No idea, there is only one event in the wiki ID treasury and I'm sure I already posted it for integration.Generalisimo said:the ones that you make me reserve for you... check the Events ID for more info.
Or perhaps you mean other game?
No idea, there is only one event in the wiki ID treasury and I'm sure I already posted it for integration.Generalisimo said:the ones that you make me reserve for you... check the Events ID for more info.
i meant this:Halibutt said:No idea, there is only one event in the wiki ID treasury and I'm sure I already posted it for integration.
Or perhaps you mean other game?
keep in mind that small minorities are ALWAYS assimilated in a matter of months (if not weeks... ).Tunch Khan said:Well, then apparently the Egyptian POP files have to be fixed.
The Egyptian population today has significant Armenian, Greek, Italian and Turkish elements that has to be implemented somehow:
- Egypt 2000 -
Egyptian Arab : 38,782,000
Upper Egyptian Arab : 18,329,000
Sudanese Arab : 3,734,000
Nubian : 1,594,000
Bedoin : 1,396,000
Arabized Berber : 1,358,000
Gypsy : 1,357,000
Arab : 272,000
Armenian : 135,000
Yemeni Arab : 134,000
British : 89,000
Greek : 81,000
Italian : 76,000
French : 64,000
Turk : 34,000
Albanian : 20,000
and Others
Now the facts,
- due to historic circumstances, Jews have left Egypt in mass exodus before/during the 20th century wars.
- the British, French and most of Italian population have migrated to Egypt long after British occupation.
- some of the Armenians must have moved to egypt after 1915 events from Eastern Anatolia.
- Some of the original Greeks must have moved back to Greece or to other countries.
- a huge chunk of Turkish population must have moved to Turkey and again, a huge part of them must have been assimilated through inter-marriages since they share the same religion with local population. Egypt was the richest and one of the most prosperous states of the Ottoman Empire and there was a significant Ottoman population ruling Egypt. Furthermore, Turks were the ruling class in Egypt even long before the Ottomans. The Mameluks did not just disappear overnight. (Tolunoglu State before the Mameluk reign was ruling Egypt since 12th century, whom were also Turks.)
So with the above numbers, for 1836 i would project:
- a little less Armenian population than the figure above to be added.
- more Greek population than the figure above to be added.
- way more Turkish population than the figure above to be added.
- way less Italian population than the figure above to be added.
- a significant Jewish population to be added. (there were still 78,000 jews in 1948)
Ok, now please let me know what you think and we decide how to implement them.
Praetor said:Sinhalese Buddhists-
2279;Sinhala;Theravada;aristocrats;;;;5
2279;Sinhala;Theravada;officers;;;;2
2279;Sinhala;Theravada;clergymen;;;;2
2279;Sinhala;Theravada;clerks;;;;1
2279;Sinhala;Theravada;soldiers;;;;2
2279;Sinhala;Theravada;farmers;;;;94
2279;Sinhala;Theravada;labourers;;;;34
2280;Sinhala;Theravada;soldiers;;;;1
2280;Sinhala;Theravada;farmers;;;;60
2280;Sinhala;Theravada;labourers;;;;22
2281;Sinhala;Theravada;farmers;;;;17
2281;Sinhala;Theravada;labourers;;;;6
2279;Sinhala;Theravada;farmers;;;;8
Tamil Hindus-
2279;Tamil;Hindu;farmers;;;;1
2279;Tamil;Hindu;labourers;;;;1
2280;Tamil;Hindu;farmers;;;;8
2280;Tamil;Hindu;labourers;;;;5
2281;Tamil;Hindu;aristocrats;;;;1
2281;Tamil;Hindu;clergymen;;;;1
2281;Tamil;Hindu;farmers;;;;23
2281;Tamil;Hindu;labourers;;;;16
2281;Tamil;Hindu;farmers;;;;7
Ceylon Muslims-
2279;Arabic;Sunni;clergymen;;;;1
2279;Arabic;Sunni;clerks;;;;1
2279;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;19
2279;Arabic;Sunni;labourers;;;;4
2280;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;3
2279;Arabic;Sunni;farmers;;;;1
Ceylon Christians-
2279;Sinhala;Protestant;aristocrats;;;;2
2279;Sinhala;Protestant;officers;;;;1
2279;Sinhala;Protestant;clergymen;;;;1
2279;Sinhala;Protestant;clerks;;;;1
2279;Sinhala;Protestant;farmers;;;;4
2281;Sinhala;Protestant;clerks;;;;1
2281;Sinhala;Protestant;farmers;;;;3
2279;Sinhala;Protestant;farmers;;;;5
Generalisimo said:keep in mind that small minorities are ALWAYS assimilated in a matter of months (if not weeks... ).
so, be carefull.
Lycortas2 said:Hrast,
the figures for Bosnia look good! I can't really help with Serbia; that is just beyond my area. The closest i get is Albania, Greece, Ottoman balkans and Bulgaria. I have a total figure for Serbia of 2.6m including Yugoslav Macedonia. Of course, at this point in time Macedonia was Bulgarian/Albanian/Turk/Serb/Greek. The numbers for Macedonia that i have are less than .5m people so Serbia should have about 2m with the remainder in Montenegro. Unfortunately some of my sources are very imprecise about the balkans.
I show about 3m pop in Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, Dalmatia, etc.
Does that sound about right to you? I agree with getting rid of some craftsmen/clerks as the Paradox default was very vanilla. The hard truth was that some provinces in Europe did not have any significant industrial development. I have heard one figure that said 50% of the Austrian Industrial strength was in the Pola peninsula & Bohemia.
