AGCEEP Africa

Garbon · Nov 18, 2009

As it states, this thread is to discuss items that relate to this continent.

Samorim · Apr 26, 2011

Added a sequence of ahistorical events to Portugal and Morocco in order to change the culture of Tangiers to portuguese after some years.

Changes in Portugal event file:

Code:

#(1437) Expedition to Tangiers
#Idea: Baston - Scripting by Annibale
event = {
	id = 18005
	trigger = {
		exists = MOR
		NOT = { owned = { province = 732 data = -1 } } #Tangiers
	}
	random = no
	country = POR
	name = "EVENTNAME18005" #Expedition to Tangiers
	desc = "EVENTHIST18005"
	#-#King Duarte, João's successor and Henry's older brother, had petitioned Rome to have their youngest brother, Fernão, named master of Avis, which was granted by Pope Eugenius IV, by the bull 'Sincere devotionis' dated 9 September 1434. In 1437 Portugal sent an expedition against Tangier, led by Henry. The expedition failed, due largely to mistakes by Henry, and his youngest brother Fernão, the master of Avis, was captured. He was imprisoned in bad conditions, held hostage for the return of Ceuta to the Muslims. For eleven years the Portuguese debated whether or not to give up Ceuta, until in 1448 Dom Fernão died in captivity. Henry's brother Duarte died shortly after the Tangier expedition, leaving his six year old son Afonso as the King. There was a fight over the regency between Duarte's widow and Henry's brother D. Pedro which Pedro eventually won.

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1437 }
	offset = 360
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1438 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME18005A" #Send Expedition
		command = { type = casusbelli which = MOR value = 60 }
		[COLOR="Yellow"]command = { type = addcore_claim which = 732 } #Tangiers[/COLOR]
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = trade value = -250 }
		command = { type = naval value = -250 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME18005B" #No, Save Our Money
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = trade value = 250 }
		command = { type = naval value = 250 }
		command = { type = relation which = MOR value = 35 }
	}
}
#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#Ahistorical occupation of Tangiers

#(1439-1459) Portuguese occupation of Ceuta and Tangiers
event = {
	id = 260151
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 732 data = -1 } #Tangiers
	}
	random = no
	country = POR
	name = "EVENTNAME260151"
	desc = "EVENTHIST260151"
	#-#With Ceuta and Tangiers under our control, we have a choice of continuing the Reconquista and send colonists to our new cities in North Africa and expand the Catholic faith to the muslim heatens.

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1439 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1459 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME260151A" #Yes, let's populate them with our people
		command = { type = cash value = -20 }		
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 732 value = 2 } 
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = 20 } 
		command = { type = relation which = MOR value = -100 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 260158 }
		command = { type = missionaries value = 1 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME260151B" #It's a waste of effort
	}
}

#(1439-1459) Sending of colonists to Ceuta and Tangiers
event = {
	id = 260158
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 732 data = -1 } #Tangiers
	}
	random = no
	country = POR
	name = "EVENTNAME260158"
	desc = "EVENTHIST260158"
	#-#Our effort of populating Ceuta and Tangiers with compatriots has started.

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1459 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1480 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME260158A" #Send them
		command = { type = relation which = MOR value = -20 }
		command = { type = population which = 434 value = -1000 }
		command = { type = population which = 441 value = -2000 }
		command = { type = population which = 442 value = -1000 }
		command = { type = population which = 732 value = 4000 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 260160 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 260159 }
	}
}

#(1439-1459) The muslim population is fleeing
event = {
	id = 260160
	random = no
	country = POR
	name = "EVENTNAME260160"
	desc = "EVENTHIST260160"
	#-#After the arrival of our people, the muslim population has started to flee to nearby cities still in the hands of the moroccans.

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME260160A" #Oh well...
		command = { type = population which = 732 value = -4000 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 232043 }
	}
}

#(1459-1559) The muslims are no more, Ceuta and Tangiers are Portuguese
event = {
	id = 260159
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 732 data = -1 } #Tangiers
		provincereligion = { province = 732 data = catholic }
	}
	random = no
	country = POR
	name = "EVENTNAME260159"
	desc = "EVENTHIST260159"
	#-#Our efforts of populating Ceuta and Tangiers with fellow-countrymen were a success. The muslim population that is left is either on the run or starting to adopt our ways. They are nothing more than a minority. The cities are firmly under our control.

