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China and catholic faith

A discussion started in Italy Thread about Chinese Rites Controversy in post 609 and following.
As stated in post 615, two new chinese events are possible:
I propose to make two new events for China:
First one would be triggered by PAP251012 action_b, and just inform China that the Pope accepted "Ancestor worship is filial piety" in 1704.
Second one will have first one as trigger condition with same date, offset and deathdate as CHI10036 (1722-1723) but only with action_b (since there is no reason to expell them now => no exotic tech => boost for AI). Consequences are more or less like White Lotus, Celestial Order or Eight Trigrams ones, but with tech change effects avoided. Not bad...
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In the article (Chinese Rites controversy), two sentences are interesting for fantasy events:
At the time, there was fascination among European intellectuals with Chinese culture, Confucianism, and the Chinese language. Some even pretended that the Church declared Confucius as a Christian saint.
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Although in later European commentary on China it has continued to be claimed that Confucianism is a "philosophy" and not a "religion" - because it does not conform to the model of western religions, the pope was probably correct in his assessment that the Confucian rituals were indeed in conflict with Christian teaching. As a result, he gave up a very good opportunity to convert a significant part of the Chinese elite to Catholicism.
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If confucian rituals are accepted by the Pope (PAP251012 action_b), there could be a PAP event to declare Confucius as a Christian saint (innovative +2) or not.
As a result, if yes, China could "convert" to catholicism (as Japan can) and go away from exotic techgroup, if ever. I have to check chinese events for all possible techgroup changes. There is only a tiny chance this to happen, but this is a plausible ahistoric path.

Btw, if PAP doesn't exist, we must write all PAP events involved for MUS tag and check in chinese events if PAP or MUS corresponding event fired when needed.

What do you think here of these ideas?
 
Seems like total fantasy to me. No matter what that author says, and as hard as I try, I cannot imaging neither the Catholic church declaring Confucio a saint, nor a country like China converting. Already the conversion of Japan seems like a too big stretch of imagination.
 
Yes, we are talking about Fantasy in Confucius/Conversion sequence but there is a historical background at stated in the article, it is more "Plausability". That's why I asked if it was a good idea. I'm not for neither against this idea, the question is: does it makes sense if Chinese elite is converted, as it could have happened without Pope's decree?
Nevertheless, I see it only in action b of each event => very, very tiny chance... (5,6% of 5,6%) with a choice not depending on player's actions (if China).
AND it could be directly in a Fantasy China (including PAP event) => not at all if no will

What about first sequence (PAP251012 action_b #Chinese Rites)? This is only about tweaking existing sequence.
 
0.25 % chance seems about right ;), but if you are not leaving it in the hands of the player then you are working for nothing. You will have to play 1000 games before you have a small chance of seeing it happen.
 
To me both sounds very much like high fantasy. Have the Church even beatified anyone who didn't confess himself to Christ, or even knew of him? Not that I know of. It would alter the history of China tremendously, and even if there are a lot of Chinese Christians today, the country is huge. What events should be slept afterwards etc? I suggest we scrap that idea.
 
Norrefeldt said:
To me both sounds very much like high fantasy. Have the Church even beatified anyone who didn't confess himself to Christ, or even knew of him? Not that I know of. It would alter the history of China tremendously, and even if there are a lot of Chinese Christians today, the country is huge. What events should be slept afterwards etc? I suggest we scrap that idea.
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OK, let's forget it. I just learned something today about what "could have been" jesuits influence in China and what it was with Chinese elite before Pope's decree. Not bad...
 
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About naval events, RR is added for EUII changes but inflation is not lowered...

