Missing historical bloodlines

[Tarengan]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I couldn't find any answers with the searchbar.

Is there a reason why so many historical bloodlines are missing? Some, like Dyre the Stranger and Caradog, simply aren't there and others are extinct when in vanilla they still existed (Sassanid one comes to mind.

Thanks

 

[KingHaydenIII]

Can't speak for Dyre or Caradog, but pretty sure the Blood of Sasan is there.

 

[Lysistrata]

pretty sure the Blood of Sasan is there.

I think he means the fact that it's an extinct bloodline in all playable starts. I think I've talked with the team about something similar, and the reason is that basically their claimed descendants were probably making shit up.

 

[theKing1988]

Certain bloodlines have been removed, simply due to the fact that we consider them bloat. We have taken a look at bloodlines and evaluated if we thought Paradox were actually right in making them bloodlines in the first place.

Other bloodlines have then been added that we thought Paradox were wrong in not making bloodlines, like the Knytling bloodline

 

[tazzer_mazzer]

Certain bloodlines have been removed, simply due to the fact that we consider them bloat. We have taken a look at bloodlines and evaluated if we thought Paradox were actually right in making them bloodlines in the first place.

Other bloodlines have then been added that we thought Paradox were wrong in not making bloodlines, like the Knytling bloodline

Is there a list of all bloodlines in HIP somewhere, preferably ones in use? I'd be very interested in perusing it for interesting characters to play.

 

[Ese Khan]

Some, like Dyre the Stranger and Caradog, simply aren't there and others are extinct when in vanilla they still existed (Sassanid one comes to mind.

I wasn't in the discussion with regard to the Caratacus bloodline, but I can answer the remaining 2 there: compared to other semi-mythical figures like Rurik, Dyre the Stranger has no comparable historical support to warrant his own bloodline. He wasn't revered as a progenitor like Rurik was. If anything, the Dyre bloodline seems like yet another attempt by Paradox to give him staying power by giving him extra opinion boost from Slavic pagans, on top of his Genius and Grey Eminence traits.

As for the Sasanian bloodline, during the CK2 period the lineage became a staple lineage that many dynasties claiming pre-Islamic prominence added to their lineage. The Bavandids are a good example of this, whose Sasanian lineage appears in later genealogical works. I gave them their own bloodline instead, so as to note their prominence among the Daylamites.

Is there a list of all bloodlines in HIP somewhere, preferably ones in use? I'd be very interested in perusing it for interesting characters to play.

There's no list, but you can take a look at the bloodline files found in HIP folder\common\bloodlines.

 

[viola]

I noticed that Caradog's bloodline wasn't in the mod. I guess it's because he's one of the most egregious of the "exaggerated" bloodlines (somehow I doubt that the Welsh were actually descendant from a guy who fought the Romans in the first century AD).

 

[Arko]

A somehow list can be found ingame when opening the ledger.

 

[tazzer_mazzer]

A somehow list can be found ingame when opening the ledger.

Thank you.

 

[Isewein]

It would be nice to have an option in the game rules though, at least, before content is entirely disabled. :/ They may be stretching historicity, but really "clutter" of this sort doesn't really hurt the game in any way, does it?