There's yet a chain about a UN (lead by US) intervention on Far Eastern Republic.
And also, with particular conditions, could be involved in a war with the other Soviet area subjects.
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There's yet a chain about a UN (lead by US) intervention on Far Eastern Republic.
And also, with particular conditions, could be involved in a war with the other Soviet area subjects.
A litttle advice: change the fascist leader of Argentina. You see, Carlos Pueyrredon, the guy that its on power when Argentina goes fascist, was a regular liberal conservative. It's a mistake that Vainilla and even HOI4 made. How about just an event that makes Perón align with the Axis instead? The coup of 1955 could just be US backed.
Well, i've made a revision about the Fascist Argentina and also a more deep Platinean War chain.
You know there's yet in the current version events about the Argentinian alignment with the Axis (and also a Platinean War chain), with Pueyrredon if i remember correctly.
Could you made a proposition about a complete fascist cabinet ? I don't like too much the idea of a Perón aligned with the Axis.
Ok, here are my ideas
1. Perón is like the Tito of the Axis amd after Hitler's death makes his own path to fascism, that is less authoritarian and more populist in nature with the support of the lower classes. Himmler would cut ties with Argentina but Italy would have some kind of close relationship.
2. Perón loses the election of 1946 since USA invested a lot of money on the opposition and he dissapears of the political scene. However, Argentinian fascist movements start to take over quickly
My fascist cabinet without Peron would be like this:
Head of State: Nimio de Anquin
Head of Goverment: Rodolfo Irazusta
Foreign Minister: Juan Atilio Bramuglia
Head of Inteligence: Raul Apold/ Rodolfo Freude
Chief of Staff: Humberto Sosa Molina/ Juan Domingo Perón (he could be on the goverment but not in power)
Chief of Army: Carlos Von Der Becke
Chief of Air Force: Oscar Muratorio
Chief of Navy: Isaac Rojas
I can help you with the pictures and some events
1. Perón is like the Tito of the Axis amd after Hitler's death makes his own path to fascism, that is less authoritarian and more populist in nature with the support of the lower classes. Himmler would cut ties with Argentina but Italy would have some kind of close relationship.
2. Perón loses the election of 1946 since USA invested a lot of money on the opposition and he dissapears of the political scene. However, Argentinian fascist movements start to take over quickly
My fascist cabinet without Peron would be like this:
Head of State: Nimio de Anquin
Head of Goverment: Rodolfo Irazusta
Foreign Minister: Juan Atilio Bramuglia
Head of Inteligence: Raul Apold/ Rodolfo Freude
Chief of Staff: Humberto Sosa Molina/ Juan Domingo Perón (he could be on the goverment but not in power)
Chief of Army: Carlos Von Der Becke
Chief of Air Force: Oscar Muratorio
Chief of Navy: Isaac Rojas
I can help you with the pictures and some events
I think the same as Achtung Panzer, Peron was a Mussilini-style fascist, when the defeated allies ended he proposed a new system very similar to Italian Fascism. More populist and less authoritarian. He was a faithful ally of Franco in the Post-War and of other Nationalist leaders of the time such as Tito, or Nasser in Egypt. Do not forget that fascism is socialism but Ultranationalist. I think he would be perfect as a leader of a Fascist Argentina. Maybe he would not get along so well with Hitler but with Mussolini he would be a great ally.
@pakotorino
Hmm, maybe if the Soviet Union starts getting too powerful, there could be a chain (not one with a good chance of the AI doing, mind you) to allow the USA to ease up on Germany a bit? Perhaps be somewhat more hostile to the USSR conversely?
Hmm, maybe if the Soviet Union starts getting too powerful, there could be a chain (not one with a good chance of the AI doing, mind you) to allow the USA to ease up on Germany a bit? Perhaps be somewhat more hostile to the USSR conversely?
Everything is very simple and without fabulous fantasies. I will cite just some names .. Fritz Kuhn, Lindberg, Henry Ford, Gerhard Kunz, A.A. Vonsyansky, Robert Wood, Hertz, McCormick. Various senators: Ney, Fishman, Hoffman, Day. These guys from and ardently supporting the party of the "German-American Union".
