Strange encounters...

[Hartmann]

O.k, after noticing that the Golden Horde has only 10 men, I went over the 1492.inc and would like to have confirmation/explanation of the following stats:

1. Golden Horde

has an army of 0/10/0

I think this is just a typo, and should be 0/10000/0, right? Neighbours are

a) Kazan

with two armies

20000/20000/0 and 5000/5000/0

b) Crimea (neighbouring Astrachan)

with two armies

20000/30000/0 and 5000/5000/0

c) Astrachan

with two armies

20000/30000/0 and 5/5/0

Comparing the second army to Kazan and Crimea, I think that the second Astrachanian Army should also be 5000/5000/0. Right?

2. China and Japan have both 400000/200000/0. That´s staggering, but maybe correct.

3. Tunisia has no landunits at all. Is that intended?

4. Mysore has an 49922/99981/0 army, which is mainly strange because of the 'odd' numbers.

5. Hyderabath has an 48644/100/1808 army, which is strange because of the 'odd' numbers, but mainly because of the really staggering amount of Artillery.

Now I would like to know:

-Will all/some of these stats be corrected?
- When editing 1492.inc, what stats should I especially give Golden Horde, Astrachan (second army), Hyderabath (artillery) and Tunisia (land units)?

Thanx for caring, Hartmann

[This message has been edited by Hartmann (edited 01-11-2000).]

 

[Zagys]

I agree that these army size bugs should be corrected and am disappointed with the apparent lack of attention they are receiving. I would be greatly relieved if an ex-beta tester or programmer would at least acknowledge that this is a problem. Is the Japanese army size really a bug, or was it intended to be that huge for play balance? It is believable that China's army would be that size though.

 

[Doomdark]

These stats definitely sound like errors. Just edit them to reasonable values (I will) and be happy. Paradox will surely fix them permanently in the next patch...

I wouldn't touch Japan or China though. They probably have large armies for play balance reasons.

/Doomie

 

[unmerged(13)]

Leave Japan / China, those armies are for game balance for that region.

1. Golden Horde

has an army of 0/10/0

*Change to 1,000/10,000/0


a) Kazan

with two armies

20000/20000/0 and 5000/5000/0


*Change to, 1,000/10,000/0 & 1,000/1,000


b) Crimea (neighbouring Astrachan)

with two armies

20000/30000/0 and 5000/5000/0


*Change to 2,000/10,000/0 & 1,000/1,000


c) Astrachan

with two armies

20000/30000/0 and 5/5/0


*Change to 1,000/10,000/0 & 1,000/1,000

These are basically guidelines, though they'll probably be altered in a new patch. Reasons for these numbers is that most of these 'countries' used cavalry forces in a ratio of between 2:1, 3:1 and 4:1, sometimes even more so. Perhaps these are supposed to be the correct stats, I don't know. Johan will check them soon and he'll alter them accordingly.

3. Tunisia has no landunits at all. Is that intended?


Hmm, it should have a standing army of some sort. Perhaps 1,000/2,000


4. Mysore has an 49922/99981/0 army, which is mainly strange because of the 'odd' numbers.


I'd leave that for now until Johan comments.


5. Hyderabath has an 48644/100/1808 army, which is strange because of the 'odd' numbers, but mainly because of the really staggering amount of Artillery.


I'd leave that, probably game balance issue of some sort.

Sapura



[This message has been edited by Sapura (edited 01-11-2000).]

 

[unmerged(13)]

Again, note.

These are stats that may not work properly. As I said to Doomie:

infantry is USED for fortresses, cavalry plays no part.

Again

a) we dont want those countries eating into Muscovy too much. Hence more cavalry, less starting out infantry.

b) we want them still defend well against them, but slowly lose. Hence large cavalry forces

c) As historical as possible. i.e. cavalry armies.

These figures might be too low, then again they might not. I don't have time to playtest them. Some of you guys can check these figures / I've already emailed Johan.

Sapura

 

[Hartmann]

Thanx, Sapura! I think I´ll just make moderate changes for now and wait for the patch.

Hartmann

 

[Johan]

Originally posted by Hartmann:
1. Golden Horde
has an army of 0/10/0
2. China and Japan have both 400000/200000/0. That´s staggering, but maybe correct.
3. Tunisia has no landunits at all. Is that intended?
4. Mysore has an 49922/99981/0 army, which is mainly strange because of the 'odd' numbers.
5. Hyderabath has an 48644/100/1808 army, which is strange because of the 'odd' numbers, but mainly because of the really staggering amount of Artillery.

1 - Thats an error, will be fixed
2 - Thats correct.
3 - It was the original intention.
4 - odd numbers was just for fun
5 - 1808 is probably a typo.. cavalry and artillery should be reversed.

/Johan