Yes. It's a matter of merging in changes to province.csv and then editing the scenario files so that all provinces are assigned to someone.
jordarkelf said:Yes. It's a matter of merging in changes to province.csv and then editing the scenario files so that all provinces are assigned to someone.
Drachenfire said:kk, then i am really excited by the possibilities.
Concern!
More provinces means spreading out the income values too, and as the cost in prestigue is tied to the income level of the province, we are back to where we were a few years ago with England steam-rolling over Wales, Ireland, and Scotland without any stop-gap and compleatly ahistorically.
We worked around this by raising the income levels of the Celtic Cressent verses England, and also gave the Saxon Earls rebellion trait and William the Conqurer the Realm Duress trait.
If base income levels are not revisited, then more provinces cheapen the cost of claiming the titles.
Have we considered this as well?
jordarkelf said:Wales' income for existing provinces should indeed be reduced, so the overall level becomes similar again.
I plan on getting a quick DVIP port to this map out this weekend, finetuning can then follow.
As this is all very new and exciting, it needs obvious balancing in-game. This cannot be done quickly... for now I hope to get the historical setup right first, finetuning can follow.
Kurek said:What I'll be working on over the weekend:
I guess this thread ought to be renamed; 'British Isles Map Mod'
Somairle has given me a lot of help with that rough draft, still in the planning phases so if anyone else has any suggestions please feel free to chime in!
Drachenfire said:You mean that the provinced of Wales should be reduced... even though that will expose them again to ahistorical early conquest?
Breifne - Sligeach and An Cabhan (maybe just at scenario start, but not recreatable if it's lost, in which case Sligeach should be part of Connacht, and An Cabhan part of Ulster]
Veldmaarschalk said:With 5 more provinces Wales will be harder to conquer since England will have to claim more titles. So that should even things out.
Veldmaarschalk said:There is only a limited amount of duchy-tags, using one for a duchy that is uncreatable would be a shame.
This would equalize the four regions, and based on published research by a well respected Welsh historian.
Veldmaarschalk said:I very much doubt that he researched the level of wealth of the Welsh provinces compared to all the other provinces in Europe or even just with England
So as a source on this subject he is not very usefull
Splitting Wales up in more provinces, doesn't make the provinces suddenly richer then they were before.
EDIT
And like I said before, dividing Wales into 11 provinces instead of just 6 makes it much more costlier to conquer it
Lets just pretend that the prestige cost for every Welsh province is the same (the lowest level on normal is 150)
On normal you would then have
6 x 150 prestige = 900 prestige
With the new provinces it would be
11 x 150 prestige = 1650 prestige
So increasing the income of Wales to make it harder to claim the titles in Wales isn't a valid point IMHO
Once the income levels were reviewed, in Scotland, Ireland, and Wales, then more historical outcomes were the result. What makes the argument less valid now then it did then?
Wales was not conquered until 1282, it is not some manifest destinty that England would conqure the British Isles. If the income levels are not revised, this would be the case, for Scotland, Ireland, and Wales.
Veldmaarschalk said:If they are already reviewed, why should that be done again then ? The total income of Wales stays the same, splitting Wales up into more provinces doesn't make Wales magically richer
I am going to repeat myself
With 11 provinces it cost almost twice as much to conquer Wales then it now does in vanilla.
So it will be even harder for England to conquer Wales
The income compromise for Wales was to bring it to 19 base income... which I agreed to with reservation. I am not sure you remember how base it was previously, it was an 11!
Veldmaarschalk said:The comprise wasn't 19, it was said that 18 should be the maximum of the income of Wales
Base income values in Britain - Revisited?
Drachenfire said:Jord and I had agreed that Dyfed should have been a 4, not a 3 as in the Base Values in Britain.