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Generals,
what kind of mountain infantry do you have in mind? 2x Inf + 1x Eng? Or 3x Inf + 1x Eng? Once the CAGs are finished, that alone should give you enough IC to start churning out sufficient numbers of divisons. What remains to be seen is where you want the infrastructure to be extended and whether we need something else to cope with the situation (airfields?).

Should we let the Chinese advance to a point where we can use superior numbers and superior quality to break their forces in two? Attractive as it might be, we failed to cut off significant Chinese forces earlier already...
 
The Administration advises caution. Reliance on supposed wonder-breakthroughs and encirclements is what caused several failures and disappointments during the war in China. If we let the Chinese advance too far, they not only might overwhelm or encircle some of our troops, but also gain enough momentum to continue their offensive. Coupled with supply issues, this could result in a total collapse of our frontline in some places.

The Administration also wants to emphasise the fact that 9 new infantry divisions will be formed within 2 months. Considering the logistical difficulties we face, it might not be the best idea to mobilise thousands of additional soldiers and send them to China. It would be unwise to abandon all other important projects and form many new infantry formations without having the real opportunity to use them in the near future.

Airfield expansion in key provinces may be prudent, especially if the Generals expect to use our light bombers in China anytime soon. The size of our airforce is now significant and the number and size of airfields - limited. Moreover, some of the central provinces with airfields frequently lack supplies, which severely affects our aircraft. It should be noted that airfields are relatively cheap.
 
General, what are you referring to, exactly? At the moment we are experiencing the most severe supply problems in Central China, not in Southern China. If you look closely on the map, you will see that there are many areas with poor infrastructure in Central China and in non-coastal parts of Southern China, where the logistical situation will most likely remain problematic. Moreover, there is a bottleneck in a strategic junction of the "old" Hirohito Line (10-lvl infra) and "new" Hirohito Line (6-lvl infra).

As the administration surely knows, the troops furthest from the supply centre is supplied first, in this case the north and south China forces are supplied before the central front.
The supplies to the south passes some areas where there is very low infrastructure between Shanghai and the south front along the optimal route. As the optimal route can't deliver the requested supplies further requests for supplies are send to Shanghai and the total amount demanded exceeds the real need of the south causing Shanghai to send all available supplies that way and for a large part starving the central units.
 
Ah, yes, but this is an academic question. The Guangxi Clique is gone and we can no longer rely on its supply network, so we have to deal with the newly created problems. Also, number of troops should not be ignored - there are not that many divisions in the North and they are being supplied through an alternative route, while the troops from Central China are more numerous and have to rely on the same supply route. Moreover, there are many provinces with very low infrastructure in Central China, while in Northern China most of frontline provinces are the ones with good infrastructure and the main routes are sufficiently developed.

Our logistical situation needs to be stabilised if we want to regain the initiative in China.
 
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To Admiral Baltasar:

Widening the front is an option to be considered (especially when we control the coastline), but before we make such irreversible decision shortening it should suffice. I have to remind that my proposed frontline covers the most important parts of our conquest of China and we'll very soon reach the point where we can't step back any further or we'll loose important industrial centers, strategic resources or favorable terrain. After two months we can reconsider our plans as the situation will develop, for now we should focus on improving our supply situation and make defensive line impenetrable to the Chinese.

Here is my overall plan for the IJA:
All units from the Army Group South are to be ordered to withdraw in order to shorten our front. They are to defend three objectives: Changde, Changsha and that hill in the middle of the forests. The other Army Group are allowed to remain on their current position, but they have to defend instead of attack.

Production:

- Improve segment Nanjing-Wuhan.
- Then segment Wuhan-Changsha.
This can be done gradually, one infrastructure point per province within the segment, then another until the whole segment is upgraded into 100& infrastructure. After we decide to pull back our troops from their current positions the upper part of the Army Group Center should be able to receive supplies. Lower part of the Army Group Center, however, needs them now. That's why I propose to improve these two segments. Then we can decide what else should be upgraded.

