Would CK3 have any trade mechanic?

[Keksburg]

I found some abandoned defines in geographical_region. It seems that in episode I, PDS has defined something like trade regions or trade zones. It seems that there were added to the game in the first DLC. They are abandoned because these defines are currently not actually used. Their keys start with “dlc_ep1”, and only the geographical regions defines for the achievement for Ghurid and the event that distributing excaliburs also start with this and are currently actually used.

I’m not familiar with CK2 so I’m not sure if there were any trade mechanic in that game or not. Would CK3 be granted with some trade mechanic? What would it be like if it’s true?

 

[prismaticmarcus]

I’m not familiar with CK2 so I’m not sure if there were any trade mechanic in that game or not.

The Silk Road was introduced in a DLC.

https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Silk_Road

It wasn't really a trade 'mechanic,' though.

 

[Jia Xu]

From the old floor plan diary:

"Trade & Merchant Republics is something I hear a lot about - and it’s something that I really want to get to in time. However, I found the CK2 implementation in The Republic to be incredibly lackluster; in a game with thousands of interesting starts, it added only a handful more, and it didn’t actually have that much to do with trade. For CK3 my vision would be different - medieval rulers didn’t trade, per se, and noble rulers didn’t regularly barter resources with each other, so while that’s not a thing I’d want, there are a lot of interactions that could be added around trade and the people who did the trading. A system for CK3 would be character-driven, and there’s definitely an opportunity for new playstyles that aren’t as limited as the ones in CK2…"

I'm assuming the coming unlanded adventurer stuff will also lay the foundation for one day playing a travelling merchant. Leave Alexandria, sail to India, buy exotic goods, sell the goods back in Alexandria for a big profit. Something like that.

 

[klopkr]

I really hope they do add trade sometime.

Honestly I'd take a full 1 to 1 stealing of the trade and trade goods from EU5.

 

[Tbeaz161]

I don't have any quotes to back it up but i seem to remember they considered doing trade and admin government as the combo for this pack but thought it would be too much - instead they figure landless will put the groundwork for eventual republics and trade.

 

[Aidanator800]

I don't have any quotes to back it up but i seem to remember they considered doing trade and admin government as the combo for this pack but thought it would be too much - instead they figure landless will put the groundwork for eventual republics and trade.

They did say they initially wanted to add in both Republics as well as the admin government, but I don't think trade was ever mentioned.

 

[Tbeaz161]

It's likely I just assumed trade would be involved with republics.

 

[X_FloW]

Can anyone tell me how landless is considered the base for trade mechanics? Like do you need to physically travel from A to B to transport goods and play as a trader yourself? And why can't it just be simulated with events, modifiers, and other world triggers like EU4?

(I haven't played CK2 so I don't know how it was handled there)

 

[klopkr]

Can anyone tell me how landless is considered the base for trade mechanics? Like do you need to physically travel from A to B to transport goods and play as a trader yourself? And why can't it just be simulated with events, modifiers, and other world triggers like EU4?

(I haven't played CK2 so I don't know how it was handled there)

It's because trade will likely be connected to trade republics and in trade republics you need somewhere for your character to go and be playable when they lose elections.

CK2 had "landless play" for republics and they had half of the very minor trade mechanics of that game.

 

[Jia Xu]

Can anyone tell me how landless is considered the base for trade mechanics? Like do you need to physically travel from A to B to transport goods and play as a trader yourself? And why can't it just be simulated with events, modifiers, and other world triggers like EU4?

(I haven't played CK2 so I don't know how it was handled there)

Trade in CK2 wasn't really trade. In CK2, you conquered silk road provinces and built a silk road trading post for an extra tax bonus. It was 99% the same as constructing any other kind of building for more cash. Patricians in Merchant Republics could conquer cities and build trade posts for the same effect. It was very tacked on and not very fun to engage with.

What the developers said in the floor plan diary is that they want a CK3 trade expansion to be about characters. Rulers are explicitly singled out as people who don't trade so other characters have to do it. Characters who aren't rulers. So, unlanded adventuring lays the foundation for characters who wander the earth seeking fortune. It's very easy to see how that naturally evolves into travelling merchants.

 

[Jaevelklein]

CK 3 would need to be very careful in how they implement trade, to make it fun, worthwhile and interesting from a gameplay point of view, and not just a slogfest. While something to ponder on, I'd personally have it come later (if at all), and instead improve other areas/mechanics for now.

 

[JakeCourtney]

I really hope they do add trade sometime.

Honestly I'd take a full 1 to 1 stealing of the trade and trade goods from EU5.

Yes, please.

 

[BUSALIA]

I pray that the development team can bring me real products and trade, rather than the fake trade stations in CK2, which cannot be considered as the lack of real trading behavior and concrete products and applications in the trade mechanism.

 

[Keksburg]

The distribution of trade regions, in my view, kinda similar to EUIV

This is the pic for Dutch trade region. (In name so. I’ve no idea why Dutch region contains no Dutch)

And this seems to be something Hansa. These pics are created according to those unused codes, and probably by wiki team.

My guess: there are some trade centers (counties) on map, surrounded which are fixed regions that can have something to do with the center. For example, London is both related to Lübeck and Holland so it has a very good trading position, while some places else may only have access to one single trade center or even none so can’t develop faster.

It’s hard to say, because once the border is fixed, it would be used to be compared to PjCsr, which has dynamic borders…

But I’m sure that CK3 team would find a good way out. They have given CK3 an impressive designing already so far. We don’t need to play CK as if we were playing Vicky or others. CK is and only is CK itself.

 

[BUSALIA]

The distribution of trade regions, in my view, kinda similar to EUIV
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This is the pic for Dutch trade region.
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And this seems to be something Hansa. These pics are created according to those unused codes, and probably by wiki team.

My guess: there are some trade centers (counties) on map, surrounded which are fixed regions that can have something to do with the center. For example, London is both related to Lübeck and Holland so it has a very good trading position, while some places else may only have access to one single trade center or even none so can’t develop faster.

It’s hard to say, because once the border is fixed, it would be used to be compared to PjCsr, which has dynamic borders…

But I’m sure that CK3 team would find a good way out. They have given CK3 an impressive designing already so far. We don’t need to play CK as if we were playing Vicky or others. CK is and only is CK itself.

Let's forget about this so-called false trade mechanism of self deception. If there is a choice, I hope to obtain the trade mechanism from Emperor Rome or Victoria 3

 

[Keksburg]

Let's forget about this so-called false trade mechanism of self deception. If there is a choice, I hope to obtain the trade mechanism from Emperor Rome or Victoria 3

Which are based on provincial production and trading on actual amounts. I do not think that it suits CK well, which focuses on some personal careers instead of playing as mind-of-nation.

It’s not completely useless for sure, but it would be an important and big mechanic, which is too big to its presence in the personal mind of a European ruler 1000 yrs ago.

 

[Valkaegire]

I think if trade was built around events involving specific goods produced in your holdings it could be quite interesting.

For example maybe your capital happens to produce lots of weapons, you could get a bonus like in imperator from have a good surplus and maybe have the option to choose a main import (this is handled by your merchants of course since rulers didn't go out and haggle for shipments of cheese from the French Kings).

You could get events linked to your merchants asking for your advice or royal support rather than you micro managing trade. Maybe if Danish merchants import heavily from you and their king seizes your merchants' goods you can get an event where your people petition and it gives a repayment casus belli or something?