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I commented on this in the announcement post, and got a lot of people disagreeing with me. It made me think twice, for sure, but I can't stop thinking about it. Am I going crazy? does it really look normal to everyone else?
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Imo, this image looks a lot like AI art being used directly in official promotional material. Maybe it has been touched up a little, but... it can't be by that much. I know Paradox has been using AI tools to generate images to then build off of, but this seems like another step in the AI direction. Or an example of why having artists guided by AI isn't a very good idea.

I'll try to break down my observations into points to at least explain where my feelings are coming from in this case.

Point 1: This one is very simple; for some reason, AI art is obsessed with side and backlight on the faces and in the hair of their subjects, if you've seen semi-realistic AI art you've likely noticed this trend yourself. And this piece of art leans very heavily on the sidelight. This isn't a very strong point on its own, and although it's part of what made me wary I wouldn't have made this post if there wasn't something else.

Point 2: Hair and fur. AI art has a tendency to go a little overboard with the waviness of hair. It tends to spread out and curl outwards significantly.
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Imo, this is also visible here in the curling of his hair and the fur floak. The cloak especially almost looks feathery. But once again, if these were the only two things, I wouldn't be making this post.

Point 3: And the thing that I kept going back to and the part that really makes me think this is AI. The patterns on the trim of their clothes. It simply makes no sense.
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Look here at the patterns on our central figure. Real human clothing with trims like this usually have consistent, symmetrical, and coherent patterns. This one is... I have no idea what it is. Sometimes it's an 8-figure that badly lines up with the 8-figure below it and the unfinished 8-figure above it. Sometimes it's a swirly spiral pattern that smoothly transitions along until it hits another weird 8-figure.

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Further down it turns into some other completely incoherent mess. Look at how part of it doesn't even keep a smooth shape. I simply do not understand how you could look at this and think a human being drew it. Or that it's meant to be a piece of clothing a real human would have sewn.
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His circlet is much the same. Swirling incoherent nonsense patterns. Typical of AI.
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And so it is with the patterns on the woman's cloak. It's a bit harder to tell, however, due to the added complexity of the pattern. But this also looks deeply incoherent to me.

So there you go. I'm curious to see what people think when they've had it pointed out to them. Maybe you will all disagree with me. But at least I've been able to have my say.
 
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I commented on this in the announcement post, and got a lot of people disagreeing with me. It made me think twice, for sure, but I can't stop thinking about it. Am I going crazy? does it really look normal to everyone else?View attachment 1205621
Imo, this image looks a lot like AI art being used directly in official promotional material. Maybe it has been touched up a little, but... it can't be by that much. I know Paradox has been using AI tools to generate images to then build off of, but this seems like another step in the AI direction. Or an example of why having artists guided by AI isn't a very good idea.

I'll try to break down my observations into points to at least explain where my feelings are coming from in this case.

Point 1: This one is very simple; for some reason, AI art is obsessed with side and backlight on the faces and in the hair of their subjects, if you've seen semi-realistic AI art you've likely noticed this trend yourself. And this piece of art leans very heavily on the sidelight. This isn't a very strong point on its own, and although it's part of what made me wary I wouldn't have made this post if there wasn't something else.

Point 2: Hair and fur. AI art has a tendency to go a little overboard with the waviness of hair. It tends to spread out and curl outwards significantly.View attachment 1205628
Imo, this is also visible here in the curling of his hair and the fur floak. The cloak especially almost looks feathery. But once again, if these were the only two things, I wouldn't be making this post.

Point 3: And the thing that I kept going back to and the part that really makes me think this is AI. The patterns on the trim of their clothes. It simply makes no sense.
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Look here at the patterns on our central figure. Real human clothing with trims like this usually have consistent, symmetrical, and coherent patterns. This one is... I have no idea what it is. Sometimes it's an 8-figure that badly lines up with the 8-figure below it and the unfinished 8-figure above it. Sometimes it's a swirly spiral pattern that smoothly transitions along until it hits another weird 8-figure.

