This is a continuation of this big thread on the old Triumph forum: http://aow.triumph.net/forums/topic/shadow-realm-brainstorm
So the topics that were discussed were (http://aow.triumph.net/forums/topic/shadow-realm-brainstorm/page/35/#post-273555):
Replacement for Warp Equipment for the Forge of Dreams
Call it Disrupted Equipment.
Umbral Weaver's name
Opinions are as follow:
– Refineus: Corsair Raider, Shard Stalker
– HousePet, Gladis, Hiliadan: Umbral Weaver Charioteer
– Draxynnic, Dr_K: Penumbral Weaver for the old one
– Gloweye: Umbral Ghost
So we would go for Umbral Weaver Charioteer.
Shadow Gates
FOR only surface: Hiliadan, Gladis, The Mentat
FOR both UG and surface: HousePet, Marcuspers, Ezekiel, Refineus, Dr_K (but broadly indifferent), Draxynnic
Forgotten Throne’s MCU
We go with implementing different variants of the Altar, each unlocking a different unique unit depending on the wizard.
The different options are:
Nimue – buffed Lord of the Deep (Draxynnic) or Giant Lost Mariner (for: The Mentat, HousePet) or buffed King Serpent (Draxynnic)
Nekron – Buffed Bone Collector (for: The Mentat) or Dread Reaper or buffer Banshee (Dr_K) or Bone Dragon (Draxynnic)
Mab – Elder Stone Giant (buffed Stone Giant) or buffed Cockatrix (mix between Kharagh and Basilisk)
Arachna – Elder Queen Spider (buffer Queen Spider)
Wizard King – Elder Eldritch
Artica - Elder Frost Dragon
Yaka - Phoenix (removed dedicated to good)
I don't have a strong opinion on Nimue. For Nekron, I guess an Elder Reaper is more appropriate and balanced (Bone Collectors can be really devastating in auto in PBEM), though Reapers are already very very powerful. Or maybe an Elder Bone Dragon?
Anyone here is able to do retexturing for the Elder units we plan? Or do they exist in other mods?
If we confirm we have the visuals, I'm going to propose stats for the units.
Seals (http://aow.triumph.net/forums/topic/shadow-realm-brainstorm/page/36/#post-273645)
Should Seals spawn on the SR layer?
FOR: Gloweye
AGAINST: Hiliadan (same as UG), HousePet, Dr_K
Liked terrain and movement abilities
HousePet raised this:
Drax answered here: http://aow.triumph.net/forums/topic/shadow-realm-brainstorm/page/20/#post-250946
I checked for Blighted, in the brainstorm about SE, Drax wrote:
http://aow.triumph.net/forums/topic/shadow-realm-brainstorm/page/7/#post-245785
So I guess we can replace Arctic by Blighted in the RG upgrade.
Opinions?
So the topics that were discussed were (http://aow.triumph.net/forums/topic/shadow-realm-brainstorm/page/35/#post-273555):
Replacement for Warp Equipment for the Forge of Dreams
Call it Disrupted Equipment.
Umbral Weaver's name
Opinions are as follow:
– Refineus: Corsair Raider, Shard Stalker
– HousePet, Gladis, Hiliadan: Umbral Weaver Charioteer
– Draxynnic, Dr_K: Penumbral Weaver for the old one
– Gloweye: Umbral Ghost
So we would go for Umbral Weaver Charioteer.
Shadow Gates
FOR only surface: Hiliadan, Gladis, The Mentat
FOR both UG and surface: HousePet, Marcuspers, Ezekiel, Refineus, Dr_K (but broadly indifferent), Draxynnic
Forgotten Throne’s MCU
We go with implementing different variants of the Altar, each unlocking a different unique unit depending on the wizard.
The different options are:
Nimue – buffed Lord of the Deep (Draxynnic) or Giant Lost Mariner (for: The Mentat, HousePet) or buffed King Serpent (Draxynnic)
Nekron – Buffed Bone Collector (for: The Mentat) or Dread Reaper or buffer Banshee (Dr_K) or Bone Dragon (Draxynnic)
Mab – Elder Stone Giant (buffed Stone Giant) or buffed Cockatrix (mix between Kharagh and Basilisk)
Arachna – Elder Queen Spider (buffer Queen Spider)
Wizard King – Elder Eldritch
Artica - Elder Frost Dragon
Yaka - Phoenix (removed dedicated to good)
I don't have a strong opinion on Nimue. For Nekron, I guess an Elder Reaper is more appropriate and balanced (Bone Collectors can be really devastating in auto in PBEM), though Reapers are already very very powerful. Or maybe an Elder Bone Dragon?
Anyone here is able to do retexturing for the Elder units we plan? Or do they exist in other mods?
If we confirm we have the visuals, I'm going to propose stats for the units.
Seals (http://aow.triumph.net/forums/topic/shadow-realm-brainstorm/page/36/#post-273645)
Should Seals spawn on the SR layer?
FOR: Gloweye
AGAINST: Hiliadan (same as UG), HousePet, Dr_K
Liked terrain and movement abilities
HousePet raised this:
I had asked the same question here http://aow.triumph.net/forums/topic/shadow-realm-brainstorm/page/19/#post-250741Shadow Elves like Dense Vegetation but don’t get Forestry. High Elves and Halflings both like Dense Vegetation and get Forestry as innate. Obviously adding Forestry to the racial properties is a potential balance issue. Perhaps only give Forestry to Irregular units or some other compromise?
Also, it seems a little odd that SEs dislike Blighted and Underground given their heritage (Dark Elves liked Darkland(?) and Underground, had Poison Protection and Cave Crawling). The Racial Governance option removes the Underground dislike and for some reason Arctic. Perhaps that should be Blighted instead?
Drax answered here: http://aow.triumph.net/forums/topic/shadow-realm-brainstorm/page/20/#post-250946
My thinking for excluding forestry basically went as:
1) Shadow Elves mostly stem from Dark Elf stock, which didn’t have Forestry in previous games.
2) We were already looking at Shadow Elves having a lot of racial adjustment compared to other races.
3) While it can be presumed that Shadow Elves still enjoy dense vegetation environments, their focus has probably been more on surviving the Shadow Realm in general (where, IIRC, forests are rarer than in Athla) than forests in particular.
So I did actually think about putting forestry in and decided not to rather than simply forgetting it.
I checked for Blighted, in the brainstorm about SE, Drax wrote:
http://aow.triumph.net/forums/topic/shadow-realm-brainstorm/page/7/#post-245785
Terrains: Likes Mountains and Cavern Walls, like Dwarves. Dislikes Volcanic, hates Tropical. If that’s too strong, could make them also Dislike Blighted, but have a governance upgrade that allows them to tolerate Blighted and Volcanic.
So I guess we can replace Arctic by Blighted in the RG upgrade.
Opinions?
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