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I only meant that Belgium needs to be split anyways...difference between Flanders and Wallonia sometimes too big, nevertheless I advocate a restoration of at least a part of the Southern Netherlands (belgium) towards the northern part but in this case, Flanders gets way too much although I believe that the Saxe Coburg Gotha house will be more reliable to the Germans...but still Wilhelmina did have a point in aiding the late Kaiser Wilhelm II, so I think it is still unfair :D... however great update, can't wait for the English solution...

Tim
 
In keeping with the holiday:

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Messy Kweznus, everyone.
 
81. All Valiant Dust That Builds on Dust

SMS Deutschland
Wilhelmshaven, German Empire
4 August 1942


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On the anniversary of the war, a delegation of blue-clad German marines escorted a woman aboard the Kaiser's ship. She paid them no attention beyond a frigid indifference to the Fregattenkapitän who led them and acted as her personal chaperone. Once aboard the moored Deutschland, the small procession moved aft to flag country, and she carefully gathered her skirts to descend belowdecks, casting the hapless officer a glance that would wither a garden when he offered his hand. "We require no assistance," she declared loudly enough for the entire assembly to hear.

In the Kaiser's suite, Wilhelm III paced, debating the proper course. As victor and Kaiser, of course, he should remain seated upon her arrival - let her look like a supplicant for once! - but as a man who had once depended on her protection, and the son of a man who had once depended on her protection, he simply could not bring himself to do that. This would be distasteful enough as it was. Thus, when the Foot Guard on duty stepped in and murmured, "All-Highest, she is here," he was far more flustered than usual. He nodded hastily and shooed the man out. Once he was alone again, he took a deep breath, straightening, trying his best to become every inch the Prussian warlord, not the Berlin playboy. Moments later, the hatch opened again and Kapitän Henningsen stepped through the door, stentorian voice announcing as he had rehearsed, "All-Highest, Her Majesty, Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands!"

Wilhelmina swept into the room. Compared to Wilhelm, she was dressed simply, in a businesslike skirt, blouse, and coat, a hat perched on the back of her head. Wilhelm's habitual eye for women went to work, even though he had met her numerous times before and she was far too old for his tastes. Matronly, stern-faced, she would be an intimidating governess or nanny, he mused. The fact that she had for fifty years played precisely this role to a whole country gave her a much stronger claim to being Victoria's spiritual heir than his own, no matter the "German miracle" the historians were already discussing. She knew of this German sensitivity to comparison to Britain, and chose to exploit it with her first words. "Your great-grandmother would not be amused, Wilhelm."

The words stung, and he heard Henningsen's sharp intake of breath at the blatant disregard for the Kaiser's exalted position; as one of the people who had seen him as a penniless exile-prince in the 1920s, he was peculiarly defenseless against her. He pretended she had not spoken and put on his most charming expression. "Your Majesty," he began in Dutch (accented, true, but close enough to be understood), "I am pleased to receive you today. May I offer you something? Tea? Coffee? We have an excellent Italian coffee, courtesy of Count Ciano." She frowned, suspecting a ploy, then relented. "Coffee, if you please."

As the coffee service arrived, served, and withdrew, he gestured for her to sit. Almost as if guided to it, she chose his favorite chair and sank into it. He knew her health had not been at its best, but the only hint of any of that was the unconscious expression of relief that crossed her eyes as she sat. Relief smothered his irritation at losing his favorite chair - this was just an old woman, after all, not Grendel's mother! She dispelled the impression moments later as he sat himself. "What is this nonsense your man Papen has been saying about the southern provinces?"

Wilhelm winced. "Majesty, on the recommendation of the General Staff, there are certain... territorial concessions which the French government is aiding us to purchase from you."

"No."

Wilhelm had been Kaiser for five years now, though the fifth anniversary of his coronation had been marred by the death of his own son in France. He had grown unused to refusal, and blinked. "But, my dear Queen!"

"I am not your dear Queen. From what I hear, your 'dears' are Baroness von Hairdresser and Lady Opfersingerin," she shot back with withering scorn. "We have been subject to Spanish, to Austrian, to French occupation, and to partition and indignity at the hands of France again and again. We will not agree to any partition which yields Dutch soil to you or any other nation."

