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Probably should have posted this earlier today. I forgot I had saved this, but it might have made Rovsea's evasiveness a little more obvious. It's only the tail end of the interrogation session from last night.
[18:44:28] <Rovsea> I did the same thing
[18:44:32] <EUROO7_> ROVSEA
[18:44:35] <EUROO7_> STATE YOUR ACCUSATION
[18:44:39] <EUROO7_> STOP APOLOGIZING.
[18:44:43] <Rovsea> Which one?
[18:44:46] <EUROO7_> ...
[18:44:49] <Rovsea> and I'm not apologizing
[18:44:51] <Rovsea> Look
[18:44:56] <Rovsea> My original post?
[18:45:02] <Rovsea> Do you want me to restate tat
[18:45:08] <Rovsea> with my actual intent?
[18:45:11] <EUROO7_> Yes.
[18:45:17] <Rovsea> Because I already did so
[18:45:19] <Rovsea> in thread
[18:45:21] <EUROO7_> Ok
[18:45:24] <EUROO7_> thanks anyway
[18:45:26] <Rovsea> I failed on the whole first sentence
[18:45:37] <MC> You did.
[18:45:55] <Rovsea> Yes
[18:46:02] <Rovsea> It shouldn't have said villager
[18:46:09] <Rovsea> it should have said wolf by Arky
[18:46:12] <MC> It shouldn't have said gambled.
[18:46:15] <Rovsea> and I should have clarified
[18:46:19] <EUROO7_> wolf by arky?
[18:46:20] <Rovsea> how ypou gambled
[18:46:29] <Rovsea> Because it should have read
[18:46:57] <Aedan> Wolves don't Gamble
[18:47:00] <Rovsea> "No, I think you gambled on saying Arky was a wolf, and you got away with TIEing a villager at the last minute again."
[18:47:04] <EUROO7_> Not with a dead seer.
[18:47:11] <Rovsea> But I failed with the wolf
[18:47:15] <MC> What your accusation should have said is that I took a risk in the first place by accusing your former self of being a wolf, then decided to double down and kill a second villager since my life was already forfeit.
[18:47:22] <Rovsea> and I didn't put the "saying" in there
[18:47:22] <EUROO7_> gambled on saying Arky was a wolf? What does that mean?
[18:47:25] <MC> You did not say that, though.
[18:47:27] <EUROO7_> What does it mean.
[18:47:32] <EUROO7_> Even if you had
[18:47:34] <EUROO7_> What does it mean
[18:47:41] <Rovsea> You said you thought Arky was a wolf
[18:48:00] <Rovsea> That was an aggressive push to get Arky lynched
[18:48:05] <EUROO7_> And this makes him a wolf?
[18:48:09] <EUROO7_> I strongly pushed Aziz
[18:48:10] <Aedan> So you're saying players shouldn't have theories on who's wolves?
[18:48:11] <EUROO7_> as did others
[18:48:12] <Rovsea> I'm trying to explain that
[18:48:13] <EUROO7_> Are we all wolves?
[18:48:18] <Rovsea> No
[18:48:30] <Rovsea> I'm saying MC was instrumental in lynching Arky
[18:48:32] <EUROO7_> (maybe aedan, chemist and I are the three wolves)
[18:48:37] <Rovsea> and instrumental in lynching former self
[18:48:44] <Rovsea> Nobody else did that'
[18:48:47] <EUROO7_> That doesn't make him a wolf.
[18:48:50] <Rovsea> IDk
[18:48:50] <MC> That would be an awesome pack, EURO.
[18:48:52] <Rovsea> maybe you are
[18:49:07] <Rovsea> It makes him a more likely wolf than myself
[18:49:08] <MC> Some day, maybe.
