aldriq said:
Hm, that's a good argument
and thanks
I'm not colonising too much at the moment, concentrating on those taxbase-5 colonies and trying not to pay too much for colony upkeep
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Hm, that's a good argument
and thanks
I'm not colonising too much at the moment, concentrating on those taxbase-5 colonies and trying not to pay too much for colony upkeep
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GooseyPasture said:
To play download Darken's excellent Terra Nova 8.51
You can find the Vinland files for TN 8.51 here
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aldriq said:
Given the isolation of Vinland in the last centuries in this AAR, it is acceptable to me that the paths of the local and papal interpretation of religious matters have differed. That would explain reformation for me.
Chapter Five: The Markland instigators
Halfway the 15th century, Vinland’s trading partner Iceland –a Norwegian dependency- was struck by internal strife. In 1452, the year Harald Gudjonson was elected Prince of Vinland, Maximilian I ‘Meinfret’ of Pomerania died. His best and probably only quality was staying alive. Although there were many problems, the stability he created by his long reign made Norway a peaceful country. Protestantism and the reformation, a religious movement, was inspiring people, but enraging the Holy See. The peace under Maximilian made place for religious turmoil under his Danish nephew Cristian I, a devoted catholic. Many reformists fled the country to get as far away from the inquisition as possible. A few hundred Norwegian reformists shipped for Iceland. The island was suffering from the gap that existed between the catholics and the reformists, that had radicalised after seeing so many fellow believers fall victim to the religion police. In 1454, Prince Harald agreed to allow these people to build up a new life across the Atlantic, in Markland, the Northern Colonies.
When the Archbishop of Vinborg Olaf Hardrason visited Markland in May, 1455, his carriage was smeared on with mud. By the time the Hardrason came out of the local church, he shouted at whoever could have done it. Out of the crowd that had gathered to see what was going on, someone suggested “maybe an old lover you dumped, óvættr (monster), Hardrason was properly insulted. He went back to Vinborg to demand the expulsion of those hot headed, no-good reformists that were infecting loyal citizens. Prince Harald refused to agree, and it cost him a re-election. Most nobles agreed with the bishop and elected Magnus Egilsson.
A few random reformists were arrested and executed on the square of Rogna, the capital of Markland. Also, He demanded that the bishop sent priests to convert Markland peacefully, who agreed ... naturally.
In the west Egilsson also sent a priest on every trading missions with the Mohawk. He, and many nobles of the 47 with him, thought it was their duty to educate the oblivious Mohawk about the life of the messiah. By 1458 most of Mohawk upper class converted, appealed by the new religion and, more importantly, a strong ally to protect them from the Huron and the Iroquois. Egilsson personally met at the border with the chieftain of Mohawk. An alliance was created, Vinland would protect the fellow catholics, offer trade rights, and Mohawk would pay a small annual tribute for that ‘protection’.
Only one year later Mohawk traders were harassed and insulted by their former skræling counterparts..
Egilsson, pushed by a radical archbishop Hardrason, was eager to declare war to the Iroquois. Huron pledged to help their fellow skrælings.
Captain Mats Sigurdsson of the “Leif’s Guard” regiment of Vinborg would be promoted to general, Egilsson drew out a plan for the campaign with his general. A small guard would hold off the Huron in the north, the main army would subdue Iroquois in the south before invading Huron.
The Iroquois army was outnumbered four to one, but only surrendered after it was decimated in battle. Iroquois would become a vassal and would pay of a debt of 100 ducats for indemnities of Vinlanders and Mohawk alike.
The same fate was the Huron tribe, who paid 50 ducats.
Egilsson was re-elected in 1463. He promised the nobles at the sammenkomst that a diplomatic mission would be sent to Bergen, or Denmark if necessary, to negotiate with King Cristian I a treaty of mutual friendship between followers of the true faith, and to try and come up with an agreement on Danish/Norwegian policy towards letting religious refugees head to Vinland.