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Further down it turns into some other completely incoherent mess. Look at how part of it doesn't even keep a smooth shape. I simply do not understand how you could look at this and think a human being drew it. Or that it's meant to be a piece of clothing a real human would have sewn.
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His circlet is much the same. Swirling incoherent nonsense patterns. Typical of AI.
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And so it is with the patterns on the woman's cloak. It's a bit harder to tell, however, due to the added complexity of the pattern. But this also looks deeply incoherent to me.

So there you go. I'm curious to see what people think when they've had it pointed out to them. Maybe you will all disagree with me. But at least I've been able to have my say.

I think you might be right. None of the ornaments make any sense and no human artist or craftsman in that time period would have used them.

Two other things I noticed:

1. The little finger of the hand of the woman on the right seems weird/ too long.

2. What the heck does the guy on the left have next to his right ear? I can't even make out what it's supposed to be and it looks completely out of place.
 
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We have had this discussion before about another piece of art and they debunked the claim that it was AI generated by posting a mini dev diary about the creation process.

The post itself was very interesting, I love reading about that stuff (I love the art part of all dev diaries) but I felt bad for the artist whilst reading that one. Lets be careful with these accusations.
 
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We have had this discussion before about another piece of art and they debunked the claim that it was AI generated by posting a mini dev diary about the creation process.

The post itself was very interesting, I love reading about that stuff (I love the art part of all dev diaries) but I felt bad for the artist whilst reading that one. Lets be careful with these accusations.
I am careful. I've been on these forums a long time and haven't made an accusation like this until now. I read that dev diary, and I even referenced it in this post. But this art is particularly egregious.
I know Paradox has been using AI tools to generate images to then build off of, but this seems like another step in the AI direction.
Right here.

I'm saying this is worse. It's one thing to use AI as inspiration and then make real art on top of it. It's another to post art like this. Where the difference between the AI and the art is so small that all these mistakes are still in it.
 
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No one mentioned the oil lamp? Somehow we're seeing the bottom at this angle, and while not impossible, it's odd that he's holding it by pinching the handle instead of putting his index finger through the handle
 
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With AI art becoming less distinguishable with non-AI art, I'm sure the OP will go far to make threads like this for every new piece from PDX. Such fun future lies ahead /s
 
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With AI art becoming less distinguishable with non-AI art, I'm sure the OP will go far to make threads like this for every new piece from PDX. Such fun future lies ahead /s
It's not particularly less distinguishable. It still looks bad. That's the whole reason I can tell.
 
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I couldent really care less if it was. Chat GPT and Bing are capable of making gorgeous fantasy/historical art if your prompts are detailed enough. And art is always the biggest bottleneck for small companies like Paradox. Minor holding art, scren art, throwaway promotional art. Whatever man, free the artists up forother stuff.
 
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I couldent really care less if it was. Chat GPT and Bing are capable of making gorgeous fantasy/historical art if your prompts are detailed enough. And art is always the biggest bottleneck for small companies like Paradox. Minor holding art, scren art, throwaway promotional art. Whatever man, free the artists up forother stuff.

Or maybe a company that makes $245 million a year can afford to pay actual artists.

I'm not saying they don't, mind. But this is one of the silliest defenses of a big company using AI art that I've seen yet. And yes, PDX is a big company. If PDX needs to use AI to "free up their artists" then they're being wildly mismanaged and they have a lot bigger problems than their artists.

As for the topic itself, the art in the OP does look a little off. I'm not the best at picking out AI unless it's that very obvious cartoony style you see in every low budget AI asset VN ever, but it definitely doesn't look like CK3's usual style. Though that could be largely because the source of the unusual lighting is coming from the lamp, and PDX art is usually lit very evenly.
 
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I couldent really care less if it was. Chat GPT and Bing are capable of making gorgeous fantasy/historical art if your prompts are detailed enough. And art is always the biggest bottleneck for small companies like Paradox. Minor holding art, scren art, throwaway promotional art. Whatever man, free the artists up forother stuff.
Lmao, yeah "free them up" from all that gainful employment.
 
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