens me to see you defending hopeless causes. You are too innocent to see that this coup is nothing else than a grab for power. Yes, honestly there are no other feasible motives to side with this coup, and if they were I would gladly support it. But there isn't even a single other motive rather than "mr. ambitious" being angry at not wining a completly fair democratic election and attacking directly Andonie because Andonie won and he didn't. Andonie has as much right to choose his cabinet as the chief of staff has to choose the generals. You said you and your party were going to vote communist and you didn't, then you attack our president claiming he owes you cabinet positions. I do not remember Andonie buying votes, so he owes nothing to you, Severino.
Other than these rants, I want to emphasize the turbulent period we are going through. Every election there's a different kind of uprising and more people die, so I am really worried about our republic. We liberales will make the best to make it last, but will it be enough? Not without the people. We need you all.
-Tarquino Zepeda, liberal politician.
I fear for the destruction of this glorious republic and our democracy who I hold such high regards. I fear that we might return to the imperial times, where people hid in mountain passes for saying what they really felt. Twice we have had reactionary uprisings since the 3rd republic started. And both of these were direct attempts at coups by fellow congressmen.
You owe us the ability to run for office and publish your views openly without the fear of a secret police or anything. You socialists speak of oppression, the which only you people feel. Our only obligation to the people here is to respect other people's opinions, and surprisingly there's people who even oppose that. You speak openly of killing liberals and high ranking government people to "free" the masses and it worries me that then you claim we oppress you (we have never even thought of any kind of political persecution).
Oh, Santa Rosa, always conciliatory. It is you whom we owe our democracy, but it saddens me to see you defending hopeless causes. You are too innocent to see that this coup is nothing else than a grab for power. Yes, honestly there are no other feasible motives to side with this coup, and if they were I would gladly support it. But there isn't even a single other motive rather than "mr. ambitious" being angry at not wining a completly fair democratic election and attacking directly Andonie because Andonie won and he didn't. Andonie has as much right to choose his cabinet as the chief of staff has to choose the generals. You said you and your party were going to vote communist and you didn't, then you attack our president claiming he owes you cabinet positions. I do not remember Andonie buying votes, so he owes nothing to you, Severino.
Other than these rants, I want to emphasize the turbulent period we are going through. Every election there's a different kind of uprising and more people die, so I am really worried about our republic. We liberales will make the best to make it last, but will it be enough? Not without the people. We need you all.
-Tarquino Zepeda, liberal politician.
((Why do people always seem to reply ICly to OOC comments? German's the mad one here.))
((I miss Germán sometimes. Too bad. And sorry for replying IC to OOC.. tends to happen sometimes))
He clearly bought your vote, Senor Zepeda.
I have established from the very beginning of this action that it was my intention to have Senor Rivera - a Republicano - assume the role of Provisional President, not myself. I have called for no alterations to the cabinet or demanded any army appointments. I have not even requested that the Partido Nacional be given the representation in cabinet it was originally promised. I have made it explicitly clear that my sole aim is to bring justice to Senor Andonie and uphold the democratic character of the Republic. You have no excuse for thinking otherwise, save the excuse of dishonesty.
Senor Andonie did not win an election. He stole an election from the people, and from my party. After the Nacionales - the ones you malign as power-hungry and self-interested - gave up their own bid for the presidency in order to secure Senor Andonie's victory, he abandoned them. It was the conditions of the Grand Coalition that the Partido Nacional be given representation in cabinet in return for their support. Senor Andonie violated these conditions, and so he was elected on a lie. This election was a sham. Even Senor Andonie's supporters can see that, excusing those who are deluded.
- V. Severino
I have established from the very beginning of this action that it was my intention to have Senor Rivera - a Republicano - assume the role of Provisional President, not myself. I have called for no alterations to the cabinet or demanded any army appointments. I have not even requested that the Partido Nacional be given the representation in cabinet it was originally promised. I have made it explicitly clear that my sole aim is to bring justice to Senor Andonie and uphold the democratic character of the Republic. You have no excuse for thinking otherwise, save the excuse of dishonesty.