He sighed. "This is why Papen asked me to speak to you, I suppose. I understand that your lost provinces would just become your Elsass-Lothringen. You must understand, though, that the war is over. Japan occupies all of your Indies colonies. The Americans are going to grab Curacao the moment that their man Hull appears in a general session. Your Majesty," he said urgently, leaning forward, "you have lost. At least let me soften it for you, let us end as friends!"

"So that we may be carved, then forced into your customs union? Oh yes, I have heard about your new Zollverein. I heard that Flanders and Hainaut are already members." Her eyes narrowed as she sipped her coffee. "Do not presume to make it a condition of what a decent man would already have granted."

Slightly frantic, in emotional turmoil between the demands of his friends Bock and Papen on the one hand, and the stone-faced refusal of Wilhelmina to recognize reality, Wilhelm's voice became urgent. "I want to help you! The admirals want to turn the IJsselmeer into our anchorage, Majesty, and I've already received plans from Marshal Bock for batteries keeping the entire area under our guns. Do you think that this idea of trimming your country in half is mine? This is what I can save you!" He stood, hands thrown high, pacing the stateroom. "I agreed to the war because the General Staff said it was how to defeat France. I hadn't expected that we would be carving up your country just because we could." Wilhelm's voice had turned miserable; the admission put a dent in the public appearance of an all-knowing, all-conquering warlord. It was really a role for which Wilhelm, like his father, was temperamentally unsuited no matter how much they might enjoy it. Seeing the crack, she softened slightly.

"We have perhaps been... over-hasty." She sighed. "I understand that your armies are everywhere, and where yours are not, the Japanese are. Further, I understand that we are therefore at your mercy, and all that we have upon which to rely is German decency." Her eyes half-closed, she looked up at him. "It is up to you to decide whether such a thing exists."

"I am no Ludendorff," he replied, turning to her again. "I wish only for the Westfriesland, and for the Duke, Zeelandic Flanders. And the town of Doorn." The last was almost an afterthought, but Doorn was a symbol at this point. Wreaths had been laid at the place of Wilhelm II's exile almost as soon as Germans arrived, and it was a standard place of pilgrimage for any German officer in the Netherlands. "In return," he added hastily, seeing her begin to refuse again, "In return, Germany will fully assist with repairing the damage caused by the war, and you will be fully compensated for the territorial losses."

"No German soldiers will remain in the Netherlands?" she asked suspiciously. "None," he promised. "Even the aid we send will be from Speer's ministry, not the Marshal's."

"And we will not be forced into the Zollverein?" He shrugged. "Not forced, no. I think - I hope! - that you will find it is more to your advantage to join than to refuse. But no, you will not be forced."

She sat silently, eyes focused on the far rim of her coffee cup. "I do not like this," she finally said with a long, drawn-out sigh, eyes closed. "I believe it to be the best of a number of bad choices. Her eyes opened, sad and tired, and looked up at him. "Very well, Wilhelm. I accept. You will find no further resistance from us." He moved to take her hand and offer thanks, but she shook her head, levering herself from the chair. "No. A bandit does not thank his victims; nor should you." Her bitterness was palpable. "Do not mistake this for agreement; it is acquiescence."
 
Germany is carving the path for his future destruction...
 
I wouldn't say destruction, they are too strong for that, but I fear a Balkan-level of ******-storm is in the offing....
 
Germany is carving the path for his future destruction...

Well yeah, though none of Germany's neighbors will have the industrial base to fight them. A coalition of the willing might be able to manage it, but that's for later, and I expect that in the '50s and '60s, following Mussolini and Horthy's deaths, key partners in that coalition would be simply too inept to manage their internal affairs and a war.

I wouldn't say destruction, they are too strong for that, but I fear a Balkan-level of ******-storm is in the offing....

I doubt that. The Low Countries are much more culturally homogeneous than the Balkans. "Homogeneous" might be the wrong word, but everyone is more or less on speaking terms with everyone else. It's not like the Albanians, Macedonians, Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks, Greeks...

