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Bandua_of_Gallaecia said:
The region borders seem very different from the historical Roman borders, i understand some changes are necessary for gameplay purposes and other borders are debatable, but there is no reason to drastically change it so much, especially objective borders which flow along rivers like the Douro border between Gallaecia and Lusitania and the Guadiana border between Lusitania and Baetica.

The worse offender of these borders is probably Gallaecia, which loses its own capital "Bracara Augusta" to Lusitania.
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I agree. Bracaria is described as a Callaecian tribe but is placed outside Gallaecia (Of which it ended up being the capital). It would make more sense for the southern border of Gallaecia to reach the Douro river, as it did historically.
 
I can't wait to play Carthage and mess around with this Iberian hornet nest. Carthago Nova, here I come!
 
Bandua_of_Gallaecia said:
The region borders seem very different from the historical Roman borders, i understand some changes are necessary for gameplay purposes and other borders are debatable, but there is no reason to drastically change it so much, especially objective borders which flow along rivers like the Douro border between Gallaecia and Lusitania and the Guadiana border between Lusitania and Baetica.

The worse offender of these borders is probably Gallaecia, which loses its own capital "Bracara Augusta" to Lusitania.
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The description of the regions in the post lists the areas north of Douro as part of Gallaecia and not Lusitania while the first picture differs from that. So, some clarification about the Douro border from the devs may be necessary.

Also, the Guadiana border was made right after the end of the game with Augustus Caesar's territorial reforms. Ossonoba and the Cynetes were aggregated into Hispania Ulterior until then: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynetes. Likewise, Bracara Augusta wasn't founded until after the end of the game with the reign of Augustus.
 
mathuser said:
Ossonoba and the Cynetes were aggregated into Hispania Ulterior until then:
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But Baetica is not the same thing as Hispania Ulterior, and in this game the region is Baetica, so in my opinion it should keep baetica's borders (even if only for the pretty natural borders).

mathuser said:
Likewise, Bracara Augusta wasn't founded until after the end of the game with the reign of Augustus.
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Yes, "Bracara Augusta", the Roman City, was founded after the end of the game, but there were several Bracarii settlements in that location and around it dating from way before the game started.
 
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Holy moly seeing the amount of provinces as a CK2 veteran got me rock hard.
 
I am very enthusiastic of this period of my country even have been myself participating in some archeology sites in Hispania, I fact I have been directed here from some archeology group.

The details on the smaller regions is very accurate, and this might be the first game addressing this, however I cannot say the same about the administrative regions:

While they appear to match somehow the roman provinces, however Contestania(https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contestanos) was not a roman province, I would say there is an error here, and you meant to place the Carthaginesis(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispania_Carthaginensis).

As a current Iberian pre-roman history fan, will like to see this administrative division more matching the cultural origin as mentions @Bandua_of_Gallaecia and all the references he has provided in this thread, instead of the Roman provinces. Quoting him "[...] Like the Celts (Gallaecians, Asturians, Cantabrians and Celtiberians(?)), the Indo-European Proto-Celts (Lusitanians and Vettones) the non-Indo-Europeans (Vascones, Iberians, Celtiberians(?)), the Hellenics (Greeks) and the Punics (Carthaginians)"

So personally regarding these higher level divisions, (still keeping in mind we are in a Game) I would like to see them maching with: iberians, Tartessians(Greek historians referencing them as the most advanced of the Iberians), Celtiberians. Lusitanians, Aquitanians/Vascones(Why divide the current Spanish & French side?), and Gallaecians/Celts.

And some references for units & weapons:

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hondero_balear
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcata
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soliferrum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladius (the Romans adopted swords similar to those used by the Celtiberians and others during the early part of the conquest of Hispania. This sword was known as the gladius hispaniensis, or "Hispanic sword".[2])
 
LusitanianDruid said:
While they appear to match somehow the roman provinces, however Contestania(https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contestanos) was not a roman province, I would say there is an error here, and you meant to place the Carthaginesis(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispania_Carthaginensis).
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Problem is the game starts in 304 and there was no Carthago Nova yet which was only foundet in 230 BC. And Carthaginesis was named after Carthago Nova. So it doesn't really make sense to call it that yet.
 
Thure said:
Problem is the game starts in 304 and there was no Carthago Nova yet which was only foundet in 230 BC. And Carthaginesis was named after Carthago Nova. So it doesn't really make sense to call it that yet.
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But @Thure, Tarraco (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarraco) was founded even after Carthago Nova, and the administrative map shows the Tarraconensis, it is not coherent then.
Any Spanish who still remembers a bit his history lessons of the school would be surprised by seeing Contestania.

If you really need to show a division at the age of 304BC and be the closer to the actual history, as I mentioned, I would recommend following the cultural regions. The good side is that there are not big differences between their extensions, making this fact still suitable for a game.
 
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Trin Tragula said:
Hello and welcome to this Christmas Developer Diary for Imperator:Rome!

Lusitania:
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Divided between Turduli, Celtici and Lusitanian tribes the region of Lusitania is as of yet free from direct foreign influence from Carthaginians, or Greeks. The region is perhaps not as endowed with agricultural and mining resources (though there are precious metal mines here as well) as Baetica to the south but still represents considerable wealth and power to anyone who can unify it.

Starting Countries:
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  • Oppidania: Offshot from the Turduli people also found in Baetica. The Oppidani occupy much of the coastline of modern Portugal, but they have few friends in a region almost entirely dominated by Lusitanian tribes. Oppidania starts independent and unaligned.
  • Celticia: Celtiberian tribe north of Turdulia, most likely related to the celtiberi to the north. Would historically come to submit to the Carthaginians when they began to expand their influence over southern Hispania. Celticia starts independent and unaligned.
  • Sefia: Celtician Tribal Kingdom south of Oppidania and north of Cynetia. Starts independent and unaligned.
  • Cempsia: Another Celtician Tribal Kingdom, closely related to Sefia. Starts independent and unaligned.
  • Bardulia: Triba Turdulil kingdom surrounding by bigger neighbors. With Tartessia to the south, Turdulia to the east and Celticia to the north the Barduli are going to need to find friends quickly. Barduli starts independent and unaligned.
Lusitanian Tribes:​
Tribal continuum between the Douro and Tagus rivers. While the Lusitanian tribes were far from united in 304 BCE they historically managed to band together to go on the offensive against Carthage and later Rome. Like other tribes described any of the Lusitani countries can form a greater Lusitanian federation if it subdues or conquers all the other tribes. The following countries are all independent Tribal Kingdoms, and unaligned:
  • Paesuria
  • Elbocoria
  • Tapolia
  • Igaedetania
  • Lancientia
  • Aravia
  • Taluria
Vettonian Tribes:​
In the center of the Iberian plain the Vettonian tribes have settled in the past century (their origin is not entirely clear). In their near area the Vettones were often allies of the Lusitani against greater common threats such as the Carthaginians. If any Vettonian tribe unites the region by force or diplomacy they can form the larger Vettonian Federation. The following Vettonian countries are all unaligned, independent tribal kingdoms at the start of the game:
  • Bletonisia
  • Caluria
  • Coerensia
  • Calontiensia
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The Tagus estuary and the Sado bay are missing in the map, I think you should include them, they are prominent geographic features
 
I have been told that Iberians will use the North African military traditions. Is this the truth, is there an official source?
 
migalhone said:
I have been told that Iberians will use the North African military traditions. Is this the truth, is there an official source?
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I looked at the streams but could not see what traditions the iberians use. The only hint I got was then I could see the text of the barbarian traditions in which the hispanic are mentioned.
 
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