- Produce strong (3x1) Mountain Infantry divisions.
- Produce as much of these divisions as possible without slowing down upgrades of the railroad network and interrupting plans of the IJN, I'd say 9 divisions.
If needed we can always add support divisions later on. For now we need specialists to defend mountains in the southern China, it's where they should be assigned as soon as they are recruited
- Newly created Homeguns are to be kept in reserve before our supply situation will be secured or they'll be needed on the front.

Research:

1. Supply Transportation (this one is to be always researched).
2. All techs lowering supply consumption (and I mean supply, not fuel).
3. Weapons and equipment for our Mountain Divisions to keep them up to date.
 
Generals,

1) wouldn't it be enough to simply order our troops to defend and hold what we can?
2) Should we try to improve infrastructure in the immediate vincinity of the front lines?
3) is there a particular reason why you do not want engineer brigades with the mountaineers?
4) Should we merge exisiting line infantry units to free up commanders for the mountaineers once the latter are ready for the front lines?
5) One or two Homengun should be held in reserve in Japan for immediate (re)action if required.
6) Do you need the three SNLF divisions which have been sent to China? If not, we would ship them back to Taiwan or Hawaii.


Administration:
Can we establish more supply convoys to increase the supplies available in China? There's so many ports there that it shouldn't be a problem to get the stuff over there.
 
3) is there a particular reason why you do not want engineer brigades with the mountaineers?
*ENGs don't give any bonuses in hills and mountains!

Administration:
Can we establish more supply convoys to increase the supplies available in China? There's so many ports there that it shouldn't be a problem to get the stuff over there.
This is already happening.
 
To Admiral Baltasar:

1. Troops without supplies will fight with fraction of their strenght and they won't be able to conduct any offensive maneuvers. There is little gain in holding logistic wasteland. Shortening our front will allow us to resupply our troops and will extend logistic lines of our enemies. This will also allow us to concentrate our forces, instead of forcing us to hold the whole bend.
2. Increasing infrastructure near the current frontline won't help us much as there is still a bottleneck that must be removed first and supply will still struggle to get through from the bottleneck and to the front.
3. For now we don't plan attacking forts, rivercrossings and such, and including engineers would needlessly cost fuel we should conserve until we find additional sources to refill our stockpiles.
4. I would be in favor of this approach, Admiral.
5. Agreed.
6. I don't see immediate need. They aren't as good in frontline combat as regular divisions and they could easily support the front, if need arises, from Taiwan at moment's notice.
 
1. Troops without supplies will fight with fraction of their strenght and they won't be able to conduct any offensive maneuvers. There is little gain in holding logistic wasteland. Shortening our front will allow us to resupply our troops and will extend logistic lines of our enemies. This will also allow us to concentrate our forces, instead of forcing us to hold the whole bend.

It pains me to give up ground to the enemy, especially since it has cost us so much to get it in the first place. Holding it shouldn't cost us much and supply can flow to the southern front via the ports. Once we push the Chinese back, we would actually shorten the frontline if we held what have currently.


3. For now we don't plan attacking forts, rivercrossings and such, and including engineers would needlessly cost fuel we should conserve until we find additional sources to refill our stockpiles.
We still have the Communist Chinese to deal with. They're building fortifications all the time and we will eventually have to fight them too.

6. I don't see immediate need. They aren't as good in frontline combat as regular divisions and they could easily support the front, if need arises, from Taiwan at moment's notice.
They're as good as regulars as far as I know, and they are triangular divisions as opposed to the two-brigade-army-divisions, so they pack more punch. However, they can be returned to Taiwan and thus stay nearby.
 
The marines are serving in the South because of their considerable combat experience and excellence in jungle fighting. However, if the Generals and Admirals want to withdraw them to Taiwan, then this order can be carried out quickly and relatively easy.
 
Baltasar said:
Holding it shouldn't cost us much and supply can flow to the southern front via the ports. Once we push the Chinese back, we would actually shorten the frontline if we held what have currently.
"Once we push the Chinese back"? Admiral, I have to ask, is there a secret operation going on I am not aware of?