Why Friesland?
More claims to the North Sea oil? :p

There's oil in the North Sea? And it's accessible from the German coast? And the Scapa Flow terminals are going to German control? Why, you'd almost think it was a plot... against Britain! :p

Speaking of which, update that damn thing already! I want to see Theo Osterkamp and Wilhelm Canaris arguing with Minoru Genda about the proper way to spot planes on a carrier deck! :p
 
THat reminds me, I was going to put in Genda and Fuchida deriding the Seafire in my own AAR.....
 
Small geographical nitpick, Westfriesland is a part of the Dutch province of North-Holland. The area you refer to is called Friesland, which included Westfriesland and German Ostfriesland in the Middle Ages. Guess Groningen and Drenthe are lost too. Do the Germans just take the North, or are Gelderland and Overijssel (ingame Arnhem-province) annexed too? Nice move to claim Doorn too. Otherwise the queen would have demolished the palace there the day after the German troops had left the town

Nice portrayal of Wilhelmina BTW. Churchill once called her the only man among the governments-in-exile for a reason. Yet signing away a large part of her ancestral lands, and the unforgivable betrayal of the Hohenzollerns must be enough to break even her icy calmness.
On a different note, postwar Dutch politics could be quite interesting, with the Queen probably trying to control government, and foreign policy torn between revanchism and pragmatism. Think ol' Prince Bernhard (spouse of the crown princess) could play a large role too (he was charming, well connected and the most opportunistic prince in Dutch history,and a German nobleman to boot).
 
Small geographical nitpick, Westfriesland is a part of the Dutch province of North-Holland. The area you refer to is called Friesland, which included Westfriesland and German Ostfriesland in the Middle Ages. Guess Groningen and Drenthe are lost too. Do the Germans just take the North, or are Gelderland and Overijssel (ingame Arnhem-province) annexed too? Nice move to claim Doorn too. Otherwise the queen would have demolished the palace there the day after the German troops had left the town

Nice portrayal of Wilhelmina BTW. Churchill once called her the only man among the governments-in-exile for a reason. Yet signing away a large part of her ancestral lands, and the unforgivable betrayal of the Hohenzollerns must be enough to break even her icy calmness.
On a different note, postwar Dutch politics could be quite interesting, with the Queen probably trying to control government, and foreign policy torn between revanchism and pragmatism. Think ol' Prince Bernhard (spouse of the crown princess) could play a large role too (he was charming, well connected and the most opportunistic prince in Dutch history,and a German nobleman to boot).

Definitely making a note of Bernhard. I do, however, refuse to believe he was the most opportunistic prince in Dutch history - last I checked, one of the infinite selection of Williams was the last man to invade Britain successfully, and by invitation no less. To answer your question about territorial claims, see the previous page. There's a map showing the final dispositions in game-province terms for the Low Countries.

Postwar Dutch politics will likely be a lot like a small-scale version of 1920s-1930s German politics; the comparison of Wilhelmina and Hindenburg is especially apt in her later years. Under the circumstances, I see her as unlikely to release the reins until her death, because the country is still incredibly unstable and I expect she'd never willingly hand over a broken country. Her intentions, however, like Hindenburg's in 1932, are in direct conflict with her health.

Next, the main body of the Conference, which will deal with the dispositions of France and Britain on the one hand, and Germany, Italy, Spain, Hungary, and the Ottomans on the other.
 
Think ol' Prince Bernhard (spouse of the crown princess) could play a large role too (he was charming, well connected and the most opportunistic prince in Dutch history,and a German nobleman to boot).

The only SA/SS ("It was the only way to drive motorcycle as a student") man who flew combat missions with the RAF, according to his version of WW2 :D
 
Took a look at the map on the previous page. Ironically, the province of Friesland is still Dutch, the Germans only annexing Groningen (which has a longstanding rivalry with Friesland). Must object to ingame Rotterdam (representing the province of South Holland) going to Belgium. Its the most core of Dutch core provinces, with the likes of Rotterdam, the Hague, Delft (the Oranjes are buried there), Leiden and hordes of angry calvinists live. Guess its the constraint of the rather lacking Dutch HoI map which led to this map, as Zeeuws Flanders is a very insignificant strip of land in reallife.