Proposed events (changes in gold):
Code: 
#Treasure Fleet policy debate#
event = {
	id = 10044
	random = no
	country = CHI
	name = "Treasure Fleet policy debate"
	desc = "EVENTHIST3703"
	style = 1
	date = { month = September year = 1424 } 
	action_a ={		
		name = "Suspend the activities of the fleet"
		command = { type = colonists value = -2 } 
		command = { type = merchants value = -2 } 
		command = { type = diplomats value = -1 } 
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = land value = 2500 }
		command = { type = infra value = 2500 }
		command = { type = naval value = -3500 }
		command = { type = trade value = -1500 }
		command = { type = domestic which = MERCANTILISM value = -1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = LAND value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = OFFENSIVE value = -1 }
		command = { type = clrflag which = treasure_fleet_voyages }
		command = { type = ai which = China_2RenZong.ai }
	}
	action_b ={		
		name = "Continue our expansion"
		command = { type = warships which = [COLOR=gold]-1[/COLOR] value = 10 }  
		command = { type = transports which = -3 value = 5 } 
		command = { type = colonists value = 2 } 
		command = { type = merchants value = 4 } 
		command = { type = diplomats value = 2 } 
		command = { type = land value = -1500 }
		command = { type = infra value = -1500 }
		command = { type = naval value = 2000 }
		command = { type = trade value = 1000 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 8 }
		command = { type = inflation value = [COLOR=gold]3[/COLOR] } 
		command = { type = treasury value = -800 }
		command = { type = ADM which = -2 value = 60 }
		command = { type = DIP which = 2 value = 60 }
		command = { type = setflag which = treasure_fleet_voyages }
	}
}

#Recommissioning of Zheng He#
event = {
	id = 10045
	country = CHI
	name = "Recommissioning of Zheng He"
	desc = "Although Xuan Zong was an Emperor under strong Confucian influence and concentrated on domestic affairs, he tried to keep military generals content whilst pursuing his conservative policies. One such attempt was the recomissioning of Treasure Fleet voyages headed by Zheng He in AD 1430. He felt that the amount of incoming tribute was declining and ordered a new voyage to gain back the Empire's influence on foreign countries. Moreover, he felt that it would not cost a lot to the Empire as this voyage only made use of ships that were otherwise left idle to decay in the ports."
	style = 1
	date = { month = April year = 1430 } 
	action_a ={		
		name = "Once again for the glory of China"
		command = { type = colonists value = 1 } 
		command = { type = merchants value = 2 } 
		command = { type = diplomats value = 2 }
		command = { type = land value = -1000 }
		command = { type = infra value = -1000 }
		command = { type = naval value = 2000 }
		command = { type = trade value = 1000 } 
		command = { type = domestic which = ARISTOCRACY value = -1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = MERCANTILISM value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = LAND value = -1 }
		command = { type = DIP which = 2 value = 60 } 
		command = { type = treasury value = -250 }
		command = { type = setflag which = treasure_fleet_voyages }
		command = { type = ai which = China_4XuanZong_ZhengHe.ai }
	}
	action_b ={		
		name = "Zheng He's time has passed"
		command = { type = colonists value = -1 } 
		command = { type = merchants value = -1 } 
		command = { type = diplomats value = -1 } 
		command = { type = land value = 1500 }
		command = { type = infra value = 1500 }
		command = { type = naval value = -2500 }
		command = { type = trade value = -1200 }
		command = { type = clrflag which = treasure_fleet_voyages }
	}
}

#Fate of the Treasure Fleet#
event = {
	id = 10046
	random = no
	country = CHI
	name = "Fate of the Treasure Fleet"
	desc = "After the death of Xuan Zong, the Three Yang became counsels to the Imperial administration. Zheng He has also died and these Confucian bureaucrats questioned the costly  maintenance of the massive Treasure Fleet, especially when there were more pressing concerns on the land borders and internal affair. The emperor placed a ban on all construction of new ocean-going vessels."
	style = 1

	date = { day = 1 month = April year = 1436 } 
	offset = 120
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = october year = 1436 } 

