What is better to have 20% infantry combat ability or 5% discipline. Please explain. Some numbers would be great.
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Depend when , early in the game discipline doesnt matter that much so 20% combat ability is huge (later its also a lot due more pips unit have but with higher value of military tactics discipline modifier kickcs in and gives more tho 5% is not that much but enough to give you advantage in the battle especially that you have a lot of artilery at this stage of the game +/- 1600-1650)
Sounds like you're confusing combat ability with morale.
Discipline and Combat Ability have effectively the same main effect: increase enemy casualties. The crucial differences are that discipline also increases Tactics, indirectly reducing casualties. And Combat Ability only applies to one unit type (infantry, cavalry, artillery) while discipline applies to all.
So while Discipline is a little more useful than Combat Ability point for point, I would pick 20% infantry CA over 5% discipline any day. Cavalry CA is less interesting for most nations though.
What is better to have 20% infantry combat ability or 5% discipline. Please explain. Some numbers would be great.
And Artillery CA is godly...even if no one has it Although, historically speaking, France most definitely should in the late game
No I am not confusing anything, Morale isnt even subject of this conversation and OP was talking about INFANTRY CA didnt even mention cavalry. Early in game discipline gives almost nothing unless you manage to get 10% (in example 5% out of 0.7 military tactics doesnt make any visible diffrence) when 20% infantry CA will make diffrence (swedish infarntry roll over almost anyone early in game).Sounds like you're confusing Combat Ability with Morale.
Discipline and Combat Ability have effectively the same main effect: increase enemy casualties. The two crucial differences are that discipline also increases Tactics, indirectly reducing casualties on your side. And Combat Ability only applies to one unit type (infantry, cavalry, artillery) while discipline applies to all.
So while Discipline is a little more generally useful than Combat Ability on a per-point basis, I would pick 20% infantry CA over 5% discipline any time. Cavalry CA is less interesting for most nations though.
Replacing France's tolerance idea with artillery CA and nerfing Elan! would make so much sense...And Artillery CA is godly...even if no one has it Although, historically speaking, France most definitely should in the late game
Roughly speaking, 5% discipline is as good as 10% combat ability across the board. How much of your army's damage is done by infantry? Unless you are fielding very cavalry-heavy armies, I would guess it is more than half for a large part of the game, up to and including tech 21, so for all those tech levels, 20% infantry CA beats 5% discipline. From tech 22 onwards (standard year: 1687), artillery starts getting huge fire modifiers and can potentially deal more damage than infantry (although the infantry continue to contribute a lot of damage - it's a mistake to imagine late-game infantry as pure cannon fodder). So 20% infantry CA is better than 5% disc before tech 22, maybe slightly worse afterwards, but it's still a very good bonus to have even right at the end of the game.
A thing I noted about discipline vs CA is that Rebels of your country is affected by what morale and discipline bonuses your troops most of the time while they never get any CA bonuses at all.
That doesn't really make any sense. 5% is 5%, regardless of whether the actual number is small or not. If discipline is useless, then casualties have to be useless, so CA is also useless. That can sometimes be the case if morale is the overwhelmingly decisive factor. However, it is not an advantage CA has over discipline.Early in game discipline gives almost nothing unless you manage to get 10% (in example 5% out of 0.7 military tactics doesnt make any visible diffrence) when 20% infantry CA will make diffrence (swedish infarntry roll over almost anyone early in game).
That doesn't really make any sense. 5% is 5%, regardless of whether the actual number is small or not. If discipline is useless, then casualties have to be useless, so CA is also useless. That can sometimes be the case if morale is the overwhelmingly decisive factor. However, it is not an advantage CA has over discipline.
5% discipline does have much less effect than 20% infantry CA early game, but that's because the latter is a much larger modifier.
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