In spring 1466, after spending the winter of 1465-66 on Iceland, Europe awaited for Captain Folke Magnusson, head of the diplomatic mission …
Next: The Bolt Legacy
Halfway the 15th century, Vinland’s trading partner Iceland –a Norwegian dependency- was struck by internal strife. In 1452, the year Harald Gudjonson was elected Prince of Vinland, Maximilian I ‘Meinfret’ of Pomerania died. His best and probably only quality was staying alive. Although there were many problems, the stability he created by his long reign made Norway a peaceful country. Protestantism and the reformation, a religious movement, was inspiring people, but enraging the Holy See. The peace under Maximilian made place for religious turmoil under his Danish nephew Cristian I, a devoted catholic. Many reformists fled the country to get as far away from the inquisition as possible. A few hundred Norwegian reformists shipped for Iceland. The island was suffering from the gap that existed between the catholics and the reformists, that had radicalised after seeing so many fellow believers fall victim to the religion police. In 1454, Prince Harald agreed to allow these people to build up a new life across the Atlantic, in Markland, the Northern Colonies.
When the Archbishop of Vinborg Olaf Hardrason visited Markland in May, 1455, his carriage was smeared on with mud. By the time the Hardrason came out of the local church, he shouted at whoever could have done it. Out of the crowd that had gathered to see what was going on, someone suggested “maybe an old lover you dumped, óvættr (monster), Hardrason was properly insulted. He went back to Vinborg to demand the expulsion of those hot headed, no-good reformists that were infecting loyal citizens. Prince Harald refused to agree, and it cost him a re-election. Most nobles agreed with the bishop and elected Magnus Egilsson.
A few random reformists were arrested and executed on the square of Rogna, the capital of Markland. Also, He demanded that the bishop sent priests to convert Markland peacefully, who agreed ... naturally.
In the west Egilsson also sent a priest on every trading missions with the Mohawk. He, and many nobles of the 47 with him, thought it was their duty to educate the oblivious Mohawk about the life of the messiah. By 1458 most of Mohawk upper class converted, appealed by the new religion and, more importantly, a strong ally to protect them from the Huron and the Iroquois. Egilsson personally met at the border with the chieftain of Mohawk. An alliance was created, Vinland would protect the fellow catholics, offer trade rights, and Mohawk would pay a small annual tribute for that ‘protection’.
Only one year later Mohawk traders were harassed and insulted by their former skræling counterparts..
Egilsson, pushed by a radical archbishop Hardrason, was eager to declare war to the Iroquois. Huron pledged to help their fellow skrælings.
Captain Mats Sigurdsson of the “Leif’s Guard” regiment of Vinborg would be promoted to general, Egilsson drew out a plan for the campaign with his general. A small guard would hold off the Huron in the north, the main army would subdue Iroquois in the south before invading Huron.
The Iroquois army was outnumbered four to one, but only surrendered after it was decimated in battle. Iroquois would become a vassal and would pay of a debt of 100 ducats for indemnities of Vinlanders and Mohawk alike.
The same fate was the Huron tribe, who paid 50 ducats.
Egilsson was re-elected in 1463. He promised the nobles at the sammenkomst that a diplomatic mission would be sent to Bergen, or Denmark if necessary, to negotiate with King Cristian I a treaty of mutual friendship between followers of the true faith, and to try and come up with an agreement on Danish/Norwegian policy towards letting religious refugees head to Vinland.
In spring 1466, after spending the winter of 1465-66 on Iceland, Europe awaited for Captain Folke Magnusson, head of the diplomatic mission …
Next: The Bolt Legacy
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Enewald said:oooh, and back to europe. I'd say you need to continue 'america first' policy.
Yes, it was a free explorer from an event. I could go for mexico for cash ... but a manpower of 8700 isn't going to help me win a war against them.
I was thinking about diplomacy, have a friend across the atlantic would be nice and less boring, Norway isn't an option because they're a junior partner, I'm thinking about Denmark.
Urcules said:
A good European ally would be of great help in the future. Simple deal: they can have the eastern hemisphere, you can have the western one
nette001 said:
Good point, although Urcules has resolved it nicely.
Chapter Six: The Bolt Legacy
Captain Folke Magnusson left the port of Reykyavik on the westcoast of Iceland in the 15th of April 1465. Having Icelandic guides on board, the trip to the east went as planned and the expedition arrived at Bergen a mere 4 weeks later. As it turned out King Cristian of Danmark and Norway was at Kopenhavn. The two-ship fleet of Magnusson was taken there under escort and met with the king on the 2nd of June 1465. A few traditional Vinland gifts like jewelry made out of walrus ivory and a precious trained white falcon, but also tobacco were very well received by Cristian. He therefore recognised Vinland’s independence and confirmed “the bond of animousity that had always existed between Scandinavian brothers.”
