• We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.

Dunerat

Banned
Oct 15, 2022
183
495
1661922832919605.jpg

As shown in recent minor updates to how Faiths in CK3 work, I propose an expansion across the board to further detail faiths by reworking/splitting apart existing (non-Marriage) Doctrines they have.

1. Crime Doctrines:

1.1 Same-Sex Relations - from Criminal/Shunned/Accepted scale to Criminal (MM, FF), Criminal (M) + Shunned (F) or vice versal, Shunned (Equal), Accepted (F) Shunned (M) or vice versa, Accepted (All). The exact specifics are dependent on the very Faith itself, with the faith's stances of Gender in other departments used as placeholders in cases it is unclear or the devs are stumped on a particular faith's choice.

1.2 Adultery - Same as above, simply converged into one category instead of two. Most Male-centric/dominated Faiths will place Female adultery one degree harsher of judgement on the scale, same for hypothetical Female-dominated ones;
1.3 Kinslaying - no changes
1.4 Witchcraft - these changes are more thematic than mechanical. Witchcraft needs localization changes for faiths where Witchcraft is at least Shunned up to Virtuous to not invoke the [Evil God] in their rituals, because that doesn't make sense, they are supposedly communing (or believing to commune) with benevolent entities. Also, Slavic faith should not have Witchcraft as Criminal, they have an entire pagan god Veles/Volos, who is part of cosmic balance with the "good guy" Sky God Perun, that is god of Magic.

2. Clerical Doctrines:

2.1 Clerical Gender - familiar to the changes above, Clerical Gender to now have Preferences. These work exactly how Rulership preferences of State do - namely, they go from scale of [Gender Only] to [Gender-Preferred] to [Equal] to [Other Gender Preferred] to [Other Gender Only]. As a good chunk of Faiths' clergy make these appointments outside of player input, any deviations from particular Preference of the faith in their Realm Priest/Chaplain/etc Generation will simply be a percentage chance. I.E A faith may have Male Preferred as Clerical Gender doctrine, but as long as it is not Male Only, every once in a while a Female realm priest may get generated.

2.2 Head of Faith Gender - this is a new, off-branch doctrine from the one above, available only to faiths who do have HoF. It functions the same as Clerical Gender, but regulates only the HoF's Gender (and/or the highest institutional echelon of the Faith).

3. Views of (Ruling) Gender - the main doctrine. Whenever a State converts to a new faith it should now automatically apply the relevant Gender Law into place. Also, unless such an AI weighting already exists, AI men or women should consider their own gender in their decision-making so that they do not convert into a faith that strips power away from them.

Here are some examples (using some info off the wiki for cross-reference) with the above changes:

Catholicism

Views of Ruling Gender: Male-Preferred
Same-Sex Relations: Male - Shunned, Female - Shunned
Adultery: Male - Shunned, Female - Criminal
Clerical Gender - Male-Preferred
Head of Faith Gender - Male Only

Orthodoxy

Views of Ruling Gender: Male-Preferred
Same-Sex Relations: Male - Shunned, Female - Shunned
Adultery: Male - Shunned, Female - Criminal
Clerical Gender - Male Only
Head of Faith Gender - Male Only

Bogomilism

Views of Ruling Gender: Male-Preferred #They were adamant in Preacher equality, highly unlikely they advocated for same equality within Rulership
Same-Sex Relations: Male - Shunned, Female - Accepted #The Bible says "Thou Shant lay down with another man" not a woman; + a huge dose of Gnostic lax influences
Adultery: Male - Shunned, Female - Criminal
Clerical Gender - Equal
Head of Faith Gender - N/A

Ash'arism

Views of Ruling Gender: Male Only
Same-Sex Relations: Male - Shunned, Female - Shunned
Adultery: Male - Shunned, Female - Criminal
Clerical Gender - Male Only
Head of Faith Gender - Male Only

Feel free to provide more examples using the same template down in the comments below!
Hit the bell and subscr---wait.....

Thoughts?
 
Interesting, but I think that some things of this are overcomplicated.
I will have to disagree here - it only looks long-worded; technically and practically speaking, it is merely adding up to four (?) minor subcategories of doctrines already present within the game (subcategories simply being more concrete on genders). It is no more intensive than the recent judaism touch-up that gave their Faiths the subcategories of halakha Authority, from which they objectively gained better gameplay and flavour value.
+ the Head of Faith gender doctrine, which is technically a new category to be added but not really - it further clarifies things and in addition to that, many CK3 fans have long expressed desire to differentiate between genders of laymen clergy, bisphoric/regional-administrative clergy of authority (realm chaplains and other such, who albeit rare could be female in male-dominated faiths), and the HoFs (no female popes or patriarchs or caliphs can ever exist), in the game.