Baltasar said:
We still have the Communist Chinese to deal with. They're building fortifications all the time and we will eventually have to fight them too.
Mountain Infantry without artillery or engineers will be of better use in southern China instead of against the People's Republic of China. Attacking well fortified and well supplied strongholds will require more troops than just a few mountain divisions more. Our best solution is to dig in and hold the line with regular infantry. I strongly advise attacking the Communists after the Republicans are dealt with. It will take our entire strength and multiple attack points to take a well defended and well supplied stronghold of Mao's regime. The Republic presents much bigger threat to our agenda and it's where our efforts should be concentrated first and foremost.

Baltasar said:
They're as good as regulars as far as I know, and they are triangular divisions as opposed to the two-brigade-army-divisions, so they pack more punch. However, they can be returned to Taiwan and thus stay nearby.
If anything we could use them in southern jungles, but that's only if the current forces are not sufficient enough to stop the enemy.

(P.S. Homegun is equivalent of what exactly, because I am not sure?)
 
Mountain Infantry without artillery or engineers will be of better use in southern China instead of against the People's Republic of China. Attacking well fortified and well supplied strongholds will require more troops than just a few mountain divisions more.
I meant that we eventually will have to deal with them as well, hence the suggestion to raise troops which are capable of dealing with both of the Chinese factions.
 
We can always reorganize army structure later on, that's why I propose 3x1 Mountain Infantry divisions. Making 3x1 Mountain Infantry + 1x1 Engineers now is a bit premature. We can consider fielding such divisions later.
 
Adm. Yamamoto: Manila

This admirals appraisal of the situation in China strongly disagrees with the concept of giving up the forested terrain south-west of Xi'an. Giving up that terrain is giving up rather defensible terrain, and not only that achieves nothing of lengthening Chinese supply lines or issues. In fact it will increase they local troop density with respect to ours allowing them to conduct an easier offensive against us. What we must critically realise is that the Chinese gain strength when they are allowed to consolidate forces along a front, rather than us stretch them out. This is because we have the technological and equipment advantages on our troops making our troops stronger in 1 on 1 encounters compared to them.

Any proposal that gives large advances back to the Chinese will just increase their capacity to fight this war, and diminish ours. When I proposed consolidating a front, I meant that we should seek the most advantageous terrain to dig in along. This means an offensive in the far south-east china to get to the Pearl River and dig in along that, as well as smooth out the salient north-west of Guangdong.

While we face supply shortages in Central China it must be noted that the bulk of the Chinese offensive has bee conducted in the South of the country, and we have hardly suffered any major set backs in the North or center that would warrant a retreat to more favourable ground. Therefore there is good reason to consolidate where we are in the centre.

In the north however Yan'an city under the control of the communist is sitting on a minor salient surrounded by our forces. This city may have as many as 5 or 6 munitions and weapons factories in it. If we could capture this city, then we could force much of the fight out of the communists in the north and destabilise the front in this region where we do have relatively good supply to conduct a minor interim offensive. Capturing the city may will cost the communists 50% of their industrial potential.

This should be our priority.

1. Dig in along the favourable terrain in the south and center, and change to a defensive stance here
1.1 - Use our transport aircraft wing to aid with air supply missions into central china to raise morale
2. Prepare forces for a focused attack on the communists in a month or so time, utilising the bulk of the airforce to facilitate ground operations, both in direct attack, and in suppression of Chinese flanking forces

Engineers make an excellent support unit for main reasons, while they do not have mountain or hills equipment, they do have equipment for fighting in woods, forests, marsh, jungle terrain, as well as the assault weapons to take urban and fortified areas. Indeed large tracts of southern and central China are woodland or jungle terrain, and both the Nationalists and Communists are building fortifications, these will eventually need to be overcome. Furthermore engineers will improve the movement rates of our troops helping to prevent encirclements like the disastrous one during the collapse of Zongrens regime that is tarnishing the armys record currently.

Given we do not have officers to lead our divisions at this time, and given that the supply draw of new divisions instead of bolstering current divisions with support brigades, it makes more sense in the interim to produce a batch of engineers to add to one of our Gun in order that they may benefit more immediately.

This ties in very well with my second point because they are precisely the kind of units we need to help with picking apart the communists. Note that I do not imply that we need build new engineers to attack the communists, we have many engineering brigades already. However these divisions will need to be removed from there current deployments and moved north in preparation. This is why we consolidate along the terrain in the south, because their loss represents a minor reduction in fighting strength meaning we need to prevent the Chinese taking advantage of an opportunity.