The whole Vinland mission stayed in Danmark until the next spring and sailing season. In winter the daughter of nobleman Harald Bjelke, Gunnhild, was promised to the third son of King Cristian. On the 3 of February 1466 Folke Magnusson died of influenza and the fleet would have to return from a very successful mission without him. He was given a sea man’s grave.
In 1468 disturbing news arrived from the south. Traders had been expelled from Muskogee, Creek. After a regime change, Creek seemed to have allied with the more traditional of skrælings, the Shawnee. Pawnee condemned trade with Vinland, they claimed that trading wine and spirits were immoral (good point though …).
The scarceness of tobacco wasn’t to the liking of Prince Egilsson, nor any of the other noble heads of the ætts (clans). Also, according to the Cherokee, a people that lived inbetween the lands of Creek and Shawnee, Shawnee had been trying to take Cherokee lands for ages, but could only succeed with the help of the Creek to backstab the Cherokee. This taken into account, the 47 agreed that there was enough just cause to teach the Creek a lesson.
There was no sign of any Shawnee assistance for Creek. Creek had placed a poor bet and would pay duly for it. The army was directed to the south, and Creek was invaded. The main army hunted down the Creek warriors, while smaller forces were struggling for control over the larger settlements. Although they suffered one defeat after another, the Creek army didn’t give up and fled into unknown territory outside the Creek borders. After all the settlements had fallen, a few were annexed (one territory was seized, the other taken by peace treaty) because of their excellent natural harbours and economical potential. According to the peace of Muskogee, Creek paid tribute, and was forced to join the Vinland alliance (which only consisted of native states). -->attached map at bottom of post
With the tribute the ruling class of Creek was educated and converted, the rest was invested in Vinland’s economy by building 10 workshops.
During the war, when chasing off the Creek army and having to cease the chase, it had been clear that a thorough exploration was needed to learn more about the surrounding of the more recent Vinlandic settlements. Also, rumours of large, rich empires in the southwest made the Vinlanders curious.
Therefore a company, The Bolt Company, was created to regulate exploration and exploitation of the region of the Suðrver (Southern Sea). The first “vísi” or leader of the BC was Bernt Þórbrandsson, son of Þórbrandr Eliasson, Grandson of Elias Bolt. Þórbrandsson rounded the peninsula south of Creek and discovered the Suðr Vágr (Southern Bay). He hired explorers, paying them per expedition.
Þórbrandsson also created outposts on some of the more richer and appealing islands of the Suðrver.
Prince Egilsson died in January of 1471 from a disease that caused lungproblems. In March of 1471, Harald Bjelke was elected Prince. Egilsson had been a man of stern leadership. He realised that he only needed approval of the nobles, and nobles especially rich and spoiled ones, were only too keen on gaining more wealth and power. After the Markland Instigation and the war(s), they learned that power was there, if they would just take it.
Captain Folke Magnusson left the port of Reykyavik on the westcoast of Iceland in the 15th of April 1465. Having Icelandic guides on board, the trip to the east went as planned and the expedition arrived at Bergen a mere 4 weeks later. As it turned out King Cristian of Danmark and Norway was at Kopenhavn. The two-ship fleet of Magnusson was taken there under escort and met with the king on the 2nd of June 1465. A few traditional Vinland gifts like jewelry made out of walrus ivory and a precious trained white falcon, but also tobacco were very well received by Cristian. He therefore recognised Vinland’s independence and confirmed “the bond of animousity that had always existed between Scandinavian brothers.”
The whole Vinland mission stayed in Danmark until the next spring and sailing season. In winter the daughter of nobleman Harald Bjelke, Gunnhild, was promised to the third son of King Cristian. On the 3 of February 1466 Folke Magnusson died of influenza and the fleet would have to return from a very successful mission without him. He was given a sea man’s grave.
In 1468 disturbing news arrived from the south. Traders had been expelled from Muskogee, Creek. After a regime change, Creek seemed to have allied with the more traditional of skrælings, the Shawnee. Pawnee condemned trade with Vinland, they claimed that trading wine and spirits were immoral (good point though …).
The scarceness of tobacco wasn’t to the liking of Prince Egilsson, nor any of the other noble heads of the ætts (clans). Also, according to the Cherokee, a people that lived inbetween the lands of Creek and Shawnee, Shawnee had been trying to take Cherokee lands for ages, but could only succeed with the help of the Creek to backstab the Cherokee. This taken into account, the 47 agreed that there was enough just cause to teach the Creek a lesson.