	action_a ={		
		name = "Ban all construction"
		command = { type = gainmanufactory which = -2 value = luxury }
		command = { type = gainbuilding which = -1 value = bailiff }  
		command = { type = losebuilding which = -1 value = shipyard }
		command = { type = colonists value = -4 } 
		command = { type = merchants value = -4 } 
		command = { type = diplomats value = -2 } 
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = land value = 4500 }
		command = { type = infra value = 4500 }
		command = { type = naval value = -7000 }
		command = { type = trade value = -2000 }
		command = { type = domestic which = ARISTOCRACY value = 1 }		
		command = { type = domestic which = INNOVATIVE value = -1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = MERCANTILISM value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = LAND value = 2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = OFFENSIVE value = -1 }
		command = { type = clrflag which = treasure_fleet_voyages }
		command = { type = ai which = China_5YingZong_Counsel.ai }
	}
	action_b ={
		name = "It won't hurt to keep making some cheaper ones"
		command = { type = colonists value = -2 } 
		command = { type = merchants value = -2 } 
		command = { type = diplomats value = -1 } 
		command = { type = land value = 2000 }
		command = { type = infra value = 2000 }
		command = { type = naval value = -3000 }
		command = { type = trade value = -1000 }
		command = { type = domestic which = INNOVATIVE value = -1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = LAND value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = OFFENSIVE value = -1 }
		command = { type = ADM  which = -2 value = 90 }
		command = { type = DIP which = -1 value = 180 }
		command = { type = inflation value = [COLOR=gold]1[/COLOR] }
		command = { type = clrflag which = treasure_fleet_voyages }   
		command = { type = ai which = China_5YingZong_Counsel.ai }
	}
	action_c ={		
		name = " We will rule the seas forever!"
		command = { type = warships which = [COLOR=gold]-1[/COLOR] value = 10 } 
		command = { type = transports which = -3 value = 5 } 
		command = { type = gainbuilding which = 653 value = shipyard} #Shanghai
		command = { type = losebuilding which = -1 value = bailiff }  
		command = { type = losebuilding which = -1 value = bailiff }   
		command = { type = colonists value = 6 } 
		command = { type = merchants value = 6 } 
		command = { type = diplomats value = 2 } 
		command = { type = land value = -4000 }
		command = { type = infra value = -5000 }
		command = { type = naval value = 6000 }
		command = { type = trade value = 3000 }
		command = { type = wakeleader which = 08854 } # New explorer
		command = { type = domestic which = ARISTOCRACY value = -1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = MERCANTILISM value = -2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = LAND value = -2 }
		command = { type = treasury value = -1400 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 180 value = 15 }
		[COLOR=gold]command = { type = revoltrisk which = 120 value = 10 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 5 }[/COLOR]
		command = { type = inflation value = [COLOR=gold]4[/COLOR] } 
		command = { type = ADM  which = -2 value = 180 } 
		command = { type = DIP which = 2 value = 180 }
		command = { type = setflag which = treasure_fleet_voyages }
		command = { type = ai which = china_expansionist.ai }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 10047 } #Dismantling of the fleet
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 10005 } #Japanese Pirates Attack
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 10006 } #Pirates besiege Nanjing
	}
}

#Dismantling of the fleet#
event = {
	id = 10047
	random = no
	country = CHI
	name = "Dismantling of the fleet"
	desc = "In 1525, the emperor authorized officials to destroy any ocean-going vessels that China still posessed."
	style = 1

	date = { day = 1 month = April year = 1525 } 
	offset = 120
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = october year = 1525 } 