But enough angry Dutch jingoistic ranting, your plans for the Dutch postwar politics sound very interesting, with Wilhelmina as a Hindenburg being a fair representation of her character. Interesting to see how the deeply pacifist and borderline socialist Crownprincess will hold on.
 
The side story that I haven't brought up just yet is the newly German Congo. I predict a 1970s film in which a Brandenburger is sent up the Congo to find and dispatch an insane officer who bears a more than passing resemblance to Theodor Eicke - who does indeed wind up in Africa, since colonial service is always a backdoor route to promotion.

I understand your problems with the Dutch map. Texas, which is the size of France in real life, is represented ingame by four or five territories, most of which are excellent tank country in real life. On the HoI2 map, good luck reflecting the fact that there's always an open flank in most of the state. I may take a close look at Darkest Hour, see if it's solved any of the map issues in areas like that.
 
The only SA/SS ("It was the only way to drive motorcycle as a student") man who flew combat missions with the RAF, according to his version of WW2 :D

I see your Dutch Prince and raise you a German citizen who never renounced his citizenship, flew Typhoons for the RAF during The War and then went on to become production designer for some of the best Original Sean Connery Bond Films.

His name is Sir Kenneth Adam.
 
His name is Sir Kenneth Adam.

While I was mentioning the claim of the late prince Bernand for the humour itself contained and no more, Sir Kenneth Adam, OBE, played in another league, of course.

For the life of my I cannot remember the name of the other German who flew in the RAF... darn it.
 
82. Far-Called Our Navies Melt Away

Marinearsenal
Wilhelmshaven, German Empire
18 August 1942


The first portion of the Conference of Wilhelmshaven - the German dictation to the prostrate Dutch and Belgians - was over. The Kingdom of Belgium was no more, and Queen Wilhelmina had seen her European possessions roughly halved. The coal-rich region of Limburg, and the North Sea port of Groningen, were officially German. It was now time for a more difficult matter.

The British delegation was small; few of the ministers of Attlee's government had seen fit to join him in negotiation of terms for Britain. Notably, Colonel Eden, late of the 21st Battalion of the King's Royal Rifle Corps, with his arm in a sling and an eyepatch covering wounds sustained during the fighting in Aberdeen. It was a sign both of Eden's place in postwar British politics and the shabby condition of the country in general that he still wore his green dress uniform, the one presentable suit he owned which had survived. Attlee himself looked slightly shabby compared to Eden and the peacock-like Papen, wearing the same charcoal suit in which he had been captured. By now the bomb-dust had been cleaned from it, but it had definitely seen better days.

Now, Attlee stood facing the German party on the rostrum, one hand on the conference table before him, the other on his lapel. "I must strenuously object to the position set forth by Herr Neurath," he began. "If the esteemed German minister wishes us to believe that Germany has a legitimate claim to the islands because of the sinking of German ships there, then should they not legitimately belong to Britain, as not only are our vessels lying there today, but their crews sleeping within them?" Neurath shifted uncomfortably on the rostrum, Papen looked bored and muttered something to Hindenburg, who laughed, and Eden frowned and nodded. Attlee ignored them and continued his address. "Further, by this argument, I believe that Britain has a legitimate claim to the Balearics, to Denmark, to Alexandria, to much of the Baltic - indeed, the whole of the ocean! I do not suppose the gentlemen from Germany wish to consider the whole of the world as a British dominion, but Herr Neurath's reasoning argues quite eloquently for this."

He went on in this vein for several minutes. The truth was that the German claims had little to no legal justification. He freely conceded the former German colonies in Africa; they at least had a claim there. The German seizure of the Orkneys, Shetlands, and Faeroes simply reflected the need for Germany to have fueling stations for her growing empire. Strangely, while the greatest blow in terms of prestige had been the German claim on the Sinai, it was the one Attlee personally minded least. Eden had vociferously objected, but Admiral Cunningham had made the Suez Canal impassable for the foreseeable future by destroying the lock control structures at the Red Sea terminus. To saddle Germany with the monumental costs of restoring the Canal would free Britain of obligations there, and allow him to worry more about the ongoing Japanese war. This would be an odious peace, but Attlee firmly believed it was a necessary peace: bring order in Europe to allow the Empire a free hand in Asia.

