Whats up with the defeated Axis members mostly getting away with a slap on the wrist?

[WSnova]

As far as AI Peace deals go.

Germany most of the time seems to keep its early conquests, same with Italy. Hell, even you know who gets to stay in power in most of my off hand playthroughs.

Funnily enough France gets partitioned most of the time with the US occupying or puppeting southern France. I have seen the polish not even getting their western possessions back. Same with poor Yugoslavia.

Whats is the logic, shouldn´t the AI at least try to cut down to size the losers? Make them give back all conquered land? And if we are going to keep the whole unconditional surrender thing then the losing goverment should be removed.

And why is it scripted for Austria to join Germany of they are in the same faction? Thats just weird, liberating both as a puppet and then having your puppet eat your other puppet...

In my opinion the AI should prioritize getting cores-claims-liberating countries-puppetting/toppling goverment. And how is the partition of Germany supposed to work in game? I sometimes get 3 Germanies. Ai peace deals are just weird...

 

[GrandVezir]

It's layers of code from different DLCs and updates, not quite working and playing well together.

 

[Cpt.Cross]

Democratic Nations always try to release/change government of nations on winning a war. Most Axis nations don't have cores of other countries under them when losing. Vichy France on the Other hand....

If you play too well and don't get the Yalta conference then yea then yea a slap on the wrist it is.

 

[Paul.Ketcham]

If you liberate countries from a defeated nation, you can't take territory from them anymore, if I recall correctly. I don't think you can take territory from a nation you flip to democratic either, but I'm not 100% sure.

By comparison, you can still take territory from a nation that you've puppeted or released satellites from.

 

[Roland Traveler]

When the devs added in new tags for the regions of France, they forgot to add in peace conference logic saying “don’t release these” like they have with Yugoslavia. The result is partitioned France.

The next issue is released countries being absolutely weird (looking at you, Austria existing only in South Tirol). This is because countries don’t give land to other countries (except when they’re puppeting an existing nation) meaning if two nations have another nation’s cores split between them, only one of those nations is going to lose their cores. Coupled with the AI not giving away land to their non-puppets, the result is mangled nations not controlling all their cores.

The third issue is the US occupying enemy territory. Now this one is only conjecture, but I assume it’s because someone else releases or puppets a nation (let’s say Spain) but doesn’t have enough warscore to completely control it. So you’ve got this smaller version of a nation without all its land when the US comes in with its normally very large contribution to the war. This results in their allies getting shut out by having more war score, which mixes with the AI not giving other AI land to create the US occupying the cores of would-be friendly nations.

As for three Germanies popping up, I don’t have experience in the matter due to me making sure there aren’t three Germanies in the peace deal through force. If I had to make a guess, weird logic relating to Yalta (In fairly certain the USSR at least has special logic if Yalta has fired to not mess with West Germany) and the releasing of East and West Germany tricking the AI into thinking the Germans are gone.

All in all, I think Paradox could fix up the peace conferences to be more sensical with a bit of scripting, but maybe they’re changing peace deals with Barbarossa. One can hope, anyway.

 

[KubiG37]

The problem with France I think is that the allies/ussr all treat Vichy France (and all their colonial possesions) as just another fascist nation, not a civil war tag, and so proceed to destroy it. This is compounded by another problem that AIs often don't want to take back even their own cores.

I've seen many times as USA that France (AI) gave away all their war score (as if they're satisfied and don't want anything else) and happily left the Alsace-Lorraine in german hands.

Why democratic USA often takes far away core territories is a mystery to me though, no one else (democratic) seems to do that.

 

[Legocity264]

The problem with France I think is that the allies/ussr all treat Vichy France (and all their colonial possesions) as just another fascist nation, not a civil war tag, and so proceed to destroy it. This is compounded by another problem that AIs often don't want to take back even their own cores.

I've seen many times as USA that France (AI) gave away all their war score (as if they're satisfied and don't want anything else) and happily left the Alsace-Lorraine in german hands.

Why democratic USA often takes far away core territories is a mystery to me though, no one else (democratic) seems to do that.

Democratic UK also does that sometimes. As demonstrated by my Chinese candy cane here.