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1480 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1559 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME260159A" #Success!
		command = { type = provinceculture which = 732 value = mississippian }
		command = { type = addcore which = 732 } #Tangiers
		command = { type = cityname which = 732 value = "Ceuta" }		
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 732 value = -2 } 
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = 50 } 
		command = { type = vp value = 25 }
	}
}

#End of Ahistorical occupation of Tangiers
#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

#(1455-1475) Afonso V's Expeditions to North Africa
#by sturmvogel
event = {
	id = 260041
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 441 data = -1 } #Tago
		control = { province = 441 data = -1 } #Tago
		OR = {
			exists = MOR
			exists = FEZ
			exists = ALD
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = POR
	name = "EVENTNAME260041" #Afonso V's Expeditions to North Africa
	desc = "EVENTHIST260041"
	#-#Afonso V was nicknamed ''o Africano'' (the African) from his successful campaigns in Morocco that captured Tangiers and Arzila.

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1455 }
	offset = 900
	deathdate = { day = 0 month = january year = 1475 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3272A" #A Crusade against the heretics in Africa
		command = { type = casusbelli which = MOR value = 240 }
		command = { type = casusbelli which = FEZ value = 240 }
		command = { type = casusbelli which = ALD value = 240 }
		command = { type = transports which = 441 value = 5 } #Tago
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		[COLOR="Yellow"]command = { type = addcore_claim which = 732 } #Tangiers[/COLOR]
		#command = { type = addcore which = 806 } #Toubkal
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME260041B" #We have enough on our plate right now
		command = { type = trade value = 400 }
		command = { type = naval value = 400 }
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
	}
}

Changes in Morocco event file:

Code:

#(1439-1480) Refugees from Tangiers
event = {
	id = 232043
	country = MOR
	random = no
	name = "EVENTNAME232043" #Refugees from Tangiers
	desc = "EVENTHIST232043"
	#-#The Portuguese have started to expel our citizens from our city. We must welcome them in our cities.
	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME232043A" #Damn the Portuguese!
		command = { type = population which = 733 value = 4000 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 6 } 
	}
}

Event descriptions:

Code:

EVENTNAME260151;Portuguese occupation of Ceuta and Tangiers;x
EVENTHIST260151;With Ceuta and Tangiers under our control, we have a choice of continuing the Reconquista and send colonists to our new cities in North Africa and expand the Catholic faith to the muslim heatens.;x
ACTIONNAME260151A;Yes, let's populate them with our people;x
ACTIONNAME260151B;It's a waste of effort;x
#;x
EVENTNAME260158;Sending of colonists to Ceuta and Tangiers;x
EVENTHIST260158;Our effort of populating Ceuta and Tangiers with compatriots has started.;x
ACTIONNAME260158A;Send them;x
#;x
EVENTNAME260159;The muslims are no more, Ceuta and Tangiers are Portuguese;x
EVENTHIST260159;Our efforts of populating Ceuta and Tangiers with fellow-countrymen were a success. The muslim population that is left is either on the run or starting to adopt our ways. They are nothing more than a minority. The cities are firmly under our control.;x
ACTIONNAME260159A;Success!;x
#;x
EVENTNAME260160;The muslim population is fleeing;x
EVENTHIST260160;After the arrival of our people, the muslim population has started to flee to nearby cities still in the hands of the moroccans.;x
ACTIONNAME260160A;Oh well...;x
#;x
EVENTNAME232043;Refugees from Tangiers;x
EVENTHIST232043;The Portuguese have started to expel our citizens from our city. We must welcome them in our cities.;x
ACTIONNAME232043A;Damn the Portuguese!;x
#;x

The-Doc · Apr 26, 2011

Nice, but the IDs 260158,260160 and 260159 are already used.

Samorim · Apr 26, 2011

Are you sure? I tried them and it's ok. Maybe I don't have the most recent version of AGCEEP, which I find strange.

The-Doc · Apr 26, 2011

Samorim said:
Are you sure? I tried them and it's ok. Maybe I don't have the most recent version of AGCEEP, which I find strange.

Maybe, I am using the new Beta so that might be it. Events worked fine, and I think they make a good addition but I did have to change a few IDs.

Samorim · Apr 28, 2011

I downloaded 1.58 and it's confirmed. I was using the older version of AGCEEP. I have to change the id's when I have the oportunity and correct them.

ConjurerDragon · Jul 10, 2011

Samorim said:

Added a sequence of ahistorical events to Portugal and Morocco in order to change the culture of Tangiers to portuguese after some years.