Currently we have a good opportunity to make the collapse of Zongrens regime a pyrrhic victory for the Chinese if we can also get the nationalists communist allies to fall in a similar manner. These actions represent a new phase to the situation between us and the Chinese in China.



Production:
I'm inclined to agree with Admiral Baltersar that after the next heavy fighter wing, and CAG wings have been built we should suspend new production of either, since we should have a relatively large enough fighter air wing for the near future, and with our air doctrines ever improving now to what they should have been awhile ago they shouldn't suffer too large a loss of organisation from operations.

Similarly after the production of the IJN Kashii and IJN Kurama, we can give additional industry over to the Army. I would like to keep two light cruisers in production, in echelon at all times Adm.Baltersar from now until the end of war as we will take losses over time and the Americans will also be producing more ships it is important that we don't allow our rising sun to set at sea.

With the reductions in aviation production and ships that frees up 36.15IC for new allocation. I would like to see part of that allocation go into laying down one of the Battleship hulls, and another fraction go into setting up or first rocket test site. However this will be at the lowest production priority to run at about 25-50% as an IC soak. This should use up about half our allocation giving the army a bit more budget for engineer and mountain troop production. Although I suggest a small fraction of the army budget be funnelled into a second brigade of tank destroyer armour, as part of a future modernisation program. After all it is no good us lurching from one crash program to another.


This is why I reject Gen. Holy.Deaths appraisals of “considering to field late”r, when it is later we will regret not having followed these courses earlier. Just like the Army now regrets not taking up my initial proposals years ago for raising mountain divisions. Don't prepare to fight your current battles, prepare to fight your future ones. Having said that 3xMTN sounds reasonable for mountain divisions. I do not suggest more than a corps worth however of such divisions for the moment.


Fleets:
We do not need specialise ASW fleets, me and Adm.Baltersar are in general agreement here that the IJN needs to stay in high fire-power fleets.
 
Adm Yamamoto,
I widely agree with your suggestions. However, as much as I would like another battleship or two, I do not see how we can afford that currently. The army needs as much support as we can muster and a new battleship will lock down a lot of industrial capacity for a long time.
 
To Admiral Yamamoto:

Have I to remind you, Admiral, that due to lack of supplies Army Group Center stationed near Changsha won't be able to join the offensive on central bend to support Army Group South? We couldn't break through when we had support of our allies and we have to perform one now? I also have to point out that even if current positions of the Army Group Center north-west of Changsha looks like they're worth defending the fact is that these troops' strength is greatly reduced by lack of supplies. Supplies getting stuck on their way from the east and north-east. Having numerical equality looks good on paper, but in actual efficiency it'll reduce army's strength making to more prudent to pull our forces back where they can regain their combat abilities to a maximum.

We have been pushed back from our latest gains against the Communists by the combined forces of the Chinese, yet you think it'd be a good idea to "get the nationalists communist allies to fall in a similar manner"? You want to sacrifice tens of thousands of our soldiers in a vain offensive against well entrenched enemy? It's a suicide. Worse, it's a criminal act of wasting lives. We don't have the numbers sufficient to successfully attack the People's Republic of China and how concentration of large forces (50 000? 100 000?) would impact our supply network in the north?
 
To the Imperial General HQ

Before the collapse of the GaungXi our supplies in the central front were adequate, meaning that the supply net to that front isolated was sufficient and therefore the solution should not be seeking the solution here to the absence of the supplies at the central front.
The north seem like there are no troubles either before or after the event.
So the problem must lay in the south that it is pulling far more supplies our of the supply centre in Shanghai, looking at the supply map we see that for the first time we have huge problems.
If we decide to make a major upgrade of our supply lines we must first know which way the largest draw happens. There are basically 2 ways the demand can flow from the south, either north along the front and then just north of the central lake go east or going east and then north-east, we can't tell from the map so I'd like the imperial clerk to make a report on the supply draw through Changsha for the northern route and the provinces to the south-east of Changsha that has the largest demands. (mouse-over and note the supply numbers)
 
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