He had believed this the entire conference, but today a Foot Guards page discreetly moved to the rostrum and passed a message to Papen, who nodded and stood. "Thank you, Prime Minister. I apologize for interrupting you, but there is a further party who have asked for consideration in our discussions. They were unable to attend the earlier sessions, but have now arrived. Prime Minister, I believe you know Mr. Gandhi?"

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Papen raised his hand, gesturing at the main entrance to the Arsenal's mess hall. A diminutive brown man, bare-headed and wrapped in white, stood with one hand raised in greeting. Attlee blinked; the Government had been functioning at a very low level of efficiency, true, but had he not heard that Cripps was still speaking to the Indians? The answer to this question appeared moments later over Gandhi's shoulder. He saw Stafford Cripps in Gandhi's entourage, looking sheepish and refusing to meet his eyes, alongside the political leadership of the Indian National Congress and a handful of German naval officers acting as their shepherds.

It was impossible to misread what this meant. In March, Gandhi had issued his "Quit India" program to the British, and at the last reliable report from Linlithgow in Delhi, the Viceroy had planned on arresting the Congress leadership. That the Germans had instead grabbed them out from under their very noses was a coup of the highest order. Attlee stood rock-still, trying to assess his situation anew as the conference was re-shuffled, granting the Indians their own table. Significantly, they were lower in precedence than Hungary, but they still sat as equals in negotiation with their King-Emperor's representatives.

His shoulders slumped and he leaned forward again, this time tiredly, eyes downcast. He fully anticipated that India would rule itself as part of the Commonwealth at some point in the future, but now was not the time for these talks, and certainly not at a German bayonet! He straightened once more with a deliberate effort and looked at Papen. "I fail to see how the presence of Mr. Gandhi impacts the German minister's statement that Germany has a legitimate claim to the anchorage of Scapa Flow, Herr Reichskanzler."

Papen waved languidly. "It does not, Prime Minister. This is a new Vienna, if you please, a general settlement of our affairs. I would say European affairs, but so many of us have interests beyond Europe, no?" A smile lifted the corners of his moustache. "I personally have long taken an interest in the plight of the Indians."

"Certainly," Attlee shot back acerbically, "As Germany did with the Herero, I am sure." Papen blanched. It might cost Britain, but at that moment, Attlee could not help but feel satisfaction at having scored a point off the German chancellor. Not for the first time, he noticed with irritation how Papen's chair on the rostrum looked much like the throne of the German kings at Aachen. The most charitable thing he could find to say about Papen's chair was that it could not be comfortable, even if it was wooden rather than stone. Damned presumptuous, too.

At moments like this, it was the small things that Attlee noticed: how Gandhi at least had the decency to look discomfited by the fact that his program of non-violence had no place in the Germans' way of thinking. He knew damned well that his presence was due to Papen's desire to play Caesar, rather than a victory of his own program. Attlee had met Gandhi several times, and at the very least had no doubts of the man's sincerity. His "Quit India" program was poorly timed and at the outside treasonous, but he himself believed wholeheartedly that it was the right course. Glancing between Gandhi and Papen, Attlee made a rapid decision. It would have to be codified over the course of the conference, but the fact was that Gandhi, and indeed the Congress leadership as a whole, were simply more trustworthy than Papen. Even if they were filled with residual loathing for Britain, it was better than trusting the peacock chancellor.

"Of course," he continued, having made his decision, "I do not believe this is the time or place to discuss the grievances of His Majesty's Indian subjects, but," he added with a glance at Gandhi and Nehru, "I am amenable to such discussion and reaching a conclusion which satisfies the Indian gentlemen as well as the honor of His Majesty." Papen looked slightly nonplussed. He had clearly expected that Attlee would play the same card as Churchill - preserve the Empire at all costs! - but Churchill would have died in London.

Attlee smiled, seeing Papen's confusion. He would save whatever he could, and if that meant sacrifice in India - well, it was to some degree inevitable, especially now that they had seen that the King-Emperor could be defeated on the battlefield. Britain, though... Britain would survive.

