Taking Rome in 867 is too easy

[Murray Rothbard]

So with the Count of Montaigu start I was able to take Rome. This is very simple by declaring for Latium in 867: a stack wipe and occupying the baronies is enough to get warscore to 100%. I didn't need to occupy Rome at all. This has produced an oddity though. The pope is still alive, but he's not locatable on the map. I honestly have no idea where he is. Also, I have no Dismantle the Papacy decision, presumably because the pope is unlanded. He still has his Kingdom titles, but no actual holdings. Also, Christendom doesn't seem to care much that I took the Pope's digs.

Now I'm just gobbling up territory and wondering if I can survive after Haesteinn bites the dust and takes his legions hosts with him.

 

[SoloSupreme]

So with the Count of Montaigu start I was able to take Rome. This is very simple by declaring for Latium in 867: a stack wipe and occupying the baronies is enough to get warscore to 100%. I didn't need to occupy Rome at all. This has produced an oddity though. The pope is still alive, but he's not locatable on the map. I honestly have no idea where he is. Also, I have no Dismantle the Papacy decision, presumably because the pope is unlanded. He still has his Kingdom titles, but no actual holdings. Also, Christendom doesn't seem to care much that I took the Pope's digs.

Now I'm just gobbling up territory and wondering if I can survive after Haesteinn bites the dust and takes his legions hosts with him.

Yeah I have the same issue in my current campaign. I think only certain religions like Islam can dismantle the papacy. It should honestly be a decision for every non Christian to perform!

 

[broseidon13]

Yeah I have the same issue in my current campaign. I think only certain religions like Islam can dismantle the papacy. It should honestly be a decision for every non Christian to perform!

You have to have Islam, Asatru, Slovianska Pravda, Ukonosko, or one of the other named pagan religions, and then you also have to have the entire region of Italia as part of your realm. Which is basically Empire of Italia + Kingdom of Sicily.

 

[SoloSupreme]

You have to have Islam, Asatru, Slovianska Pravda, Ukonosko, or one of the other named pagan religions, and then you also have to have the entire region of Italia as part of your realm. Which is basically Empire of Italia + Kingdom of Sicily.

I guess the boori bush spirits will have an unhappy guest for the remainder of the campaign lol

 

[broseidon13]

I guess the boori bush spirits will have an unhappy guest for the remainder of the campaign lol

You can always convert just long enough to do the decision. I'd go after the other requirements first, then convert just long enough to do the decision before converting back.

Interestingly, the generic Pagan faith CANNOT Dismantle the Papacy. I'm pretty sure the African pagan faiths and Hellenism also can't, but don't quote me on the Hellenism.

 

[tribnia]

You can always convert just long enough to do the decision. I'd go after the other requirements first, then convert just long enough to do the decision before converting back.

Interestingly, the generic Pagan faith CANNOT Dismantle the Papacy. I'm pretty sure the African pagan faiths and Hellenism also can't, but don't quote me on the Hellenism.

Generic Pagan is TOO GENERIC, if we had Celtic druidism and Arabian paganism I believe they would be able to dismantle Papacy.

 

[Murray Rothbard]

I got a different Crusades notification this time.

 

[Grand Admiral Edward]

You can always convert just long enough to do the decision. I'd go after the other requirements first, then convert just long enough to do the decision before converting back.

Interestingly, the generic Pagan faith CANNOT Dismantle the Papacy. I'm pretty sure the African pagan faiths and Hellenism also can't, but don't quote me on the Hellenism.

Actually, Hellenism CAN dismantle the papacy. Revenge of the Roman gods.

 

[Karlington]

Actually, Hellenism CAN dismantle the papacy. Revenge of the Roman gods.

Can't believe you quoted him on the Hellenism after he explicitly asked you not to, you disrespectful...

Ok, I'm joking.

 

[broseidon13]

Actually, Hellenism CAN dismantle the papacy. Revenge of the Roman gods.

Yeah, I double checked. Official list of faiths that CAN dismantle the Papacy:

Asatru, Slovianska Pravda, Vidalism, Islam, Hellenism

Interestingly, I thought Ukonosko could but I guess not according to wiki. Oh well, good news is my planned return of the Greek Gods run actually can eventually get rid of the Pope instead of just leaving him on a temple somewhere.

 

[Grand Admiral Edward]

Sorry to sort of hijack this, but I find it a little strange you can dismantle the Papacy, but not the other established Christian faiths.

 

[Murray Rothbard]

Sorry to sort of hijack this, but I find it a little strange you can dismantle the Papacy, but not the other established Christian faiths.

The key aspect of the decision is the removal of the head of faith, which is central to Catholicism. I assume when it is taken Catholicism still exists - there's just no Bishop in Rome. There should probably be a similar decision for the Bishop in Constantinople.

 

[broseidon13]

The key aspect of the decision is the removal of the head of faith, which is central to Catholicism. I assume when it is taken Catholicism still exists - there's just no Bishop in Rome. There should probably be a similar decision for the Bishop in Constantinople.

Catholicism continues to exist when you dismantle the papacy, but without a head of faith they can no longer declare Crusades and I think that it gets harder to spread or something too.

There's a Coptic Pope in Cairo iirc, and of course the Ecumenical Patriarch in Constantinople. Not sure if there's other Christian heads of faith aside from those the player might make through reforming faiths. But the only other decision about de'throne'ing a christian head of faith is something Iconoclasts can do with the Ecumenical Patriarch that replaces him with an Iconoclast version, as well as a decision that reverses that.