There was no sign of any Shawnee assistance for Creek. Creek had placed a poor bet and would pay duly for it. The army was directed to the south, and Creek was invaded. The main army hunted down the Creek warriors, while smaller forces were struggling for control over the larger settlements. Although they suffered one defeat after another, the Creek army didn’t give up and fled into unknown territory outside the Creek borders. After all the settlements had fallen, a few were annexed (one territory was seized, the other taken by peace treaty) because of their excellent natural harbours and economical potential. According to the peace of Muskogee, Creek paid tribute, and was forced to join the Vinland alliance (which only consisted of native states). -->attached map at bottom of post
With the tribute the ruling class of Creek was educated and converted, the rest was invested in Vinland’s economy by building 10 workshops.
During the war, when chasing off the Creek army and having to cease the chase, it had been clear that a thorough exploration was needed to learn more about the surrounding of the more recent Vinlandic settlements. Also, rumours of large, rich empires in the southwest made the Vinlanders curious.
Therefore a company, The Bolt Company, was created to regulate exploration and exploitation of the region of the Suðrver (Southern Sea). The first “vísi” or leader of the BC was Bernt Þórbrandsson, son of Þórbrandr Eliasson, Grandson of Elias Bolt. Þórbrandsson rounded the peninsula south of Creek and discovered the Suðr Vágr (Southern Bay). He hired explorers, paying them per expedition.
Þórbrandsson also created outposts on some of the more richer and appealing islands of the Suðrver.
Prince Egilsson died in January of 1471 from a disease that caused lungproblems. In March of 1471, Harald Bjelke was elected Prince. Egilsson had been a man of stern leadership. He realised that he only needed approval of the nobles, and nobles especially rich and spoiled ones, were only too keen on gaining more wealth and power. After the Markland Instigation and the war(s), they learned that power was there, if they would just take it.
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That is a very nice empire you've built by now. How is Vinland doing in terms of economy and research?
rasmus40 said:
I'll look into that, I'm running a little bit behind on Norway last time I checked (In game time must be since 1455 or so that I can remember), but the distance is increasing unfortunately. It's also difficult to check on other nations than Norway (or recently Denmark) because I haven't discovered them yet, I'm also in the Vinlandic tech group (same speed as latin, but no neighbour bonus is the handicap). I had one or two scientific revolution events I think, one was a surplus of 10000 ducs in area of choice.
RGB said:
I only send one colonist per colony and let it grow, land of opportunity idea helps of course. I only send more than one colonist if I need a settlement to grow fast, for instance because it's vulnerable without fortifications and bordering skræling nations. So those 100 people of that one 'colonist' would probably be a mixture of criminals, outcasts, maybe a few immigrants from Iceland with similar backgrounds, younger sons of nobles without a view on a nice inheretance, businessmen trying to grab lots of land for an investment, and of course mulat population once the colony is growing, etc.
Btw, any hints on where to go are welcome. I was thinking colonise 6-7 tax base areas, but also very keen on any aztec-mayan gold ....
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I think you should colonise towards that Aztec gold. However I also reccomend that you at least try and get one colonist on every coastal area in North America. That way, its impossible for european nations to colonise inland when they inevitabally do reach the Americas.
Sound advise, I agree. It sounds like you could really use some gold to give your economy a boost and the Aztecs tend to have a lot of cash ready for the taking as wellGooseyPasture said:
Mohatma said:Nice map! (And AAR is very nice too
thanks!
I also updated the map in post #1!
Where do you get people to live in your colonies?
Your population growth can not be that huge! :rofl:
Your population growth can not be that huge! :rofl:
Enewald said:
:rofl: icelandic outcasts that came with the pink inbred ponies
One colonist is 100 people, my population doesn't ave to be that big, does it?
edit: I only get 1.25 colonists every year
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Great stuff. This really makes me want to check out Terra Nova and the add-on.
Might there be a decision to let you 'westernize' (get Latin tech so you can get neighbor bonuses) - it would definitely seem to make sense once the Europeans started paying more attention to the New World.
Might there be a decision to let you 'westernize' (get Latin tech so you can get neighbor bonuses) - it would definitely seem to make sense once the Europeans started paying more attention to the New World.