Senor Andonie did not win an election. He stole an election from the people, and from my party. After the Nacionales - the ones you malign as power-hungry and self-interested - gave up their own bid for the presidency in order to secure Senor Andonie's victory, he abandoned them. It was the conditions of the Grand Coalition that the Partido Nacional be given representation in cabinet in return for their support. Senor Andonie violated these conditions, and so he was elected on a lie. This election was a sham. Even Senor Andonie's supporters can see that, excusing those who are deluded.
- V. Severino
Courier: Senor Severino! A letter has come from a certain "?Bautista?" Anyway, here it is, complete with red ink and a hammer and sickle wax seal!
It has come to my attention that you did not learn in all of your years in politics that people lie. If, by some chance you have merely forgotten this fact, then let me also remind you that politicians cheat, steal, oppress, and scheme. Still, I encourage you to fight on the floor of the Congreso, to scheme in dark halls, to stab your allies in their proverbial backs! Since it has apparently been done to you, you see no qualm in carrying out even greater levels of treachery against the political system you so valiantly say you fight for. What Andonie did was dishonorable and typical of politicians in this day and age; what you did however was treason.
--Basilio Bautista--
It has come to my attention that you did not learn in all of your years in politics that people lie. If, by some chance you have merely forgotten this fact, then let me also remind you that politicians cheat, steal, oppress, and scheme. Still, I encourage you to fight on the floor of the Congreso, to scheme in dark halls, to stab your allies in their proverbial backs! Since it has apparently been done to you, you see no qualm in carrying out even greater levels of treachery against the political system you so valiantly say you fight for. What Andonie did was dishonorable and typical of politicians in this day and age; what you did however was treason.
--Basilio Bautista--
I have received yet another petition to withdraw in favour of challenging Senor Andonie on the political stage, rather than on the streets. As with all such petitions, the author misunderstands my intent. Say I did stand down. Say I slid into the background like a snake and bided my time, plotting and conspiring, waiting for an opportunity to destroy the tyrant and usurp the presidency for myself. What would I achieve by vengefully skulking in the shadows except to perpetuate the very system that I now seek to expose? How would I reverse the legacy of Andonie if I simply adopted his schemes? Political manoeuvring is not the solution to this crisis - it is the cause.
This is not just about Senor Andonie. He is but the symptom of a greater disease - a malignancy that is rotting the Republic from the inside. The mandate of power has passed from the people to a cabal of conspirators. Imperceptibly, our proud republic has reverted to a fiefdom of the robber barons - Chilean now, instead of Spanish, but just as indifferent to the will of the people and the wellbeing of the nation. Every term or so, they adopt a new face and a new party, but it is the same men behind the curtain, giving instructions to the actors on stage. I know this because I was once their agent. But no more. Now, I tear down the curtain and expose these men for what they are - manipulators of elections, and deniers of popular power!
To all the patriots and true citizens of Chile, this I declare: it is time to take our country back. It is time to bring an end to the oligarchy that has dominated our nation from the shadows. It is time to uphold the legacy of O'Higgins and San Martin, of de Santa Rosa and Santandera. It is time to restore the Republic that has been stolen from us and expel from the palace of power the frauds and imposters who subordinate our nation to their selfish whims.
¡Abajo la tiranía! ¡Viva la República Popular!
- V. Severino
This is not just about Senor Andonie. He is but the symptom of a greater disease - a malignancy that is rotting the Republic from the inside. The mandate of power has passed from the people to a cabal of conspirators. Imperceptibly, our proud republic has reverted to a fiefdom of the robber barons - Chilean now, instead of Spanish, but just as indifferent to the will of the people and the wellbeing of the nation. Every term or so, they adopt a new face and a new party, but it is the same men behind the curtain, giving instructions to the actors on stage. I know this because I was once their agent. But no more. Now, I tear down the curtain and expose these men for what they are - manipulators of elections, and deniers of popular power!