[18:49:14] <EUROO7_> When I GM
[18:49:18] <EUROO7_> Anyway
[18:49:20] <EUROO7_> Rovs
[18:49:22] <EUROO7_> Do you realize
[18:49:26] <EUROO7_> how nonsense your case is
[18:49:32] <Rovsea> It isn't nonsense
[18:49:37] <EUROO7_> Restate it
[18:49:39] <EUROO7_> Use logic this time
[18:49:44] <Rovsea> just because you don't understand what I'm trying to say
[18:49:49] <EUROO7_> heh
[18:49:55] <Rovsea> doesn't mean trhat what I'm trying to say is trash
[18:50:02] <EUROO7_> You're absolutely right
[18:50:03] <Rovsea> it just means that there is a miscommunication
[18:50:10] <Rovsea> Ok
[18:50:13] <EUROO7_> WHICH IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO ELIMINATE
[18:50:14] <Aedan> Pushing people and being wrong isn't a sign of wolfishness. MC does look bad, but that's because of his manner of the push, invoking a tie, and possibly distracting from other candidates
[18:50:14] <Rovsea> MC is a wolf
[18:50:18] <EUROO7_> But until you communicate it properly
[18:50:26] <Rovsea> He decides to try and lynch former self on Day 2
[18:50:35] <Aedan> Granted, I still don't think MC would be so blatant as a wolf
[18:50:36] <EUROO7_> I did that
[18:50:43] <Rovsea> by being aggressive in the lynch of what he knows will be a villager
[18:50:46] <Rovsea> he takes a gamble
[18:50:52] <Rovsea> the next day
[18:50:55] <Rovsea> with Arkasas
[18:51:01] <EUROO7_> what gamble?
[18:51:05] <Rovsea> he knows that himself, and Toucan
[18:51:07] <EUROO7_> you keep using that word.
[18:51:12] <Rovsea> are both being spotlit
[18:51:18] <Rovsea> so he goes back in the thread
[18:51:23] <Rovsea> and brings up Arky
[18:51:39] <Rovsea> with a very loose case on him about some speculation involving Aedan
[18:51:46] <Rovsea> He gambles
[18:51:49] <Rovsea> because in hindsight
[18:51:56] <MC> So Toucan's a villager too? Thanks for letting me know.
[18:52:03] <Rovsea> other players can see that he aggressively pushed the lynch of villagers
[18:52:07] <EUROO7_> MC, be quiet
[18:52:12] <Rovsea> No
[18:52:13] <MC> OK.
[18:52:17] <Rovsea> Toucan is a wolf
[18:52:26] <Rovsea> That is how it is a gamble
[18:52:35] <Rovsea> he knows that he is drawing attention to himself
[18:52:42] <Rovsea> and if you look at the thread
[18:52:46] <Rovsea> he has been successful
[18:52:50] <EUROO7_> So
[18:52:53] <Aedan> You think MC -and- 2kNikk are wolves?
[18:52:55] <Rovsea> Yes
[18:52:57] <Rovsea> I do
[18:52:58] <EUROO7_> Let me try to restate your case
[18:53:06] <EUROO7_> See if you agree with my characterization of it
[18:53:31] <Aedan> If it wasn't day before parity I'd lynch you just so we don't have that terrible of an argument around
[18:53:33] <EUROO7_> Madchemist lynches Rovsea, because he knows he's a villager
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[18:53:53] <EUROO7_> Instead of pushing Panzer, his doomed packmate to get cred
[18:54:02] <EUROO7_> Next
[18:54:17] <EUROO7_> Madchemist lynches Arkasas, because he knows he is a villager
[18:54:19] <EUROO7_> Hoping that
[18:54:23] <EUROO7_> the village will think
[18:54:29] <EUROO7_> that Madchemist is too brazen to be a wolf?
[18:54:36] <Rovsea> Sort of
[18:54:40] <Rovsea> but not really
[18:54:44] <Rovsea> at least not in day 2
[18:54:44] <EUROO7_> WELL GREAT
[18:54:47] <Rovsea> In Day 2
[18:54:57] <Aedan> And in the middle of it MC and his packmate 2kNikk try to get each other lynched. apparently.
[18:55:02] <Rovsea> he is also trying to save both himself and his packmate
[18:55:03] <Rovsea> Toucan
[18:55:04] <EUROO7_> FORGOT THAT
[18:55:13] <Rovsea> No
[18:55:15] <Rovsea> that is not true
[18:55:29] <MC> We pretend to try getting each other lynched, then.
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[18:55:33] <Rovsea> but don't you find that at least a little odd?
[18:55:34] <EUROO7_> WAIT WAIT WAIT
[18:55:46] <EUROO7_> Are you saying
[18:55:56] <EUROO7_> that Madchemist invoked the Second Law of Eurodynamics?