Changes in Portugal event file:

Code:

#(1437) Expedition to Tangiers
#Idea: Baston - Scripting by Annibale
event = {
    id = 18005
    trigger = {
        exists = MOR
        NOT = { owned = { province = 732 data = -1 } } #Tangiers
    }
    random = no
    country = POR
    name = "EVENTNAME18005" #Expedition to Tangiers
    desc = "EVENTHIST18005"
    #-#King Duarte, João's successor and Henry's older brother, had petitioned Rome to have their youngest brother, Fernão, named master of Avis, which was granted by Pope Eugenius IV, by the bull 'Sincere devotionis' dated 9 September 1434. In 1437 Portugal sent an expedition against Tangier, led by Henry. The expedition failed, due largely to mistakes by Henry, and his youngest brother Fernão, the master of Avis, was captured. He was imprisoned in bad conditions, held hostage for the return of Ceuta to the Muslims. For eleven years the Portuguese debated whether or not to give up Ceuta, until in 1448 Dom Fernão died in captivity. Henry's brother Duarte died shortly after the Tangier expedition, leaving his six year old son Afonso as the King. There was a fight over the regency between Duarte's widow and Henry's brother D. Pedro which Pedro eventually won.

    date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1437 }
    offset = 360
    deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1438 }

    action_a = {
        name = "ACTIONNAME18005A" #Send Expedition
        command = { type = casusbelli which = MOR value = 60 }
        [COLOR="Yellow"]command = { type = addcore_claim which = 732 } #Tangiers[/COLOR]
        command = { type = stability value = -1 }
        command = { type = trade value = -250 }
        command = { type = naval value = -250 }
    }
    action_b = {
        name = "ACTIONNAME18005B" #No, Save Our Money
        command = { type = stability value = 1 }
        command = { type = trade value = 250 }
        command = { type = naval value = 250 }
        command = { type = relation which = MOR value = 35 }
    }
}
[/quote]
[/QUOTE]

As the portuguese never ruled over the entire area of the province I support the change from a national core to a claimcore on Tangier in event 18005

You should submit that change in the submissions thread.

The other events however need more tuning in my opinion.

First Portugal should not only own but also CONTROL Tangiers province - else the event could fire if an enemy in a war or rebels control and POR owns the provinces.
Even better would be to check that POR controls the province AND the CONTROLCHANGE (new FtG trigger) was say 30  years - meaning the nationalism would have ceased. A faster event would IMO be unreasonable for the change of culture.

Second as historically Portugal never controlled the whole area and never was able to have a majority of portuguese population there the more likely a choice should be to leave it be and only the ahistorical b choice shold be to actually do it. So that the historical way of events is ensured in most games.

Third as POR ruled only Ceuta/Tangier and some minor areas and Spain was interested in that area too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza_de_soberan%C3%ADa
not only relations to Morocco should drop but relations to Spain and the other maghrebi states as well (e.g. Granada if it still exists, Algier, Tunis, Tlemcen).

Fourth I would not ADD misisionaries. After all you/POR should have enough missionaries in the early game and why should you have more missionaries available if you send them away to Tangiers? Let the player manually send a missionary ingame to Tangier if he owns it to convert the province.

You are sending people from some provinces to Tangiers - so we should check that POR actually owns those provinces where the people come from.

When the people arrive I would expect Tangier to immediately have a revolt - not just raised revoltrisk.

And we either need another event making the population maghrebi again or we have problems when Morocco re-conquers the province and has to rule portuguese people for the rest of the game.

The addcore command in your event 260159 is not needed. If POR has a claim_core and controls the province for a set number of years, 50 I think, then the claim_core will automatically change to a national/full core.

And last - when Tangier would really change to portugues would then POR really cede the province like Bombay to England in the later events about the dowry?

Toio · Jul 13, 2011

ConjurerDragon said:
As the portuguese never ruled over the entire area of the province I support the change from a national core to a claimcore on Tangier in event 18005

You should submit that change in the submissions thread.

The other events however need more tuning in my opinion.

First Portugal should not only own but also CONTROL Tangiers province - else the event could fire if an enemy in a war or rebels control and POR owns the provinces.
Even better would be to check that POR controls the province AND the CONTROLCHANGE (new FtG trigger) was say 30 years - meaning the nationalism would have ceased. A faster event would IMO be unreasonable for the change of culture.

Second as historically Portugal never controlled the whole area and never was able to have a majority of portuguese population there the more likely a choice should be to leave it be and only the ahistorical b choice shold be to actually do it. So that the historical way of events is ensured in most games.