To all the patriots and true citizens of Chile, this I declare: it is time to take our country back. It is time to bring an end to the oligarchy that has dominated our nation from the shadows. It is time to uphold the legacy of O'Higgins and San Martin, of de Santa Rosa and Santandera. It is time to restore the Republic that has been stolen from us and expel from the palace of power the frauds and imposters who subordinate our nation to their selfish whims.
¡Abajo la tiranía! ¡Viva la República Popular!
- V. Severino
I would laugh Senor if this was not so serious. You conveniently forget that it was your schemes, your lies your devious plans that made this happen. But like any person blinded by righteousness you fail to see this. You even admitted to lying although in a classic case of self deception you called it a "misconception". You would have more of a case if you had not trieds the very same things.
Presidente Andonie
I make no reservation in laughing. Even now, after all this time and all this rhetoric, you are still ignorant of what is obvious:
I am atoning for my past complicity in this corrupt system, Senor Andonie. You have embraced it.
- V. Severino
I am atoning for my past complicity in this corrupt system, Senor Andonie. You have embraced it.
- V. Severino
Bill of Ideological Education
"With the emerge of new ideologies and political thought, more recently I refere to Socialism, I believe it is time for Chilean schools to put more weight on social science and accept it as an educational lesson. In a democracy if one party gets a majority, then it is not always a 'democratic' legtimite government in my eyes. It is not a democratic election if the people do not know where it is they place their votes, and what they exactly are voting for. If one asks who Edmund Burke is then many in Chile would not know. It is important that the Chilean schools educate the students in these ideological thinkers, and learn what it is exactly their ideology stands behind. I feel many chileans are being misdirected by the speeches of our politicans, and get the wrong idea of what Conservatism, Liberalism and Socialism is. Recently the Communists have put a great amount of weight, that Socialism is all about the worker. I have personally studied his work, and while I find Karl Marx admirable then I do not agree that his message goes entirely to the worker. In order for our Chilean population to know what Karl Marx is truely preaching, and not what the Communists are preaching, then they must read his, and many other works of ideologal thinkers.
Furthermore we must also educate our population in our democratic ways of life, they must learn how a dictatorship functions, and why we have a democracy in Chile and all its benefits. Some politicians want a dictatorship and a portion of the people might want the same, but the truth is none have truely learned how it is to live under such conditions, and I mean especially our youth. This bill will ensure that Chileans will have a substantial amount of knowledge of our three main ideological thinkers;
Edmund Burke - the father of Conservatism
John Locke - the father of Liberalism
and Karl Marx - father of Socialism. This bill i wish to put forward for Congreso. I have ensured as Minister of the Treasury, that we have a large economic surplus, which I wish to spend on the education. This bill will increase the budget for education by 20% ((in game))."
- Romano, Minister of the Treasury
"With the emerge of new ideologies and political thought, more recently I refere to Socialism, I believe it is time for Chilean schools to put more weight on social science and accept it as an educational lesson. In a democracy if one party gets a majority, then it is not always a 'democratic' legtimite government in my eyes. It is not a democratic election if the people do not know where it is they place their votes, and what they exactly are voting for. If one asks who Edmund Burke is then many in Chile would not know. It is important that the Chilean schools educate the students in these ideological thinkers, and learn what it is exactly their ideology stands behind. I feel many chileans are being misdirected by the speeches of our politicans, and get the wrong idea of what Conservatism, Liberalism and Socialism is. Recently the Communists have put a great amount of weight, that Socialism is all about the worker. I have personally studied his work, and while I find Karl Marx admirable then I do not agree that his message goes entirely to the worker. In order for our Chilean population to know what Karl Marx is truely preaching, and not what the Communists are preaching, then they must read his, and many other works of ideologal thinkers.
Furthermore we must also educate our population in our democratic ways of life, they must learn how a dictatorship functions, and why we have a democracy in Chile and all its benefits. Some politicians want a dictatorship and a portion of the people might want the same, but the truth is none have truely learned how it is to live under such conditions, and I mean especially our youth. This bill will ensure that Chileans will have a substantial amount of knowledge of our three main ideological thinkers;
Edmund Burke - the father of Conservatism
John Locke - the father of Liberalism
and Karl Marx - father of Socialism. This bill i wish to put forward for Congreso. I have ensured as Minister of the Treasury, that we have a large economic surplus, which I wish to spend on the education. This bill will increase the budget for education by 20% ((in game))."
