CK2: Dev Diary #117 - Historical Wonders

[Patriarch of Bub]

Not so much salt as utter confusion on how a company can go from the level of historical detail as to research and put in Tocharian to saying something as inaccurate as the Pharos being the tallest building or the Hagia Sophia not being famous despite being the biggest church for its entire existence as a church.

I get it, i was just trying to make you smile

 

[Sarog]

Not so much salt as utter confusion on how a company can go from the level of historical detail as to research and put in Tocharian to saying something as inaccurate as the Pharos being the tallest building or the Hagia Sophia not being famous despite being the biggest church for its entire existence as a church.

Has there been a dev rotation? Are the historically-minded perhaps all working on Imperator? It is a tricky thing to reconcile.

 

[treb]

I get it, i was just trying to make you smile

At the end of the day, its not that big a deal, I can always just build a(more) wall(S) and make the Latins pay for it.

 

[Patriarch of Bub]

At the end of the day, its not that big a deal, I can always just build a(more) wall(S) and make the Latins pay for it.

That's the spirit

 

[killerbee256]

"Pyramids of Khufu"

*angry Kemetic noise*

There's only ONE pyramid of Khufu.
It's either Pyramids of Giza, the Great Pyramid or THE Pyramid of Khufu not "Pyramids of Khufu".

Also, the Pyramids were no longer covered in white limestone by the start of the game, it would have long been gone due to theft, use for other construction projects or decay.

The covering should still be intact in 769, most of the looting happened when Cairo was being built later in the middle ages.

 

[Karlingid]

The covering should still be intact in 769, most of the looting happened when Cairo was being built later in the middle ages.

And again, the Mausoleum of Halicarnassus was still intact in the High Middle Ages. To quote, "The Mausoleum was, and still is, a wonder" - written during the 12th century by Eustathius, archbishop of Thessalonica, and commentator on both contemporary Crusader-type events and ancient Greek literature.

 

[Jaaroo]

Why isnt Hagia Sofia on the list of wonders??

 

[pacja]

Why isnt Hagia Sofia on the list of wonders??

In today's DD, Tuscany stated that it will be added in a future patch:

We would also like to inform you that your prayers have not gone unheard, we will be adding the Hagia Sophia in a future update!

(Quote from DD#118)

 

[208]

Not to pile on to the pedantry in this thread, but AFAIK the Lighthouse of Alexandria was never the tallest building in the world. (It was well shy of the Great Pyramid.)

I think, technically, the Pyramids are monuments, not buildings.

 

[treb]

I think, technically, the Pyramids are monuments, not buildings.

Monuments are buildings and the Great Pyramid was the tallest building in the world for about 4 millennia, iirc it was beat by Lincoln cathedral in 1311.

 

[Arkon Warlock]

Can't wait for this update!
If you don't plan on making a city background, maybe increasing the Great Work image size so it hides the background? Because right now the Apostolic Palace looks like a building placed in an empty editor map..
The House of Wisdom also really looks like the Library of Parliament here in Canada, but aside from that everything looks great!
(Also, I still hope Mont Saint-Michel will be there from the Old Gods start!)

honestly yeah that is in fact the parliamentary library behind centre block

 

[biggienpac]

The additions of non-religious wonders in the game makes me worried about how this will affect RPG elements in the game. I'm hoping the matter of making wonders not in relation to religion would be addressed in scenarios in the game relating to how it affects vassals and religious heads in a tangible way.

Canonically, it would make sense if the religious group for that wonder got a positive opinion marker for the creation of it versus a comparatively somewhat larger negative opinion bonus if it isn't relative to the religion or thought.

It's hard for me the imagine any Abrahamic faith ruler in the right mind of making Stonehenge what is considered by most historians today as a presumably pagan site without occurring a negative opinion bonus.

I'm hoping Islam and Nestorian/Orthodox Christianity get looked at more in future expansions regarding wonders
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I love what you guys are doing with the game and think it's got for at least another 2 maybe 3 expansions. Please do keep up the good work and God bless you guys!!

 

[TheDarkMaster]

The additions of non-religious wonders in the game makes me worried about how this will affect RPG elements in the game. I'm hoping the matter of making wonders not in relation to religion would be addressed in scenarios in the game relating to how it affects vassals and religious heads in a tangible way.

Canonically, it would make sense if the religious group for that wonder got a positive opinion marker for the creation of it versus a comparatively somewhat larger negative opinion bonus if it isn't relative to the religion or thought.

It's hard for me the imagine any Abrahamic faith ruler in the right mind of making Stonehenge what is considered by most historians today as a presumably pagan site without occurring a negative opinion bonus.

I'm hoping Islam and Nestorian/Orthodox Christianity get looked at more in future expansions regarding wonders
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I love what you guys are doing with the game and think it's got for at least another 2 maybe 3 expansions. Please do keep up the good work and God bless you guys!!

Christians can't normally build a pagan stone circle. It's the same with other religious wonders that wouldn't make sense for them to build, like Mosques. So you don't have to worry about most rulers making ahistorical choices about which wonder they build.

 

[Dadoverde]

I found annoying to see the wonders button in the province tab alongside the levys ones (I would prefer something like left of the owner's portrait), but it's aesthetic and nothing to be used to. XD

 

[Sarog]

Christians can't normally build a pagan stone circle. It's the same with other religious wonders that wouldn't make sense for them to build, like Mosques. So you don't have to worry about most rulers making ahistorical choices about which wonder they build.

Weirdly though egyptian_arabic culture is all that's required to unlock pyramids. The idea of Fatimid caliphs burying themselves in the Great Pyramid is kind of hilarious.

 

[Ksiendzu]

Weirdly though egyptian_arabic culture is all that's required to unlock pyramids. The idea of Fatimid caliphs burying themselves in the Great Pyramid is kind of hilarious.

This is what I do in my current campaign!

 

[Xoatl]

What does the great horse statue covert into?

 

[Wehrwolf81]

Well, I understand that the Hagia Sofia isn't a historical wonder in CK2, since it would be hard to justify, not to add several great gothic cathedrals all over central and western Europe as well for later game starts. And not to forget, you can always ugrade churches to cathedral level without having a "great wonder."
I miss the Buddhas of Bamyan, which were built in the 6th century A.D.