Third as POR ruled only Ceuta/Tangier and some minor areas and Spain was interested in that area too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza_de_soberanía
not only relations to Morocco should drop but relations to Spain and the other maghrebi states as well (e.g. Granada if it still exists, Algier, Tunis, Tlemcen).

Fourth I would not ADD misisionaries. After all you/POR should have enough missionaries in the early game and why should you have more missionaries available if you send them away to Tangiers? Let the player manually send a missionary ingame to Tangier if he owns it to convert the province.

You are sending people from some provinces to Tangiers - so we should check that POR actually owns those provinces where the people come from.

When the people arrive I would expect Tangier to immediately have a revolt - not just raised revoltrisk.

And we either need another event making the population maghrebi again or we have problems when Morocco re-conquers the province and has to rule portuguese people for the rest of the game.

The addcore command in your event 260159 is not needed. If POR has a claim_core and controls the province for a set number of years, 50 I think, then the claim_core will automatically change to a national/full core.

And last - when Tangier would really change to portugues would then POR really cede the province like Bombay to England in the later events about the dowry?

this core was originally in the events but was removed after long discussion ( prior FTG ) due to the fact it was detrimental for portuguese colonization and also emptying the POR coffers, IIRC even the free troops was removed as this also was costling monies.
Ceuta was a pimple in the area in question and I do not think POR needs any core.

ConjurerDragon · Jul 13, 2011

Toio said:
this core was originally in the events but was removed after long discussion ( prior FTG ) due to the fact it was detrimental for portuguese colonization and also emptying the POR coffers, IIRC even the free troops was removed as this also was costling monies.
Ceuta was a pimple in the area in question and I do not think POR needs any core.

To what core do you refer here?
The addcore command in event 18005? I have that in my POR file with AGCEEP 1.59 beta 1. Or the other addcore command in the later event that I questioned as unnecessary?

ConjurerDragon · Oct 30, 2011

Khartoum?

The Sudan province of Sudan has "Khartoum" as cityname.

Khartoum however is an anachronism as it was founded only after the turko-egyptian conquest of Sudan at the very end of FtG´s timeframe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khartoum

As Sannar is the cityname just south to it, perhaps change Khartoum to Dongola and find something else for the province north of it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dongola

Or Kassala?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Egypt_under_Muhammad_Ali_Dynasty_map_de.png

Or Wadi Halfa?

ConjurerDragon · Oct 30, 2011

In the current version of AGCEEP Portugal still gains a national core on Tangiers in event 18005.

As Samorim suggested in post 2 of this thread I too think that it should be reduced to a claimcore as Portugal did not rule the entire province.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco-Portugal_relations#Portuguese_expansion_.281415-1769.29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mapa_del_sur_de_España_neutral.png

Code:

#(1437) Expedition to Tangiers
#Idea: Baston - Scripting by Annibale
event = {
	id = 18005
	trigger = {
		exists = MOR
		NOT = { owned = { province = 732 data = -1 } } #Tangiers
	}
	random = no
	country = POR
	name = "EVENTNAME18005" #Expedition to Tangiers
	desc = "EVENTHIST18005"
	#-#King Duarte, João's successor and Henry's older brother, had petitioned Rome to have their youngest brother, Fernão, named master of Avis, which was granted by Pope Eugenius IV, by the bull 'Sincere devotionis' dated 9 September 1434. In 1437 Portugal sent an expedition against Tangier, led by Henry. The expedition failed, due largely to mistakes by Henry, and his youngest brother Fernão, the master of Avis, was captured. He was imprisoned in bad conditions, held hostage for the return of Ceuta to the Muslims. For eleven years the Portuguese debated whether or not to give up Ceuta, until in 1448 Dom Fernão died in captivity. Henry's brother Duarte died shortly after the Tangier expedition, leaving his six year old son Afonso as the King. There was a fight over the regency between Duarte's widow and Henry's brother D. Pedro which Pedro eventually won.

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1437 }
	offset = 360
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1438 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME18005A" #Send Expedition
		command = { type = casusbelli which = MOR value = 60 }
		command = { type = addcore[color=yellow]_claim[/color] which = 732 } #Tangiers
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = trade value = -250 }
		command = { type = naval value = -250 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME18005B" #No, Save Our Money
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = trade value = 250 }
		command = { type = naval value = 250 }
		command = { type = relation which = MOR value = 35 }
	}
}

The same is true for that event:

Code:

#(1455-1475) Afonso V's Expeditions to North Africa
#by sturmvogel
event = {
	id = 260041
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 441 data = -1 } #Tago
		control = { province = 441 data = -1 } #Tago
		OR = {
			exists = MOR
			exists = FEZ
			exists = ALD
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = POR
	name = "EVENTNAME260041" #Afonso V's Expeditions to North Africa
	desc = "EVENTHIST260041"
	#-#Afonso V was nicknamed ''o Africano'' (the African) from his successful campaigns in Morocco that captured Tangiers and Arzila.