[18:56:09] <Rovsea> I know I'm going to regret this
[18:56:18] <Rovsea> but what is the 2nd law of eurodynamics?
[18:56:36] <Aedan> Push players up fast, so people panic and find another candidate because it's too easy
[18:56:44] <EUROO7_> ^
[18:56:54] <Rovsea> meh
[18:56:55] <MC> I should learn these laws.
[18:57:02] <Rovsea> I'd hve to do an in-depth analysis
[18:57:07] <MC> What's the first law?
[18:57:14] <Rovsea> Which I'm certainly not doing tonight
[18:57:17] <EUROO7_> Who knows
[18:57:21] <EUROO7_> No one's discovered it yet, MC
[18:57:21] <Rovsea> Wait
[18:57:27] <Rovsea> you only have a second law?
[18:57:32] <EUROO7_> Yes.
[18:57:34] <Aedan> Is that really surprising?
[18:57:56] <Rovsea> not really
[18:57:58] <Rovsea> no
[19:00:15] <Aedan> Rovsea's case is horrible. I'm tempted to say too horrible, that a wolf would create a more coherent case and stay low with parity right around the corner. Or maybe he got careless. Uggh, too many possibilities.
[19:00:35] <EUROO7_> It could be both, Aedan
[19:00:53] <EUROO7_> Careless wolf who tried to make a case on what seemed like a safe bet scapegoat
[19:00:59] <Rovsea> I'm not going to continue pursuing this tonight
[19:01:01] <EUROO7_> Or idiot villager who can't into logic
[19:01:06] <Rovsea> I'm going to take my time
[19:01:20] <Rovsea> and post something that will finally make it through the skulls of you lot
[19:01:23] <EUROO7_> I will say this
[19:01:36] <Rovsea> please don't bandwagon me until I've had adequate time to defend myself
[19:01:45] <EUROO7_> MC seemed overeager to put Rovsea in the careless wolf category.
[19:02:18] <MC> ?
[19:02:30] <Aedan> Perhaps
[19:02:38] <MC> Oh, you're suggesting he could just be a really sloppy villager?
[19:02:57] <Aedan> MC doesn't act like this as a wolf though, so I'm still reluctant to go that way
[19:02:59] <EUROO7_> I'm just not as ready to close the case
[19:05:27] <Aedan> I worry that this is all village infighting, and the wolves are Dadarian, Leondark, and Livingstone, who don't need to do anything as the village destroys itself. And I'm almost certain at least one of them is a wolf.
[19:05:47] <EUROO7_> Hah
[19:05:52] <EUROO7_> Well
[19:05:59] <EUROO7_> The hunts could very well have been Panzer
[19:06:09] <Rovsea> ?
[19:06:11] <Rovsea> uh
[19:06:13] <Rovsea> what?
[19:06:24] <EUROO7_> The hunts
[19:06:29] <EUROO7_> They could have been set by Panzer
[19:06:31] <EUROO7_> The wolf.
[19:06:37] <Rovsea> ah
[19:06:48] <Rovsea> I thought you said that the wolves hunted panzer
[19:06:53] <Rovsea> for just a second
[19:06:58] <MC> How does Panzer hunt? I don't think I've ever been his packmate.
[19:07:11] <EUROO7_> He tried to hunt like a vet
[19:07:29] <MC> OK.
[19:07:57] <EUROO7_> ugh
[19:08:01] <EUROO7_> I need to go through the thread
[19:08:15] <EUROO7_> and finish the big game thread
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[19:50:24] <Rovsea> So
[19:50:37] <Rovsea> for those who care, I have just started my first AAR
[19:51:41] <Dadarian> yey
[19:53:28] <Rovsea> It is a Vicky II AAR
[20:24:24] <Rovsea> night
Yeah, that was definitely my biggest mistake of the game. I think it would have gone much smoother today had I never posted that. I didn't want to edit or delete, of course, as that would make it look like I had something to hide. To be fair, my argument that I brought up actually seemed reasonable to me, although I doubt anyone else would understand it. I hate it when I can't articulate an idea correctly.
The argument was reasonable, and I gave a valid interpretation of it in IRC. Unfortunately, you said it in a way that revealed that you knew I wasn't actually a wolf.
[video=youtube;bq1f3Hr03fQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq1f3Hr03fQ[/video]
GG wolves. GG.