History .. After the defeat of the USSR, the Fascist Party of America is gaining total support. Riots, purges, emigration begin in the country, the recently abolished black slavery - resumes, Jews are added to them, and many others. The USA is becoming an ally of Germany. But there is still chaos in the country, there is a redistribution of power, which should be stopped and directed all the power in order to finish off Bolshevism that they hate. The first goal will be Canada or Central America !?)
Little wish-dream, more economic events. Regional development, discovery of new deposits, growth booms in Africa, Asia, South America. Opportunity to develop mining. And increase fertility programme
(maybe +1 to MP in PROV that already have >1 ..event for 1 year duration.
Forces of the Galaxy, how could I forget Herbert Hoover .. "In truth, the purpose of my life is the destruction of Soviet Russia"
History .. After the defeat of the USSR, the Fascist Party of America is gaining total support. Riots, purges, emigration begin in the country, the recently abolished black slavery - resumes, Jews are added to them, and many others. The USA is becoming an ally of Germany. But there is still chaos in the country, there is a redistribution of power, which should be stopped and directed all the power in order to finish off Bolshevism that they hate. The first goal will be Canada or Central America !?)
Little wish-dream, more economic events. Regional development, discovery of new deposits, growth booms in Africa, Asia, South America. Opportunity to develop mining. And increase fertility programme
(maybe +1 to MP in PROV that already have >1 ..event for 1 year duration.Forces of the Galaxy, how could I forget Herbert Hoover .. "In truth, the purpose of my life is the destruction of Soviet Russia"
Ok guys, if you think Peron could be a Prime Minister of a fascist Argentina ... well i think about it.
@AchtungPanzer if you want made a contribution with image and/or event feel free to do that.
About US ... i want to made something like a STRONG Paternal Autocrat Government not properly fascist but at the same time no more the Champion of Democracy.
Something like an "empire" with for example a chain to occupy Canada if UK is defeated by German in WW3 ... a coup for example, followed by a peace events with Axis and a world divided by influence sphere (Europe/America).
But it's difficult for me realized who could made a coup ... MacArthur ? You known in Fatherland there's a Point of No Return in the 1960 for the WW3 or, with other conditions, in the '50s. Who could be an Hypotetical american Cesar ? And what do you think about it ?
@AchtungPanzer if you want made a contribution with image and/or event feel free to do that.
About US ... i want to made something like a STRONG Paternal Autocrat Government not properly fascist but at the same time no more the Champion of Democracy.
Something like an "empire" with for example a chain to occupy Canada if UK is defeated by German in WW3 ... a coup for example, followed by a peace events with Axis and a world divided by influence sphere (Europe/America).
But it's difficult for me realized who could made a coup ... MacArthur ? You known in Fatherland there's a Point of No Return in the 1960 for the WW3 or, with other conditions, in the '50s. Who could be an Hypotetical american Cesar ? And what do you think about it ?
Good, because I want to contribute with some events. I want to make some events about Argentina and even a description of a selection screen. But I want to know first if you plan to have Peron on the goverment from the beggining or have the opossition candidate as president in 1948 (Tamborini). In the meantime, I will make some events for the Soviet Union. For example, those related to the war with Germany:
- Events related to reconquering Moscow and Leningrad that will lower the dissent
- Fate of Poland. After conquering Poland from the Germans, Poland is naturally filled with Germans. So you can have various options: reconstructing Poland as mixed German-Polish Communist state or just integrating it on the USSR
- Options for a separate war (Second Winter War) with neutral Finland and the afternath: puppet or integeation
- Maybe some events of colaboration with Mao's China
- Something for the long run: the Cold War after the defeat of Germany
- And many, many more
I do not know how popular fascism is in the US with a German victory but you could have a scenario like the second American Civil War in Kaiserreich since the mod starts on January 2, 1948 and the American Presidential Election is not until November 2, 1948 during the election Truman got elected but he did not get the popular vote. Both before and during WWII American companies worked closely with their German counterparts so with fascism servicing those CEO’s could put their money behind far right groups like the German American Bund, States' Rights Democratic Party (Dixiecrats), or an in universe fascist party. This could lead to the government trying to crackdown on the fascist element but to no avail which causes the communist like the Socialist Party of America to fear a fascist coup.