	action_a ={		
		name = "These vessels are nothing but a drain on our budget"
		command = { type = gainbuilding which = -2 value = courthouse }  
		command = { type = gainbuilding which = -1 value = bailiff }
		command = { type = losebuilding which = -1 value = shipyard }
		command = { type = colonists value = -2 } 
		command = { type = merchants value = -2 } 
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = land value = 2000 }
		command = { type = infra value = 4000 }
		command = { type = naval value = -5000 }
		command = { type = trade value = -1000 }
		command = { type = domestic which = MERCANTILISM value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = LAND value = 2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = OFFENSIVE value = -1 }
		command = { type = ADM which = 2 value = 120 } 
	}
	action_b ={
		name = "Not all the ships are useless"
		command = { type = land value = 1500 }
		command = { type = infra value = 1500 }
		command = { type = naval value = -2000 }
		command = { type = trade value = -1000 }
		command = { type = domestic which = LAND value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = OFFENSIVE value = -1 }
		command = { type = ADM  which = -2 value = 60 }
		command = { type = DIP which = -1 value = 120 }
		command = { type = inflation value = [COLOR=gold]1[/COLOR] }   
	}
	action_c ={		
		name = "we need more ships!"
		command = { type = warships which = [COLOR=gold]-1[/COLOR] value = 10 }  
		command = { type = transports which = -3 value = 5 }    
		command = { type = losebuilding which = -1 value = bailiff }
		command = { type = colonists value = 3 } 
		command = { type = merchants value = 4 } 
		command = { type = diplomats value = 1 } 
		command = { type = land value = -3000 }
		command = { type = infra value = -2000 }
		command = { type = naval value = 3500 }
		command = { type = trade value = 1500 }
		command = { type = domestic which = MERCANTILISM value = -1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = LAND value = -1 }
		command = { type = treasury value = -1000 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 120 value = 10 }
		[COLOR=gold]command = { type = revoltrisk which = 80 value = 7 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 40 value = 3 }[/COLOR]
		command = { type = inflation value = [COLOR=gold]3[/COLOR] } 
		command = { type = ADM  which = -2 value = 120 } 
		command = { type = DIP which = 1 value = 120 } 
	}
}
Inflation:
In 10044 action_b: +3 instead of +5
In 10046 action_b: +1 instead of +2
In 10046 action_c: +4 instead of +7 (and because China could build a shipyard for 1100 at this time with navaltech 13, but action_c is gold -1400 => loans, even if 300 gold for 10 warships + 5 transports is cheap). Btw, in 4 years full minting, China could have more money, but not the explorer...
In 10047 action_b: +1 instead of +2
In 10047 action_c: +3 instead of +5

=> inflation +7 for full naval path instead of +12 (but higher revoltrisk now), long before China can build governors.

Btw, in 10037 #The Appointment of Heshen, inflation +7 instead of +10 for same reason.

And misuse of -2 for warships. Hebei, as capital, has no port... => CTD avoided
 
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YodaMaster said:
OK, let's forget it. I just learned something today about what "could have been" jesuits influence in China and what it was with Chinese elite before Pope's decree. Not bad...
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Well its not that its bad, its just that it shouldn't even be as likely as it is in Japan and also there should be a greater chance of conversion to Buddhism or Islam since those have more history there. Since i don't think you want to do those as well, its probably a good idea not to do those events.
 
Jinnai said:
Well its not that its bad, its just that it shouldn't even be as likely as it is in Japan and also there should be a greater chance of conversion to Buddhism or Islam since those have more history there. Since i don't think you want to do those as well, its probably a good idea not to do those events.
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I could have say "let's see later, if ever" ... an add-on to the add-on.
 
I just did a quick rush through Sun_Zi's two threads on the add-ons and I was wondering if we were ever given any justification for the three Lord of XYZ revolters?

3 are new historical revolters for China.
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What are they? How long did they stay independent for? I notice that all 3 have *very* small windows for when they can revolt.
 
Garbon said:
I just did a quick rush through Sun_Zi's two threads on the add-ons and I was wondering if we were ever given any justification for the three Lord of XYZ revolters?

What are they? How long did they stay independent for? I notice that all 3 have *very* small windows for when they can revolt.
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As I stated in post #32 of this thread:
There is no events sequence for Lord of Ning "Zhi Chen Hao". According to add-on revolt.txt, it should come between 1519 and 1550 in Nanchang province (id 1567).
There is no events sequence for Lord of An Hua "Zhi Zhi Pan". According to add-on revolt.txt, it should come between 1510 and 1540 in Xining province (id 1559).