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1455 }
	offset = 900
	deathdate = { day = 0 month = january year = 1475 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3272A" #A Crusade against the heretics in Africa
		command = { type = casusbelli which = MOR value = 240 }
		command = { type = casusbelli which = FEZ value = 240 }
		command = { type = casusbelli which = ALD value = 240 }
		command = { type = transports which = 441 value = 5 } #Tago
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = addcore[color=yellow]_claim[/color] which = 732 } #Tangiers
		#command = { type = addcore which = 806 } #Toubkal
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME260041B" #We have enough on our plate right now
		command = { type = trade value = 400 }
		command = { type = naval value = 400 }
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
	}
}

]

The command to add a core on Toubkal should either be removed entirely when we agree that the portuguese possessions there do not represent control of the entire province - or activated again and reduced to a lesser core.

Likewise event 260042 that currently is deactivated should either be removed (when there is a general concensus that POR does not deserve any core on Toubkal) or reactivated if POR is given a lesser core to remove that.

ConjurerDragon · Nov 4, 2011

Ethiopian/Abessinian event

In my current game as the Ottoman Empire I captured Massawa (the port province at the red sea) and a few years later Ethiopia had this event:

Code:

#(1557) The loss of Massawa
#by Fodoron
event = {
	id = 165018
	trigger = {
		[color=yellow]OR = {[/color]
                      [color=red]exists[/color][color=yellow]neighbour[/color] = CYR [color=yellow]# Adal
                      provincereligion = { province = 752 data = sunni }
                                   } [/color]
                event = 165016 #ETH: War of extermination
		NOT = {
			owned = { province = 752 data = -1 } #Massawa
                        [color=yellow] control  = { province = 752 data = -1 } [/color]
			owned = { province = 754 data = -1 } #Issas
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = ETH
	name = "EVENTNAME165018" #The loss of Massawa
	desc = "EVENTHIST165018"
	#-#Despite their severe defeat, and the sacking of Harar in 1550, Adal regrouped under the leadership of Ahmad's nephew, Nur ibn Mujtahid. In 1556 he launched a two front coordinated attack with Ottoman help. The Ottomans, lead[color=red]ed[/color] by Ozdemur Pasha, conquered Massawa, the best port of the Red Sea, and the only one the Ethiopians had, but their attempt to reach the highlands failed against the determined resistance of Gelawdewos. The attack by Nur was an even worse failure, taking the life of the last of the Walashma sultans of Adal, Barakat. However Emperor Gelawdewos lost his life in battle and his head was taken to Harar. The loss of the port of Massawa to the Ottomans was a worse catastrophe for Ethiopia. They lost control of their trade, they could no longer buy firearms, and anybody traveling from the outside to Ethiopia had to do so in disguise. Never had been Ethiopia so isolated from the outside world.

	date = { day = 0 month = january year = 1557 }
	offset = 150
	deathdate = { [color=red]day = 0 month = january[/color] year = [color=red]1558[/color][color=yellow]1820[/color] }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME165018A" #Isolated from all
		command = { type = domestic which = INNOVATIVE value = -1 }
		command = { type = land value = -10000 }
		command = { type = trade value = -20000 }
		command = { type = merchants value = -6 }
		command = { type = diplomats value = -6 }
                [color=yellow]command = { type = removecore_national which = 752 } #Massawa
                command = { type = addcore_claim which = 752 }[/color]
	        }
    }

As Massawa historically stayed in ottoman hands until they ceded it to Egypt after 1820 Ethiopia should lose it´s national core with this event.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massawa#Ottoman_rule

I suggest to reduce it to a claimcore. Then Ethiopia still has a claim on the province but the AI will value it lower than the national core provinces and it will be harder for ETH to keep it if they should reconquer it.

Garbon · Nov 6, 2011

I'm not sure how I feel about that. I mean, yes, Ethiopia should not have the province after it gets lost to the Ottomans...however they did actually own other bits of that province outside of that key city and I don't really think that they should/would have suffered major difficulties had they reconquered it.

ConjurerDragon · Nov 6, 2011

Garbon said:
I'm not sure how I feel about that. I mean, yes, Ethiopia should not have the province after it gets lost to the Ottomans...however they did actually own other bits of that province outside of that key city and I don't really think that they should/would have suffered major difficulties had they reconquered it.