The fascist could spawn in the south part of the country. The communist in the Rust Belt and the Government around D.C. and along the West Coast.
The American Caesar could be Charles Andrew Willoughby who MacArthur called "my pet fascist.".
The fascist could spawn in the south part of the country. The communist in the Rust Belt and the Government around D.C. and along the West Coast.
The American Caesar could be Charles Andrew Willoughby who MacArthur called "my pet fascist.".
In 1948, I really doubt the government could very well "crack-down" on anything without obvious limitations to the bureaucrats getting reelected, although I don't know how the mod treats the US. If they are basically a Truman government that mopped up the Pacific with Japan, but didn't have the chance to dominate and annihilate Germany with an alliance with the USSR, then the government will not have a Democrat Great-Society deep state in the works, and the public will lean heavily conservative.
The main effort is coming with a reason why the US, that is the Anglo-Saxons and general public, would be averse to an alliance with Europe. Worb came up with some pretty wild scenarios, and that was me tagging his post
, but the world of a victorious Reich - minus Kaiser - would be heavily nationalist, or conservative, or traditionalist. Thus, the diversity within the US could become agitation for repatriation of Africa, and events to form nations of American-sphere powers being formed in the African continent. Japanese could very well be repatriated wholly as one, and then there is Taiwan, the Phillipines, and SE Asia for America to sphere-around.The greatest conflict between America and Germany would be reconciling their modern governments, both are fairly well centralized after the war. America would likely go into full-steam ahead with extreme liberalism, granting the Civil Rights acts and using the excuse of a totalitarian Europe to rapidly expand immigration from the rest of the nations of the world. This could happen right as 1960 comes along. Both countries would then face the succeeding competition of socialising their governments as rapidly as possible, a race to see which one's economic value collapses first(they never see it coming), leading to a preemption by the Soviet remnants to attack either. America could become rapidly overpopulated in its coastal cities by 1975 and its market crash would send its government into a death spiral. Across the Atlantic, Germany could face extreme terrorism from nationalists, or conservatives, or traditionalists attempting to break free of the socialised labor and education, and censorship...
That's a little bit for now. Buona Fortuna!
Ok, send me a PM. In the next days i'll update my WIP version (in a private area) so you can work on the latest branch of the mod. It's good for me the Peron option from the beginning
I don't like an idea of Civil War. I don't want write a Kaiserreich repaint.
But thank you for your suggestion about Willoughby; could be him the man for the job.
In 1948, I really doubt the government could very well "crack-down" on anything without obvious limitations to the bureaucrats getting reelected, although I don't know how the mod treats the US. If they are basically a Truman government that mopped up the Pacific with Japan, but didn't have the chance to dominate and annihilate Germany with an alliance with the USSR, then the government will not have a Democrat Great-Society deep state in the works, and the public will lean heavily conservative.
The main effort is coming with a reason why the US, that is the Anglo-Saxons and general public, would be averse to an alliance with Europe. Worb came up with some pretty wild scenarios, and that was me tagging his post
The greatest conflict between America and Germany would be reconciling their modern governments, both are fairly well centralized after the war. America would likely go into full-steam ahead with extreme liberalism, granting the Civil Rights acts and using the excuse of a totalitarian Europe to rapidly expand immigration from the rest of the nations of the world. This could happen right as 1960 comes along. Both countries would then face the succeeding competition of socialising their governments as rapidly as possible, a race to see which one's economic value collapses first(they never see it coming), leading to a preemption by the Soviet remnants to attack either. America could become rapidly overpopulated in its coastal cities by 1975 and its market crash would send its government into a death spiral. Across the Atlantic, Germany could face extreme terrorism from nationalists, or conservatives, or traditionalists attempting to break free of the socialised labor and education, and censorship...
