Lollards and the English civil war

[Sethrian]

Just played a game as Lollard England in the 1399 scenario, and the Lollards need an outcome created for them at the end of the civil war.
- Choosing Cromwell force converts you to Reformed.
- Choosing the Parliament force converts to Protestant.
In case of a Royalist victory, the two options will force convert to either Protestant or Catholic.

On a side note:
The scenario is awesome, but the Ottomans need a buff, or the Timurids a nerf. The Ottomans almost always fail to conquer Byzantium.

 

[Unknown Unknown]

Just played a game as Lollard England in the 1399 scenario, and the Lollards need an outcome created for them at the end of the civil war.
- Choosing Cromwell force converts you to Reformed.
- Choosing the Parliament force converts to Protestant.
In case of a Royalist victory, the two options will force convert to either Protestant or Catholic.

On a side note:
The scenario is awesome, but the Ottomans need a buff, or the Timurids a nerf. The Ottomans almost always fail to conquer Byzantium.

Hi there!

Appreciate the comments. I'm glad you are enjoying the 1399 scenario - it seems fairly popular on Discord!

I'll take a look at the ECW events. We have updated most events to allow for Lollardy (if you choose to stay Lollard later in the game) but you're correct that the ECW events tend to force you in a particular direction. I'll update these to assume the player could still be Lollard.

As for the Ottomans and Timurids... yeah, this is problematic and one of the main reasons why balance is so different between 1399 and 1419. At this time Timur was still alive and the Timurids were very powerful (they have quite a few strong leaders); conversely the Ottoman sultan was captured and killed, and they fell into complete collapse and a decade of civil war. It's really an aberration of history that the Ottomans ever managed to recover, let alone to the extent they did. This is very difficult to represent in the game, although they do get some nice buffs with the Ottoman Revival event.

It's difficult to balance, but in 1399 we wanted the Ottomans to be a hard start (which the scenario info states they are) and the Timurids to be very, very strong right off the bat - obviously things get harder once Timur dies. Historically they actually held together fairly well until the mid-15th century, at which point they began splintering and engaging in various civil wars between claimants.

I'll look into this for you, but the main point to remember here is that Ottoman fortunes are intentionally very different in 1399 than they are in the standard 1419 start.

 

[Alfonso V]

If left AI the Ottomans will mount to nothing in the 1399 scenario bcos it simply can not survive.

 

[Sethrian]

Hi there!

Appreciate the comments. I'm glad you are enjoying the 1399 scenario - it seems fairly popular on Discord!

I'll take a look at the ECW events. We have updated most events to allow for Lollardy (if you choose to stay Lollard later in the game) but you're correct that the ECW events tend to force you in a particular direction. I'll update these to assume the player could still be Lollard.

As for the Ottomans and Timurids... yeah, this is problematic and one of the main reasons why balance is so different between 1399 and 1419. At this time Timur was still alive and the Timurids were very powerful (they have quite a few strong leaders); conversely the Ottoman sultan was captured and killed, and they fell into complete collapse and a decade of civil war. It's really an aberration of history that the Ottomans ever managed to recover, let alone to the extent they did. This is very difficult to represent in the game, although they do get some nice buffs with the Ottoman Revival event.

It's difficult to balance, but in 1399 we wanted the Ottomans to be a hard start (which the scenario info states they are) and the Timurids to be very, very strong right off the bat - obviously things get harder once Timur dies. Historically they actually held together fairly well until the mid-15th century, at which point they began splintering and engaging in various civil wars between claimants.

I'll look into this for you, but the main point to remember here is that Ottoman fortunes are intentionally very different in 1399 than they are in the standard 1419 start.

Thank you for the detailed answer and for taking a look at it!

I understand. The Ottomans went through their worst crisis at the time. Gameplay wise, it could be interesting, if they aren't the ones to emerge as the dominant power in that region every time, but I'm pretty sure having multiple powerful outcomes is even harder to pull off. It's just that as things are, the region remains divided all game, with countries like Austria and Venice encroaching in.

 

[ConjurerDragon]

in AGCEEP several of the Ottomans neighbours (e.g. the Karamanids related by marriage to the Ottomans) have events to become the Ottomans under conditions.
So even if the Ottomans fail they might be reborn.

 

[Unknown Unknown]

in AGCEEP several of the Ottomans neighbours (e.g. the Karamanids related by marriage to the Ottomans) have events to become the Ottomans under conditions.
So even if the Ottomans fail they might be reborn.

That isn't the case in vanilla but is certainly an idea worth considering for a future decision.

 

[Unknown Unknown]

@Sethrian

Let me know how you get on with the 1399 and ECW changes.