Wrong holding titles types: can I have a city? Why a city instead of a castle?

Alucardvincent · Jul 20, 2012

I am playing as Barcelona’s Duke; it starts already with a lot of castles cool to upgrade, so in theory castles are good for troops and cities are good for money. So I decided to build a city to raise my income.

However when it was ready I received the darn “wrong holding” message and the income is in red. So I assume I must give it; but if I do that then the baron will get the income not me

then I have a couple of questions:

As a duke then I can only manage castles and not cities?

Then why to build a city instead of a castle? I understand that they generate more income but the income will go to the baron anyway and of course the benefit of the levies, but the levies are better in a castle; then why I should build a city?

Tempestra · Jul 20, 2012

A mayor vassal will still give you some money - more than you'd make from owning a castle yourself, usually.

riknap · Jul 20, 2012

the tax from a city-type vassal is still higher than the tax from church-type and castle-type vassals
owning a city yourself only gives 25% of the income (it's an abstraction: you can't expect a military leader to run an economically-focused settlement well after all)
letting a city-type vassal run it and give you taxes (depending on your laws, but especially high level ones) is better (since you can hold castles instead)

justin6477 · Jul 20, 2012

Alucardvincent said:
I am playing as Barcelona’s Duke; it starts already with a lot of castles cool to upgrade, so in theory castles are good for troops and cities are good for money. So I decided to build a city to raise my income.

I understand that they generate more income but the income will go to the baron anyway and of course the benefit of the levies, but the levies are better in a castle; then why I should build a city?

Actually, the castles work against you. Cities on counties that border the ocean gain more... I keep forgetting if it's tech or money... anyways, cities in the long run are in fact better. The castles give you better levies, but that only goes so far. Cities when upgraded give far larger levies than a castle. Mayors will also upgrade their cities when they have the money, as will Bishops. So will barons, but they don't make enough to upgrade much. So if you don't plan to keep the holding, don't make castles. And definitely make cities whenever you can on the coast.

Point is, the pre-existing castles rob you of a choice. They also help you survive the muslims early on though. So it's fair trade I guess.

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Wrong holding titles types: can I have a city? Why a city instead of a castle?

Alucardvincent

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Tempestra

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riknap

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justin6477

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