That's a little bit for now. Buona Fortuna!
Here are my ideas for a possible chain, just a sketch, let me know what do you think about it :
- UK collapsed (UK sign a peace treaty,yet implemented, with Axis and an UK is out of war)
- Shocking news (in US)
- The war is not over (US government want to fight again)
- Peace demonstration in NY (to stop war and for an isolation policy + dissent)
- Peace demonstration in Washington (to stop war and for an isolation policy + dissent)
- Riots in Seattle (the demonstrations goes hot)
- Riots in Boston (the demonstrations goes hot)
- UN council in Ottawa (UN council in Ottawa with the remainant UN countries, high dissent between the allies)
- The US President goes to dimissions (too much dissent in the US, his hopes it's an end of demonstrations)
- Military coup d'etat (Coup of military and Willoughby ? new Head of Government)
- Constitutional Government of US (as HoS, redraw of US Constitution)
- Rejkyavik peace accord (Peace talks with Axis)
- US out from UN
- UN collapse
- The new HoG call to congress : a world divided (US accept domination of Axis in Europe, Middle East and Africa but US will have domination over America continent, Oceania and Asia)
- Operation Bear : Occupation of Canada
- Align Mexico (or war)
- Intervention at Cuba
- Carribean securization
- Central America securization
- Align Brazil and Argentina (or war)
- Align Great Colombia (yes, there will be a Great Colombia, fascist or commie. Or war)
- Pax Americana (when all chain is over for American Continent)
@All : and yes, sorry for my bad english !
Well thought out and the big plus of it, is that it leads to actual gameplay. No one wants to have events that just express some political dissent over the question of liberalising. The conservative/autocratic events should lead to the formation of puppets in other regions by setting up post-colonial, conservative, American-styled democracies inhabited and ruled by repatriated American minority ethnicities. Pro-liberalising events can rapidly increase industries/manpower in cities. As in, America bringing in foreigners to attempt rapid artificial economic growth which could have real consequences later on with destabilising stock exchange and lowering the overall industrial effieciency when certain acts are passed by Congress, e.g. Civil Rights Act/Hart-Cellar would put limitations on businesses, increasing raw output, but nullifying the efficiency which could become an event chain that checks how long these policies have been in place and applies an IC bonus and efficiency malus every several years.
Well since it is taking place in the 50's, 60's, and 70's you could have decisions in were you can attempt to improve the race relations in the US or not. If you do you become more democratic or if you decide to adopt more racist laws Germany could overtime start to like you.
Also depending on how long you can play the mod for like if until 1991 you could have the USA collapse like the Soviet Union did in OTL. The youtuber Monsieur Z has a great video on how the collapse of the US could have happened.
Ok. I'm making some events for taking cities for Soviet Russia if someone is interested. The image needs some cropping though. If @pakotorino is interested, I can make alternatives for Soviet victory against Germany, I have plenty of ideas
Would the Germans find it beneficial to covertly aid the NAACP, Nation of Islam or any other African-American group? It would seem counter-intuitive, yes, but if the Germans wish to weaken the United States then all groups that accept aid via some convoluted middleman scheme should be good for their means.
Ok. I'm making some events for taking cities for Soviet Russia if someone is interested. The image needs some cropping though. If @pakotorino is interested, I can make alternatives for Soviet victory against Germany, I have plenty of ideas
I've send you a PM.
Thank you for your contribution but i don't like too much this idea
I think the US would have a hard time in this timeline politically. For one presidents like Eisenhower would not be in the picture. (Since he would not be considered a hero, or a useful veteran.)
The case would be between isolationism and interventionism. Both would be a mini-game in this mod. If either bar is at the top, than a coup would happen. Why?
If the US dangles in too much foreign affairs, than they would use up too much resources and focus too little on internal affairs.
In this case a socialist uprising could happen in US soil.