Lord of Han "Zhu Gao Yu" events sequence is complete.
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Lord of Han is between 1425 and 1440 (iirc). The sequence is:
1) independance in 1425,
2) big army for the revolter tied to China's centralization (30 000 - 60 000 men) and eventually 40 000 recruited by China.
2) war (declared by China or Lord, depending on choices, but always)
3)
a - victory for China => inheritance in 1440 (no need to annex the one province minor)
b - victory for Lord of Han (control of Hebei) => immediate inheritance, stability drop event, two ahistorical monarchs for China and some events sleeped for this period and then historic monarchs again.

I understand your question is tied to "wasted" tags for revolters. This could be easily modelable with huge revolt (60 000 rebels, even more) in the involved province (we have the historic background in events descriptions) and simplified sequence for China to crush the revolt but no consequence on chinese monarchs.

There is no event for other lords. Without the problem of tags, I would have only reserved the tags (but not in revolt.txt) and wait for Sun Zi (or anyone else) to provide information for events sequences.

Actually the tags are (country.csv):
ALE;LightYellow;LightOrange;china;CHI;CHI;CHI;CHI; 7;9;1;7;6;7;8;8;0;Lord of Han
ALM;DarkYellow;LightOrange;china;CHI;CHI;CHI;CHI;7 ;9;1;7;6;7;8;8;0;Lord of Ning
ALT;LightOrange;LightOrange;china;CHI;CHI;CHI;CHI; 7;9;1;7;6;7;8;8;0;Lord of An Hua

And we have a problem for shields and flags anyway...

I can redo events for Lord of Han and free all three tags. When information about the other Lords will be available, they will have "same" treatment as Lord of Han. I did a search in english but found nothing. Sun Zi's web sources are in chinese (no need to say I can't even read them...) and there is no source for the other lords...

Btw, as I said in post#30:
and PRT (Oirat) won't be included for the moment. Problem with Mongolia (Khalkha Mongolia) setup, no monarchs, no events and serious issues with RussiaInMongolia events.
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But I think it's a good thing to reserve the PRT tag (or whatever) for future use in this area with (if) provided information.
 
Yea, I've reserved the tags (and we aren't in danger or running out, I think we have somewhere in the ballpark of 42), however I was just wondering as it seems like they are used largely in a revolt type nature.

Oh and the proper Oirat setup, just involves removing all the provinces that they have in common with the Khalka Mongols. At least I thought...
 
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China add-on

As reported by Garbon in tags list, ALE, ALM and ALT are free now and Lord of Han sequence is reworked with rebels and province_revoltrisk (works fine).

About names:
Sun Zi renamed Shan States (TAU) to Mu Bang:
TAU_DESC;Mu Bang is a tribe of the Shan people, people of Thai Chinese stock, who came to Burma (the name was changed to Myanmar in 1989) from Yunnan in southwest China after the 12th century. Mu Bang was a strong tribe and ruled this region of northern Burma, called the Shan States, until the 16th century, when King Bayinnaung established Burmese control over all of the Shan States. This continued until the annexation of Burma to India by Britain in 1885.;;;;;;;;;;1124

Sun Zi renamed "Dai Xi" and "Dai Shun" to "Da Xi" and "Da Shun".
I found "Da Xi guo" to be "Occident Great Kingdom" and I suppose Sun Zi to be very well informed.

Consequence for Mu Bang, Da Xi and Da Shun => all events files and all scenarios have to be reworked for these new names.

For progressive revoltrisk in naval events, after the tests I made in 1.08b, RR is too high, not for revolts but for taxes (and thus inflation) and armies raising (0 and 0 everywhere).
I suggest to tweak RR down, in order to China to "survive" (no new armies and gold for 15 years with revolts everywhere is just impossible... and there is some "troubles" by events in this period too):

10046 action_c
Code: 
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 180 value = 15 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 120 value = 10 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 5 }
=>
Code: 
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 180 value = 9 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 120 value = 6 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 3 }
10047 action_c
Code: 
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 120 value = 10 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 80 value = 7 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 40 value = 3 }
=>
Code: 
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 120 value = 7 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 80 value = 5 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 40 value = 3 }
Chinese events are renumbered in reserved range 147000 (not the vanilla's ones). Events for other countries are moved into proper events file with first available id in corresponding range.
Southern Ming are no longer a revolter. But there is a problem with other chinese revolters (Da Xi, Da Shun and Zhou). I have to check all corresponding events files (duplicated events with China, missing dates ...).
Some Manchu events after 1644 are just copies of CHI original events with "owned=649" (Hebei) as trigger. All these events must be checked too.

