CoT kill script program

[Galleblære]

Would it be possible to add some sort of button in the IGC that kills/deletes unecesary CoT's in a savegame? It is simple enough to delete them by hand, but so much easier just to click a button!

Example:

If Cotvalue > 60 then delete cot
If Holland exist then delete CoT flanders

etc etc

Perhaps uncecessary, but the player could hit the "clean" button before loading a game, and make Europe slightly less populated with CoTs...

 

[unmerged(8451)]

That doesn't sound like too bad of an idea, if it can be done.

But the problem is, who is capable of writing it? We are in desperate need of someone with programming expertise...

 

[unmerged(6159)]

This requires a major hack of the source code. Effectively not possible. Certainly not legally.

 

[unmerged(2833)]

Originally posted by Isaac Brock
This requires a major hack of the source code. Effectively not possible. Certainly not legally.

Uh? Program which reads the savefile.txt outside the game and deletes few lines?

 

[unmerged(6159)]

Sorry. You mean a utility that works on the savegame vs. in-game. Sorry.

 

[unmerged(5822)]

Originally posted by Isaac Brock
This requires a major hack of the source code. Effectively not possible. Certainly not legally.

I think you misread the post; the application would only affect saved games, not any ongoing games.

 

[Galleblære]

Yes. I was not talking about altering the game, just about a utility (possibly from within the igc menu) that could screen a save-game, and remove certain CoT's

It could even be as simple as

if year xxx then remove cot province=xxxx

(Ie, removing the cot in flanders when holland raises, remove the cot in portugal when the spanish take over, remove the one in novgorod when(if) the one in muscovny shows up etc.

So, the script would just search the save game for certain values, and remove redundant cot's. It is possible, but Im not skilled enough to do it...heck, I can hardly create a loop program with matlab..

 

[AlanC9]

You need more than just a date check. You also need to check that the supposedly redundant CoT exists.

Anyway, is this worth the effort? Personally, I always liked having two CoTs as Russia-- more trade taxes, and you don't have to worry about competition too much.

 

[unmerged(5822)]

It may be nice to have them, but is it good for the game?

 

[unmerged(9563)]

Well I think everyone agrees a Flandern with a value of 14 is pretty worthless....

 

[Johnny Canuck]

Originally posted by KwangTiger
Well I think everyone agrees a Flandern with a value of 14 is pretty worthless....

In my last several GCs, the COTs in both Flanders & Holland had values over 100 once the Dutch got into the colonial sphere. I would suggest that the Flanders COT only be removed if the COT value is below a certain value (say, 50?).

 

[AlanC9]

Originally posted by KwangTiger
Well I think everyone agrees a Flandern with a value of 14 is pretty worthless....

Except that you'll still get well over 30 additional trade tax from the merchants in the CoT, even if the trade itself is worthless. And if you own Flandern, it'll get a trade boost when you start colonizing.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain why having multiple CoTs is bad. I don't much care if the tool to remove them gets made or not -- it's not like I'd have to use it. I just don't follow the reasoning.

 

[unmerged(6159)]

Because the AI and the autosend will keep sending merchants to a COT that is too small for them to ever do any good, whereas the human will just ignore them. Yet another penalty for the AI.

 

[AlanC9]

Thank you.

 

[celedhring]

And it's unhistorical. In the event that opens Moscow's CoT the historical reason was to kill Novgorod as a trade hub in the East, yet the CoT stays there.

And I would love to be able to have a CoT in Barcelona at the start of the game (it was a very important Mediterranean trading port) and kill it when the Andalusia one appears (as it happened historically as trade switched from the Med to the Atlantic)

 

[unmerged(6159)]

Yes that would be good. Stop Lisbon from being so huge in the 15th century.

 

[AlanC9]

Are CoT values even in the savegame? My impression was that they're dynamically generated, and that the save merely tracks CoT locations and merchants present.

So you'd have to work from the date list suggested below ("remove Novgorod in 150", etc.) And include an event to remind the player to save and use the tool on the appropriate date.

 

[Havard]

Originally posted by AlanC9
Are CoT values even in the savegame? My impression was that they're dynamically generated, and that the save merely tracks CoT locations and merchants present.

So you'd have to work from the date list suggested below ("remove Novgorod in 150", etc.) And include an event to remind the player to save and use the tool on the appropriate date.

Well, the value for each country is listed, so it should be an easy task to summarize...

 

[unmerged(5664)]

You'd still have to exit your game, and then re-load in order to kill the COT - rather a pain

 

[unmerged(9563)]

I wouldn't kill Lisbon right away, Portugal was the richest country in Europe for a while, maybe when Spain gets them as a vassal / country it goes away.