If they focus too much on internal and too little on international matters, than a military coup coud happen. (Since the military would not be happy about the world slipping to the extremist ways.) This could possibly be lead by Eisenhower. So he could this way be president, but not in electoral way.
The Reich on the other hand be in the position of otl Soviets. They have the means to be everywhere, but not the money. The AI or player could decide which theaters are they supporting and which would they ignore. If they support everyone, than they would be bankrupt fast.
The case would be between isolationism and interventionism. Both would be a mini-game in this mod. If either bar is at the top, than a coup would happen. Why?
If the US dangles in too much foreign affairs, than they would use up too much resources and focus too little on internal affairs.
In this case a socialist uprising could happen in US soil.
If they focus too much on internal and too little on international matters, than a military coup coud happen. (Since the military would not be happy about the world slipping to the extremist ways.) This could possibly be lead by Eisenhower. So he could this way be president, but not in electoral way.
The Reich on the other hand be in the position of otl Soviets. They have the means to be everywhere, but not the money. The AI or player could decide which theaters are they supporting and which would they ignore. If they support everyone, than they would be bankrupt fast.
Well, thank you @Khor but what do you think about the McCarty as the autocrat of US ?
I'd see a mokumentary about him and i think could be the man to lead a US hostile with nazi and commie at the same matter with a Paternal Autocrat government lead by the former senator.
The chain :
I'd see a mokumentary about him and i think could be the man to lead a US hostile with nazi and commie at the same matter with a Paternal Autocrat government lead by the former senator.
The chain :
- UK collapsed (UK sign a peace treaty,yet implemented, with Axis and an UK is out of war)
- Shocking news (in US)
- The war is not over (US government want to fight again)
- Peace demonstration in NY (to stop war and for an isolation policy + dissent)
- Peace demonstration in Washington (to stop war and for an isolation policy + dissent)
- Riots in Seattle (the demonstrations goes hot)
- Riots in Boston (the demonstrations goes hot)
- UN council in Ottawa (UN council in Ottawa with the remainant UN countries, high dissent between the allies)
- The US President goes to dimissions (too much dissent in the US, his hopes it's an end of demonstrations)
- Military coup d'etat (Coup of military and new McCarty new Head of Government)
- Constitutional Government of US (Constitutional Council as HoS, McCarty as HoG redraw of US Constitution)
- Rejkyavik peace accord (Peace talks with Axis)
- US out from UN
- UN collapse
- McCarty as new HoS and the speech : a world divided (US accept domination of Axis in Europe, Middle East and Africa but US will have domination over America continent, Oceania and Asia)
- Operation Bear : Occupation of Canada
- Align Mexico (or war)
- Intervention at Cuba
- Carribean securization
- Central America securization
- Align Brazil and Argentina (or war)
- Align Great Colombia (yes, there will be a Great Colombia, fascist or commie. Or war)
- Pax Americana (when all chain is over for American Continent)
Dang this mod took a strange direction, for one, I don't believe the Reich would actually possess domination over Africa.
I've always thought that the most likely scenario after a Nazi Victory would be domination in Europe, while the colonies in Africa are taken away from axis countries. (Cof, Italy, cof)
In America I don't see a plausible coup I know it's important to make the mod interesting and fun to play but, I don't know, it's just kinda weird to see something like that taking place in USA.
I think that the general direction this mod had was quite good and don't misunderstand this, I love this mod but I felt it quite unique while I feel it's now taking a Kaiserreich-y shift.
Anyways, this is just my opinion, not shading the mod nor the creator.
I've always thought that the most likely scenario after a Nazi Victory would be domination in Europe, while the colonies in Africa are taken away from axis countries. (Cof, Italy, cof)
In America I don't see a plausible coup I know it's important to make the mod interesting and fun to play but, I don't know, it's just kinda weird to see something like that taking place in USA.
I think that the general direction this mod had was quite good and don't misunderstand this, I love this mod but I felt it quite unique while I feel it's now taking a Kaiserreich-y shift.
Anyways, this is just my opinion, not shading the mod nor the creator.