Imperial Challenge Stability Hit

[Taylor]

So I'm relatively new to this game and yesterday got to the "winning land by the spear" tech, playing as Rome. So I decided to go and conquer Thrace (who owned almost all of Anatolia).

However when I declared war using the Imperial Challenge CB it gave me a stability hit, WE, and AE as if I was using no casus belli. Is that normal? When I look at let's plays (admittedly from 2 years ago) these effects don't show up. If it's normal I may have to rethink how I will conquer Egypt and Syria.

 

[IsaacCAT]

You need a claim before you declare a war by the spear (war goal). Then every territory conquered gives you AE and WE:

https://imperator.paradoxwikis.com/Casus_belli

 

[Taylor]

You need a claim before you declare a war by the spear (war goal). Then every territory conquered gives you AE and WE:

https://imperator.paradoxwikis.com/Casus_belli

Ooh, ok! So war goals and casus belli are separate?

Can you similarly also declare a "show superiority" war with a claim (and not get a stability hit)?

 

[IsaacCAT]

Yes, I love superiority wars because I do not have to worry about the war goal ticking war score and I only concentrate in winning battles instead of defending or attacking an impossible location

 

[Taylor]

Yes, I love superiority wars because I do not have to worry about the war goal ticking war score and I only concentrate in winning battles instead of defending or attacking an impossible location

Ah, great! Thanks for your quick replies!

Now to mend my destabilised and unhappy empire...

 

[IsaacCAT]

For happiness try to convert all your pops asap, using governor policies is very helpful and only costs PI with a flat cost no matter how many pops in the province. Buildings cost money and they only affect one territory. For PI generation set your leader scheme: influence.

Moreover, if you are in dire need, you can use PI to double stab pigs to the gods in western religions.

 

[DukeLeto42]

This is definitely a misleading mechanic, at least when coming from EUIV, because reading Imperial Challenge UI information makes it sound like EUIV's "Holy War," "Imperialism," and other such CBs instead of a different war type.

 

[Napoleon1971]

This is definitely a misleading mechanic, at least when coming from EUIV, because reading Imperial Challenge UI information makes it sound like EUIV's "Holy War," "Imperialism," and other such CBs instead of a different war type.

I wish this war type existed in EU IV, especially in late-game when it is semi-realistic since entire states vaporized during this time period. It'd add some drama to the end-game of EU IV that is currently lacking (the late-game wars feel like WWI, not the Napoleonic period...punishment perhaps for not winning earlier).

I love this war type in Imperator.