Well we do have a lot of events that remove cores of states that lose provinces for the rest of the games timeframe because they are not supposed to gain them back in the games timeframe (e.g. treaty of Karlowitz or the safavid and ottoman events removing cores on their border provinces).

So if Ethiopia historically lost Massawa and never completely recovered it IMO it should lose the national core.

But as they were able to at least control the hinterland of Massawa IMO they should not lose the core completely - that´s the reason I suggested a claimcore. They still have a core and therefore a CB so that they can declare war without stability hit, but the AI should value the claimcore less than the other national cores so that AI Ethiopia should concentrate first on the other parts of the realm. And the lesser manpower and "nationalism" would represent the local resistance of the ottomans in Massawa or the other ports on the red sea that ETH was never able to capture again in the games timeframe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habesh
For an estimation how the map could look at the very end of our games timeframe and how Ethiopia lost all access to the sea:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Egypt_and_neighbors_1880_map_de.png

Edit: For a human ETH player the event can easily be avoided in several ways
1) Don´t lose control of the province.
2) If you lose control don´t lose ownership in the war.
3) If you really completely lose the province destroy Adal as your traditional enemy and hope that the owner of the province does not convert the province until you are able to re-conquer it.

Samorim · Nov 30, 2011

Missed your post ConjurerDragon. Before I answer let me just say that I'm not very familiar with modding. My knowledge on it is basic.

ConjurerDragon said:
First Portugal should not only own but also CONTROL Tangiers province - else the event could fire if an enemy in a war or rebels control and POR owns the provinces.
Even better would be to check that POR controls the province AND the CONTROLCHANGE (new FtG trigger) was say 30 years - meaning the nationalism would have ceased. A faster event would IMO be unreasonable for the change of culture.

Agreed.

Second as historically Portugal never controlled the whole area and never was able to have a majority of portuguese population there the more likely a choice should be to leave it be and only the ahistorical b choice shold be to actually do it. So that the historical way of events is ensured in most games.

Makes perfect sense.

Third as POR ruled only Ceuta/Tangier and some minor areas and Spain was interested in that area too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza_de_soberanía
not only relations to Morocco should drop but relations to Spain and the other maghrebi states as well (e.g. Granada if it still exists, Algier, Tunis, Tlemcen).

I disagree on this one. Let me express by points so it is clearer.

1. According to an agreement between Castille and Aragon, the Soria agreement of 1291, in which the two crowns divided north Africa in two areas of conquest rights, established the area east of the river Moulouya to Aragon, whereas west from it to Ceuta was assigned to the castillians. Sorry I don't provide any references on this, but I only have them in Portuguese.

Now, if you see here, Tangier is west of Ceuta, so out of the area of influence of Castille.

2. When the Portuguese conquered Ceuta in 1415, Castille didn't demand any rights on the town based on this treaty, so it is assumed they didn't had interest in it.

3. Ceuta changed hands after the restoration of independence of Portugal in 1640 (we'll celebrate the 371th anniversary of it tomorrow

), as they decided to remain part of Spain, the only Portuguese territory to do so. Not because Spain took it from Portugal by force.

Fourth I would not ADD misisionaries. After all you/POR should have enough missionaries in the early game and why should you have more missionaries available if you send them away to Tangiers? Let the player manually send a missionary ingame to Tangier if he owns it to convert the province.

Agreed.

You are sending people from some provinces to Tangiers - so we should check that POR actually owns those provinces where the people come from.

Agreed.

When the people arrive I would expect Tangier to immediately have a revolt - not just raised revoltrisk.

I thought of this as well, but didn't include it. Agreed.

And we either need another event making the population maghrebi again or we have problems when Morocco re-conquers the province and has to rule portuguese people for the rest of the game.

An event sequence of similar structure of this one?

The addcore command in your event 260159 is not needed. If POR has a claim_core and controls the province for a set number of years, 50 I think, then the claim_core will automatically change to a national/full core.

Ok, didn't know this. Agreed.

And last - when Tangier would really change to portugues would then POR really cede the province like Bombay to England in the later events about the dowry?

I don't see why, because the point of this event is to turn Tangiers and Ceuta and integral part of Portugal or the "Algarves".

I'll wait for any reactions before changing the events.

ConjurerDragon · Nov 30, 2011

Samorim said:
...
I disagree on this one. Let me express by points so it is clearer.