- Romano, Minister of the Treasury
((OOC: Can we present a motion of no confidence? If so, this coup is pretty much useless))
((thats basically the same a an impeachment and TH said no so imagine it would be the same for that, sorry to dissapoint
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((He said it had to be justified. But a motion of no confidence doesn't have to be justified, has it?))
((its the same effect though, he said there was no provision for removing the president except by coup or election. ASk away but I doubt it. Unless the mothion was just a formality with no actual effect on the presidency.))
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The 1881 Coup: Broken Promise
Valentin Severino's arrest of President Carlos Andonie, which would be called the "Broken Promise Coup" by the Chilean papers, provided to be the shortest to date in Chilean history. While he was arresting the President, Severino was spotted and discovered the passing elderly former President Antonio De Santa Rosa, who was going by the office to submit his resignation to Andonie over the same issue that had spurred Severino to begin his coup. Immediately grasping the importance of the situation, De Santa Rosa alerted the remainder of the cabinet. Severino's coup would ultimately last less than two hours. His makeshift group of supporters attempted to erect barricades around the Palace at La Moneda but never so much as completely gained control of the building before the capital guard, alerted by De Santa Rosa, stormed the Palace and freed the President. Severino sequestered himself in his office as his defense the building folded and a single gunshot was heard; his suicide spared Chile the ordeal of another lengthy trial of a minister.
The 1881 "Broken Promise" coup had additional repercussions throughout the nation, though none so serious as an attempt to unseat Andonie. Long-time General Sebastian Roseno criticized both sides of destabilizing the nation on the eve of battle with Argentina and the elderly Minister of the Treasurer and former President Eduardo Romano also said that Andonie's decisions had antagonized the Nacionales needlessly. General Severino Miramontes resigned his commission as commanding general of the army of the south over the coup, and pro-Nacionales riots broke out in all major Chilean cities the following evening. Nevertheless, Andonie's mastery of the country remained secure.
Immediately after the coup, perhaps motivated or shocked by Severino's betrayal and death, Andonie announced a cabinet reshuffle as the deadline for war with Argentina grew ever closer.
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Player Actions Needed:
Andonie, I imagine that you once again would like to pick new ministers and generals in the wake of the coup. We're updating tomorrow morning whenever I get the chance (probably circa 10 AM PST), so please get those in as soon as possible. If you don't, I'll use your old appointments. As a reminder to everyone, you can (sigh) still declare a second election night coup before the next update if you are one of the remaining ministers or generals in Andonie's first cabinet - ie: those who just voted.
The last will and testament of Valentin Severino, as recorded before his suicide:
The Republic is lost.
When the people will not stand for themselves, who will stand for the people? Their representatives in Congreso have abandoned them. Their armies march against them. Their president has betrayed their interests for the sake of his own. The system of representative democracy has been strangled and despatched. What remains is a façade, propped up by military might and political patronage.
I took a stand, but I stood alone. My friends and my allies, the men loyal to democracy and the Republic, the patriots of Chile and protectors of the people – they slipped away, one by one, until it was only myself and the monolith. And now, not even myself.
As a man once wrote, when bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.
Valentin Severino, a patriot, 1836-1881.
The Republic is lost.
When the people will not stand for themselves, who will stand for the people? Their representatives in Congreso have abandoned them. Their armies march against them. Their president has betrayed their interests for the sake of his own. The system of representative democracy has been strangled and despatched. What remains is a façade, propped up by military might and political patronage.
I took a stand, but I stood alone. My friends and my allies, the men loyal to democracy and the Republic, the patriots of Chile and protectors of the people – they slipped away, one by one, until it was only myself and the monolith. And now, not even myself.
As a man once wrote, when bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.
Valentin Severino, a patriot, 1836-1881.