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In the weeks that followed, Attlee achieved a handful of minor miracles: he allowed for Indian self-rule, but he saved the Royal Navy from any sort of restrictions as Germany had been placed under at Versailles. The British Army was functionally disbanded anyway, and Papen had connived at maintaining it at a status similar to the Reichsheer in the 1920s. It was the Kaiser who had intervened at this point. He had pointed out that the British had as many proud traditions as the Reichsheer, and that to extinguish them, especially after the gallant defense of the island, would be nearly criminal. Thus, even if they had achieved little tactically, the 2nd Battalion of the Coldstream Guards' defense of the hills south of London had saved the Army.

Germany gained much of Africa, the Suez Canal, and the northern islands, as expected, but Papen's ministers had apparently chosen to operate without their master's direct knowledge in many cases. A cabal of German industrialists, including Alfried von Bohlen of the Krupp firm, Ernst Baron von Siemens, Economic Minister Albert Speer, and the Crown Prince, had approached Lord Beaverbrook under the aegis of the German Crown Prince, well-known for his interest in the aviation industry in a side session of the general meeting offering German assistance in rebuilding British industry, at a price. The price was perhaps far steeper than Britain could afford, at Ludwig Ferdinand's instigation of all things. He had been impressed with the performance of the British Spitfire fighter, and thus the entire production line of the Rolls-Royce company's Derby factory was to be sold to Daimler-Benz and transplanted to Stuttgart. Beaverbrook was intensely suspicious of the offer, considering that the Derby plant produced not only the excellent Merlin engine, but the more powerful, larger Griffon. In the end, the German corporations got their way, with the result that German arms manufacturers financed much of the postwar reconstruction of the country they had helped destroy.

Of all the attendees of Wilhelmshaven, the only one who walked away completely disappointed was Eamon de Valera, who had been first liberated by the Germans, then expected Ireland to be returned to independence and even given Ulster. Attlee had forestalled this early on by acceding to the rather ridiculous Flanders-Hainaut-Netherlands situation. He then used the German partition of Belgium as an argument for Britain's continued presence in Ireland. "The Irish peace, after all, was a separate peace not attached to this treaty in the slightest," Attlee declared in private talks with Neurath, whom he greatly preferred to Papen.

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Nearly as bitterly dissatisfied with Wilhelmshaven was Sir Alan Brooke, Ironside's replacement as Chief of the Imperial General Staff, who, upon seeing the proposed final map, turned away from it and declared, "The sun has set on the Empire." Brooke recognized immediately what Indian independence meant: the war against Japan was, for the foreseeable future, lost. Now Britain must fight to hold Australia. The war between the United States and Japan might mean the Americans would assist Britain, but, based on the tardiness of American troops reaching Britain, he had his doubts about the effectiveness of American arms.
 
Oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear.


*goes back to write his own side story where Britain leads the free world*
 
There are bound to be some questions, so explanations ahead of time:

The acquisition of Limburg, and the Rolls-Royce purchase, explain some events that Mod33 has for occupation and reparation. Since at the end of Wilhelmshaven, British-German relations are +51, I'm going with purchase and heavy German investment (like a German Marshall plan) as part of the explanation. It also explains why Germany suddenly starts fielding inline engines again in addition to radials in large numbers of aircraft. There is actually a precedent for this, as Spanish licensed production of the Me 109 continued postwar using a license-built Merlin engine, so we know the pieces will fit together.

Indian independence is an event that fires on the British surrender; I am not going into the details of partition tehre because it's incredibly messy. No mod to my knowledge puts together an explanation for how the Princely States are handled, and frankly I think if Britain simply pulled up stakes ratehr than making some sort of negotiated effort, India would have disintegrated into civil war and a series of failed states.

Alan Brooke's comments at the end are meant to reflect the reality in the Pacific, resulting in a year-long truce following the Treaty of Singapore event. The Royal Navy will fall back on Australia and the bloated Japanese Empire will consolidate its grip on Indochina, Japan, Burma, Indonesia, and the Philippines, but the British-Japanese War of 1943-? is a spectacular brawl indeed. As of last save load in 1952, Tommy was on the outskirts of Hanoi and the US had 350-odd divisions in Rangoon. Just sitting in Rangoon.
 
"This is not a Peace Treaty. This is an Armistice for ten years" (Erwin Rommel, 1942)