Finally, with PAP action_b event with jesuits in China in 1704, I reserved ids 147047 and 147048 for corresponding events (not fantasy, only avoid action_a in China "jesuits expelled" event). Manchus can be involved in this sequence too.

EDIT; Oirat (PRT) is reserved but will not be included in this add-on: no monarchs, no events, big problem with RusiaInMongolia events (and corridor could be "blockaded" because Oirat is the west part of Mongolia).
 
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I don't know what to do with original Da Shun (U11) monarchs...
Code: 
# Da Shun
# By Sun_Zi

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 07510 }
	startdate = {
		day = 1
		month = march
		year = 1634
	}
	deathdate = {
		month = november
		year = 1670
	}
	name = "Li Zi Chang"
	DIP = 4
	MIL = 8
	ADM = 6
}

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 07511 }
	startdate = {
		month = february
		year = 1639
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 31
		month = december
		year = 1677
	}
	name = "Li Shuang Xi"
	DIP = 4
	MIL = 6
	ADM = 4
	Remark = "Li Zi Cheng's adopted son" 
}

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 07512 }
	startdate = {
		month = march
		year = 1639
	}
	deathdate = {
		month = december
		year = 1670
	}
	name = "Li Jin"
	DIP = 4
	MIL = 7
	ADM = 5
	Remark = "Li Zi Cheng's cousin" 
}

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 07513 }
	startdate = {
		year = 1645
	}
	deathdate = {
		month = december
		year = 1681
	}
	name = "Li Lai Heng"
	DIP = 5
	MIL = 6
	ADM = 4
	Remark = "Li Jin's adopted son" 
}
Overlapping monarchs... Startdate seem to be birthdate (not for 07510)
My proposal:
Code: 
# Da Shun
# By Sun_Zi

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 07510 }
	startdate = {
		day = 1
		month = march
		year = 1634
	}
	deathdate = {
		month = november
		year = 1670
	}
	name = "Li Zi Chang"
	DIP = 4
	MIL = 8
	ADM = 6
}

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 07511 }
	startdate = {
		month = november
		year = 1670
	}
	deathdate = {
		month = january
		year = 1678
	}
	name = "Li Shuang Xi"
	DIP = 4
	MIL = 6
	ADM = 4
	Remark = "born in february 1639? Li Zi Cheng's adopted son" 
}

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 07512 }
	startdate = {
		month = march
		year = 1639
	}
	deathdate = {
		month = december
		year = 1670
	}
	name = "Li Jin"
	DIP = 4
	MIL = 7
	ADM = 5
	dormant = yes
	Remark = "Li Zi Cheng's cousin" 
}

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 07513 }
	startdate = {
		month = january
		year = 1678
	}
	deathdate = {
		month = december
		year = 1681
	}
	name = "Li Lai Heng"
	DIP = 5
	MIL = 6
	ADM = 4
	Remark = "born in 1645? Li Jin's adopted son" 
}
Just a conclusion: Da Shun shouldn't be able to revolt before march 1st 1634 and not after december 1st 1681.

What to do if Da Shun exists after 1681?
I propose U11 to be inherited by China, Southern Ming or Manchus => revolt failed
But what if China, Southern Ming and Manchus don't exist...
 
