Kingdoms Are Randomly Collapsing!

[earthskync]

Not sure about you, but in my playthroughs, kingdoms just randomly collapse on inheritance...

Click here to see on the YouTubes. (I made a youtube video).

 

[WeissRaben]

That's not random - the southern half of East Francia was completely cut off from the main, northern part, and went independent on ruler change.

EDIT: no wait, the capital is in the eastern part. But then why doesn't the north go as well? Is it because it's de jure German land, possibly?

EDIT2: also, why no collapse if you're a vassal in there? Is it because you can't be part of a collapse?

 

[earthskync]

EDIT2: also, why no collapse if you're a vassal in there? Is it because you can't be part of a collapse?

That's what I'm thinking, maybe you can't be part of the collapse. Maybe it's just too much brain power for the game can handle if you are part of the collapse.

 

[merlinium]

i guess a save file would be more helpful

 

[earthskync]

i guess a save file would be more helpful

I would love to provide a save file. If only there was a way...

 

[x4077]

Is it possible that the Kingdom title belonged to someone that didn't own any of the de jure land inside the kingom, therefore that title eventually got destroyed? If you go to Duchy/Kingdom/Empire view, you can still select de jure titles that have been destroyed and see their history.

 

[earthskync]

I think I figured it out. So my game settings were set to "Significant AI Only" on the Exclave Independence option.

In this option, the land that was lost, was land that was not native to East Francia (dejure), and was also not connected via a naval path. As we can see that the capital was on the single piece of land that was bordering France, Burgundy and Bavaria.

The reason it didn't affect the "player". as opposed to the "AI", cause the settings were set to "Significant AI Only", as opposed to "Significant".

 

[earthskync]

Anyway, I tested it out on a vassal living outside of the dejure, that was also not connected by naval that was a part of East Francia. And I became independent just like the rest of the vassals.

 

[Xenrek]

I dunno, ive been seeing some weird east-francia collapses. At first i thought it was from a Casus Belli, but the way it was split it *couldnt* have been.

within 15 years of game start in 867, east francia just disappeared, the northern half of it being replaced with just an endless sea of independent Asatru counts, and the southern half Slavic counts. no dukedoms or kingdoms left, just independent counties. Had never seen that happen before, and it was kind of awkward because it quickly devolved into an asatru and slavic super dukes, and then eventually just an asatru duke the size of france.

 

[Karlington]

I dunno, ive been seeing some weird east-francia collapses. At first i thought it was from a Casus Belli, but the way it was split it *couldnt* have been.

within 15 years of game start in 867, east francia just disappeared, the northern half of it being replaced with just an endless sea of independent Asatru counts, and the southern half Slavic counts. no dukedoms or kingdoms left, just independent counties. Had never seen that happen before, and it was kind of awkward because it quickly devolved into an asatru and slavic super dukes, and then eventually just an asatru duke the size of france.

Sounds like a successful independence faction.

 

[WeissRaben]

I think I figured it out. So my game settings were set to "Significant AI Only" on the Exclave Independence option.

In this option, the land that was lost, was land that was not native to East Francia (dejure), and was also not connected via a naval path. As we can see that the capital was on the single piece of land that was bordering France, Burgundy and Bavaria.

The reason it didn't affect the "player". as opposed to the "AI", cause the settings were set to "Significant AI Only", as opposed to "Significant".

Yeah, the "AI Only" setting would do it. So, in conclusion, the option made all the counties isolated from the capital and not part of the de jure kingdom go independent, unless the player was involved. We can file it under "not random".

 

[Oglesby]

I dunno, ive been seeing some weird east-francia collapses. At first i thought it was from a Casus Belli, but the way it was split it *couldnt* have been.

within 15 years of game start in 867, east francia just disappeared, the northern half of it being replaced with just an endless sea of independent Asatru counts, and the southern half Slavic counts. no dukedoms or kingdoms left, just independent counties. Had never seen that happen before, and it was kind of awkward because it quickly devolved into an asatru and slavic super dukes, and then eventually just an asatru duke the size of france.

Sounds like Haesteinn invaded East Francia but didn't have gold for any titles

 

[Xenrek]

Sounds like Haesteinn invaded East Francia but didn't have gold for any titles

thats what i thought at first, but that doesnt really explain the near perfect 50/50 split of slavic and norse rulers taking the counties, with not an independent christian in sight