1. According to an agreement between Castille and Aragon, the Soria agreement of 1291, in which the two crowns divided north Africa in two areas of conquest rights, established the area east of the river Moulouya to Aragon, whereas west from it to Ceuta was assigned to the castillians. Sorry I don't provide any references on this, but I only have them in Portuguese.

Now, if you see here, Tangier is west of Ceuta, so out of the area of influence of Castille.

Sure. If POR would only rule Tangiers and everything west of that river (or west of that presidio:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peñón_de_Vélez_de_la_Gomera
for another agreement about spheres of influence between SPA and POR
) then it would not lower relations with SPA . But in the events here POR rules and claims the ENTIRE province and not just Tangier+Ceuta.

Overlapping claims in that area did not begin 1640 but before that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larache

Samorim · Nov 30, 2011

ConjurerDragon said:
But in the events here POR rules and claims the ENTIRE province and not just Tangier+Ceuta.

Considering this I agree with you. If we consider the entire province to be populated there should be a decrease in relations, but that increases the "ahistoricity" of the event. I'm not sure what's the policy of AGCEEP in regards to this, especially after reading a discussion about how Silesia should be or not part of Bohemia (a rather minor question but valid nonetheless.). If it's ok to assume Portuguese control of the entire region, then I'd go with all of your suggestions.

unmerged(449695) · May 18, 2013

New country (Why it isnt in AGCEEP?) : Jolof empire
db /coutries
JOL = { #Jolof
picture = "gfx\scenarios\picture_SON.bmp"
color = White
techgroup = african
leader_language = MAL
new_colony = MUS
gfx = {
army = SON
navy = MUS
}
policy = {
aristocracy = 3
centralization = 2
innovative = 3
mercantilism = 0
offensive = 3
land = 7
quality = 3
serfdom = 5
}
elector = 0
history = { }
}
It must be in the provinces 800 and perhaps 799 (both had to become animist , the wolof become muslim in the XIX century)

country = {
tag = JOL
ai = "SmallTrade1.ai"
colonialattempts = 0
colonialnation = no
major = no
colonists = 0
cancelledloans = 0
extendedloans = 0
treasury = 75
inflation = 0
merchants = 0
religion = { type = pagan }
culture = { type = senegambian}
diplomacy = {
relation = { tag = MAL value = -25 }

}
knownprovinces = {
791 792 793 794 1487 1488 1489 1490 1491 1492 1493 1494 1495 1496 1497 1498 1499 1500 1501 1502
}
ownedprovinces = {
800 799
}
controlledprovinces = {
800 799
}
nationalprovinces = {
800 799
}
city = {
fortress = { level = 1 }
population = 6000
location = 800
capital = yes
}city = {
fortress = { level = 1 }
population = 5000
location = 799

}

technology = {
stability = { level = 2 value = 42 }
infra = { level = 0 value = 10 }
trade = { level = 0 value = 70 }
land = { level = 0 value = 50 }
naval = { level = 0 value = 0 }
}
}
Monarchs :