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Same problem with Da Xi (U12):
Code: 
# Da Xi
# By Jinnai

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 24200 }
	startdate = {
		month = february
		year = 1633
	}
	deathdate = {
		month = december
		year = 1669
	}
	name = "Zhang Xian Zhong"
	DIP = 5
	MIL = 7
	ADM = 3
}

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 24201 }
	startdate = {
		month = february
		year = 1643
	}
	deathdate = {
		month = november
		year = 1657
	}
	name = "Zhang Ke Wang"
	DIP = 6
	MIL = 5
	ADM = 3
	Remark = "Zhang Xian Zhong's adopted son also called Sun Ke Wang. Surrendered to Qing in 1657 died the same year, granted lordship, which was inherited by son Sun Zheng Qi, then Sun Zheng Chun, then Sun Zheng Hao"
}

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 24202 }
	startdate = {
		month = november
		year = 1657
	}
	deathdate = {
		month = december
		year = 1661
	}
	name = "Zhang Zheng Qi"
	DIP = 4
	MIL = 4
	ADM = 4
	dormant = yes
	Remark = "Sun Zheng Qi may not be on Qing side and inherit Da Xi under Zhang surname" 
}

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 24203 }
	startdate = {
		month = december
		year = 1661
	}
	deathdate = {
		month = december
		year = 1678
	}
	name = "Zhang Zheng Chun"
	DIP = 4
	MIL = 4
	ADM = 4
	dormant = yes
	Remark = "Sun Zheng Chun may not be on Qing side and inherit Da Xi under Zhang surname" 
}

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 24204 }
	startdate = {
		month = december
		year = 1678
	}
	deathdate = {
		month = december
		year = 1693
	}
	name = "Zhang Zheng Hao"
	DIP = 4
	MIL = 4
	ADM = 4
	dormant = yes
	Remark = "Sun Zheng Hao may not be on Qing side and inherit Da Xi under Zhang surname" 
}

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 24205 }
	startdate = {
		month = march
		year = 1643
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 24
		month = august
		year = 1662
	}
	name = "Zhang Ding Guo"
	DIP = 4
	MIL = 7
	ADM = 4
	Remark = "Zhang Xian Zhong's adopted son also called Li Ding Guo who split from Sun Ke Wang and defeated him" 
}

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 24206 }
	startdate = {
		month = march
		year = 1658
	}
	deathdate = {
		month = december
		year = 1688
	}
	name = "Zhang Si Xing"
	DIP = 4
	MIL = 6
	ADM = 4
	Remark = "Li Ding Guo's son who continued resistance but finally surrendered to Qing on 23 July 1663" 
}

# ids free to 24207 to 24209
Another genealogical tree? I suggest to make all monarchs dormant except 24200 => Da Xi can revolt between february 1633 and december 1669. After december 1669, same as Da Shun (revolt failed). This is the better I can do with available information...
 
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Zhou (U13) monarchs are right but nobody after 31th december 1718... What to do? Inheritance by China?
Anyway, Zhou shouldn't revolt before 1673 (as stated in events) and not after 1718.
 
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I understand all revolters U11, U12 and U13 not to be "regular" revolters but only by events (independence command).
I already suppressed U14 in revolt.txt because China becomes Southern Ming in certain circumstancies but only by event (tag change).

Could someone explain what is to be changed in revolt.txt (or anywhere) for U11, U12 and U13 to be granted independence in right province but without seeing them released as vassal or revolting?

EDIT: I found the solution. "revolt = no" is sufficient in revolt.txt to avoid revolt. But I think involved country can be released as vassal anyway. Am I wrong?
 
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YodaMaster said:
I understand all revolters U11, U12 and U13 not to be "regular" revolters but only by events (independence command).
I already suppressed U14 in revolt.txt because China becomes Southern Ming in certain circumstancies but only by event (tag change).

Could someone explain what is to be changed in revolt.txt (or anywhere) for U11, U12 and U13 to be granted independence in right province but without seeing them released as vassal or revolting?

EDIT: I found the solution. "revolt = no" is sufficient in revolt.txt to avoid revolt. But I think involved country can be released as vassal anyway. Am I wrong?
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Give them breakvassal event like algier if appear.
 
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