Mike
Generalisimo said:@Praetor:
what i need to include all this is a reference to the files that actually exist that should be replaced with your new stuff.
If you want, send me the corrected files to my email address for an easy implementation (my mail is in my sig ).
Always remember to tell me the files that must be deleted, because if not, your files are going to be active and the old ones, creating HUGE disaster...
great, that makes things easier...Praetor said:So, I'll e-mail you the corrected files shortly.
no problem... i just didn't have time to make a website...Halibutt said:(Generalissimo, Żquieres que lo haga yo?) I'll post a link as well.
Lycortas2 said:Hrast,
I hope you don't mind some commentary;
I feel that you have to many clergy for the size of the overall pop.
The rule i am trying to use is put the clergy in the regional capital/most important province and limit the clergy to 4% to 9% of the total population of that ethnicity. I try to follow this for all special pops so we don't have 1,000,000 capitalists in Seoul in 1900.
you will have to clean those files before sending them... just send what it needs to be included... check the last version of VIP and base your work on that.Tunch Khan said:Hi again Generalisimo,
now we have discussed several issues on Egyptian POP files and i have made a "little" more research on it, but now we have several different files that obviously duplicate eachother.
What do you suggest we do and how do we come to a compromise?
Province;Nationality;Religion;Workforce;Ideology;Consciousness;Militancy;Size
898;Ashkenazic;Jewish;capitalists;;;;1
898;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;5
898;Ashkenazic;Jewish;labourers;;;;5
898;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;5
899;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;2
899;Ashkenazic;Jewish;labourers;;;;3
899;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;3
946;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
946;Ashkenazic;Jewish;labourers;;;;3
946;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;3
947;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;5
947;Ashkenazic;Jewish;labourers;;;;5
947;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;5
948;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
948;Ashkenazic;Jewish;labourers;;;;3
948;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;3
965;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;4
965;Ashkenazic;Jewish;labourers;;;;4
965;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;4
966;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;1
966;Ashkenazic;Jewish;labourers;;;;2
966;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;2
1004;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;2
1004;Ashkenazic;Jewish;labourers;;;;3
1004;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;3
1005;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;2
1005;Ashkenazic;Jewish;labourers;;;;3
1005;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;3
760;South_German;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
761;South_German;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
762;South_German;Jewish;capitalists;;;;1
762;South_German;Jewish;clerks;;;;5
762;South_German;Jewish;craftsmen;;;;3
763;South_German;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
775;South_German;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
733;South_German;Jewish;clerks;;;;4
734;South_German;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
900;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;2
951;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;4
952;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;4
952;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;8
952;Ashkenazic;Jewish;labourers;;;;8
953;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;4
954;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;2
955;Ashkenazic;Jewish;clerks;;;;2
731;Hungarian;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
732;Hungarian;Jewish;capitalists;;;;4
732;Hungarian;Jewish;clerks;;;;4
732;Hungarian;Jewish;labourers;;;;4
905;Hungarian;Jewish;clerks;;;;4
905;Hungarian;Jewish;labourers;;;;4
960;Hungarian;Jewish;clerks;;;;6
960;Hungarian;Jewish;craftsmen;;;;3
960;Hungarian;Jewish;labourers;;;;9
961;Hungarian;Jewish;clerks;;;;4
961;Hungarian;Jewish;labourers;;;;4
904;Hungarian;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
956;Hungarian;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
956;Hungarian;Jewish;labourers;;;;3
957;Hungarian;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
958;Hungarian;Jewish;capitalists;;;;4
958;Hungarian;Jewish;clerks;;;;5
958;Hungarian;Jewish;craftsmen;;;;3
958;Hungarian;Jewish;labourers;;;;6
959;Hungarian;Jewish;clerks;;;;8
959;Hungarian;Jewish;craftsmen;;;;4
959;Hungarian;Jewish;labourers;;;;8
901;Hungarian;Jewish;clerks;;;;4
901;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;4
902;Hungarian;Jewish;clerks;;;;3
752;South_German;Jewish;clerks;;;;5
Province;Nationality;Religion;Workforce;Ideology;Consciousness;Militancy;Size
945;Ashkenazic;Jewish;capitalists;;;;1
945;Ashkenazic;Jewish;farmers;;;;2
Province;Nationality;Religion;Workforce;Ideology;Consciousness;Militancy;Size
945;Polish;Jewish;farmers;;;;1
Province;Nationality;Religion;Workforce;Ideology;Consciousness;Militancy;Size
945;Polish;Catholic;aristocrats;;;;1
945;Polish;Catholic;clergymen;;;;2
945;Polish;Catholic;clerks;;;;1
945;Polish;Catholic;craftsmen;;;;1
945;Polish;Catholic;farmers;;;;4
945;Polish;Catholic;farmers;;;;3
Where should these go? Are they a replacement or addition, and if so - what is the file?Praetor said:I heard that the POP mod with be merged with VIP, so I'll get some more POPs in before that happens:
Kalat-
1468;Baluchi;Shiite;soldiers;;;;1
1468;Baluchi;Shiite;farmers;;;;30
1468;Baluchi;Shiite;labourers;;;;8
1469;Baluchi;Shiite;aristocrats;;;;6
(and so on)
Where exactly should these files go?Hrast said:Istria:
770;slovene;catholic;farmers;;;;23
770;north_italian;catholic;farmers;;;;8
769;north_italian;catholic;craftsmen;;;;12
769;slovene;catholic;farmers;;;;8
757;croat;catholic;farmers;;;;31
757;north_italian;catholic;craftsmen;;;;3
Comments, before I submit the files?