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61161 }
startdate = {
year = 1390
}
enddate = {
year = 1420
}
name = "N'Diklam"
DIP = 4
ADM = 5
MIL = 4
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61162 }
startdate = {
year = 1420
}
enddate = {
year = 1440
}
name = "Tyukuli"
DIP = 3
ADM = 4
MIL = 4
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61163 }
startdate = {
year = 1440
}
enddate = {
year = 1450
}
name = "Leeyti"
DIP = 3
ADM = 3
MIL = 3
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61164 }
startdate = {
year = 1450
}
enddate = {
year = 1465
}
name = "N'Dyelen Mbei"
DIP = 4
ADM = 4
MIL = 4
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61165 }
startdate = {
year = 1465
}
enddate = {
year = 1481
}
name = "Birayma N'Dyeme Eter"
DIP = 5
ADM = 5
MIL = 3
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61166 }
startdate = {
year = 1481
}
enddate = {
year = 1488
}
name = "Tase Daagylen"
DIP = 3
ADM = 3
MIL = 3
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61167 }
startdate = {
year = 1488
}
enddate = {
year = 1492
}
name = "Birayma Kuran Kan"
DIP = 3
ADM = 3
MIL = 2
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61168 }
startdate = {
year = 1492
}
enddate = {
year = 1527
}
name = "Bukaar Biye-Sungule"
DIP = 4
ADM = 5
MIL = 4
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61169 }
startdate = {
year = 1527
}
enddate = {
year = 1543
}
name = "Birayma Dyeme-Kumba"
DIP = 4
ADM = 4
MIL = 4
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61170 }
startdate = {
year = 1543
}
enddate = {
year = 1549
}
name = "Leele Fuli Fak"
DIP = 3
ADM = 3
MIL = 3
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61171 }
startdate = {
year = 1549
}
enddate = {
year = 1566
}
name = "al-Buri Penda"
DIP = 6
ADM = 6
MIL = 4
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61172 }
startdate = {
year = 1566
}
enddate = {
year = 1597
}
name = "Lat-Samba"
DIP = 4
ADM = 5
MIL = 4
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61173 }
startdate = {
year = 1597
}
enddate = {
year = 1605
}
name = "Gireun Buri Dyelen"
DIP = 3
ADM = 4
MIL = 4
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61174 }
startdate = {
year = 1605
}
enddate = {
year = 1649
}
name = "Birayma Penda"
DIP = 5
ADM = 6
MIL = 5
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61175 }
startdate = {
year = 1649
}
enddate = {
year = 1670
}
name = "Birayma Mba"
DIP = 5
ADM = 6
MIL = 4
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61176 }
startdate = {
year = 1670
}
enddate = {
year = 1711
}
name = "Bakar Penda"
DIP = 5
ADM = 5
MIL = 5
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61177 }
startdate = {
year = 1711
}
enddate = {
year = 1721
}
name = "Bakam-Tam Gan"
DIP = 3
ADM = 2
MIL = 3
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61178 }
startdate = {
year = 1721
}
enddate = {
year = 1740
}
name = "al-Buri Dyakher"
DIP = 2
ADM = 3
MIL = 2
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61179 }
startdate = {
year = 1740
}
enddate = {
year = 1748
}
name = "Birayamb"
DIP = 6
ADM = 6
MIL = 4
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61180 }
startdate = {
year = 1748
}
enddate = {
year = 1750
}
name = "Birawa Keme"
DIP = 2
ADM = 2
MIL = 3
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61181 }
startdate = {
year = 1750
}
enddate = {
year = 1755
}
name = "Lat-Kodu"
DIP = 6
ADM = 6
MIL = 4
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61182 }
startdate = {
year = 1755
}
enddate = {
year = 1763
}
name = "Bakaa-Tam Buri-Nyabu"
DIP = 3
ADM = 3
MIL = 4
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61183 }
startdate = {
year = 1763
}
enddate = {
year = 1800
}
name = "Mba Kompaas"
DIP = 2
ADM = 5
MIL = 3
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61184 }
startdate = {
year = 1800
}
enddate = {
year = 1818
}
name = "Mba Buri-Nyabu"
DIP = 4
ADM = 4
MIL = 3
dormant = no
}

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 61185 }
startdate = {
year = 1818
}
enddate = {
year = 1838
}
name = "Birayamb Kumba-Gey"
DIP = 3
ADM = 4
MIL = 3
dormant = no
}
In the 1550s must be a event to disintegrate the jolof empire , (revolts and descentralization) , and perhaps and event for a jihad in the 1650s....

ConjurerDragon · May 27, 2013

77777 said:
New country (Why it isnt in AGCEEP?) : Jolof empire
....

That has several reasons.
Because AGCEEP comes from EU2 where tags were limited only the most important nations that actually had some influence on the world were added. So Mali or Songhai were in but not smaller nations.
For gameplay reasons Portugal needs coastal provinces to create it´s tradingpost empire around the african coast and for that it needs empty coastal provinces where POR had trading posts.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Portugal_empire_map(2).PNG

unmerged(449695) · May 28, 2013

ConjurerDragon said:
That has several reasons.
Because AGCEEP comes from EU2 where tags were limited only the most important nations that actually had some influence on the world were added. So Mali or Songhai were in but not smaller nations.
For gameplay reasons Portugal needs coastal provinces to create it´s tradingpost empire around the african coast and for that it needs empty coastal provinces where POR had trading posts.

Portugal only needs Leone (795) and Arguin(802) + the islands to becom powerful , the provinces 801 and 802 were controlled by the Jolof (the portuguese tried to cristianize Jolof helping a rebellious prince, perhaps i would do and event for it) ..
The europeans shouldnt have colonies in West Africa until the XVIII century ( Seneagal ,Sierra Leone) and Jolof is the only coastal power in the region....

AGCEEP Africa

Sultan d'Afrique

Major

Lt. General

Major

Lt. General

Major

Generalissimus

Field Marshal

Generalissimus

Generalissimus

Generalissimus

Generalissimus

Sultan d'Afrique

Generalissimus

Major

Generalissimus

Major

Sergeant

Generalissimus

Sergeant