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Victoria 2 17560 After Action Reports (AAR)
Agreed! Since Mexico is my ally now I can see the USA border and they have huge stacks sitting on Mexico's border just waiting for them or us to make a move! It is historical I guess I mean by 1916 the USA is a juggernaut waiting to happen. If I want to really wipe out the US I might play as Britain and regain the 'colonies' as my primary goal right from the start.
 
War Emblem said:
Agreed! Since Mexico is my ally now I can see the USA border and they have huge stacks sitting on Mexico's border just waiting for them or us to make a move! It is historical I guess I mean by 1916 the USA is a juggernaut waiting to happen. If I want to really wipe out the US I might play as Britain and regain the 'colonies' as my primary goal right from the start.
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I got the Western coast of America when I played Japan. How? I sphered Mexico, mobilized, sent every single soldier I had to Mexico, and set up a blockade. Then I declared war and almost lost because the USA mobilized a crap ton of troops.
 
I could do it now but I only have 9 years left. I have all of Alaska as a state. I have Columbia and Mexico sphered and allies. My infamy is like 22 though so I can't get at the US and I doubt I have enough time for it to tick down for a DoW. Maybe I can catch the US in a great war, but great war's have devestated this world. There have been 5! The USA is closing on us for #1 power status though, I only have a 400 point lead. It's setting for an epic HOI showdown. Although both Germany and AH are strong so Germany is primed well for WW2 as well.
 
War Emblem said:
I could do it now but I only have 9 years left. I have all of Alaska as a state. I have Columbia and Mexico sphered and allies. My infamy is like 22 though so I can't get at the US and I doubt I have enough time for it to tick down for a DoW. Maybe I can catch the US in a great war, but great war's have devestated this world. There have been 5! The USA is closing on us for #1 power status though, I only have a 400 point lead. It's setting for an epic HOI showdown. Although both Germany and AH are strong so Germany is primed well for WW2 as well.
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FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!


If I were you, I would save the game and then go Total War style and declare the war of the millenia.
 
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Finished with a huge population of 118.01 M recruitables. Ended as I began an absolute monarchy and oddly only passed two reforms the entire game. Biggest factory was glass at 31 in Kyushu. Most productive factory was an electrical gear plant in Tohoku making 3.35K. Our total population was only 17.6% Japanese.

Pop breakdown - Farmers 52.5%, Labourers 24.4%, Soldiers 5.7%, Craftsman 4.9%, Artisans 4.2%, Clergy 3.2%, Aristocrats 3%, Bureaucrats 1%, Clerks 0.5%, Officers 0.3%
Ideology - Conservative 24%, Liberal 23%, Socialist 20%, Fascist 11%, Reactionary 10%, Communist 4%, Anachro-Iiberal 4%
 
War Emblem said:
Finished with a huge population of 118.01 M recruitables. Ended as I began an absolute monarchy and oddly only passed two reforms the entire game. Biggest factory was glass at 31 in Kyushu. Most productive factory was an electrical gear plant in Tohoku making 3.35K. Our total population was only 17.6% Japanese.

Pop breakdown - Farmers 52.5%, Labourers 24.4%, Soldiers 5.7%, Craftsman 4.9%, Artisans 4.2%, Clergy 3.2%, Aristocrats 3%, Bureaucrats 1%, Clerks 0.5%, Officers 0.3%
Ideology - Conservative 24%, Liberal 23%, Socialist 20%, Fascist 11%, Reactionary 10%, Communist 4%, Anachro-Iiberal 4%
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Not too bad. You have a massive percentage of soldiers, did you use a NF?
 
Nope, just had lots of POPs from Chinese provinces and since I basically couldn't do anything to make them into a state everyone was either a soldier or a farmer I would imagine. I had a lot of excess soldier pops too I had 397 brigades and my max was up over 600. I imported the game to HOI3 but it doesn't give any carrier techs since there is no way to research them in Vic2 so I am not sure I am going to continue it on. We have a starting IC of 205 though which is pretty nice.
 
I've read about taking provinces from china during the war to annex korea pre-westernization. I managed to do that easily enough, but then several years later, China declared war on me and with all the regions there were WAY too many troops for me to handle. How do yall deal with this? Is there some way to prevent the war declaration?
 
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I've read about taking provinces from china during the war to annex korea pre-westernization. I managed to do that easily enough, but then several years later, China declared war on me and with all the regions there were WAY too many troops for me to handle. How do yall deal with this? Is there some way to prevent the war declaration?
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Yes, westernize.

That is the only solution, unless you have a strong civilized on your side.
 
Having a really good playthrough right now where I started out by taking Korea and Formosa (since its an island). Got lucky and got no infamy for the cb against Korea so I also nabbed Dai Nam and the region of china that connects with it right before I westernized! Beelined military tech and dug in in Dai Nam and with the bonuses from tech I managed to eliminate enough big Chinese armies to end their attempt to retake their province after the truce expired. I'm thinking the best strat assuming you don't get lucky with infamy hits like I did is take Korea and then when infamy drops low enough grab Dai Nam since they give you the most pops/infamy. You do end up with a bunch of crises from the rebel movements though.
 
My military/economic targets as Japan are Korea (coal and iron), Brunei (eventually oil and sulfur), Taiwan (sea control and tea), Abu Dhabi (eventually oil) and China. If I think I can swing it, I take Borneo and maybe Celebes in one or two wars with the Netherlands (oil, dyes, more sulfur). Most of my economic power is driven by goods from my spherelings (South America and Asia), African colonies and manpower from the 4 Chinese states I own. All of the Chinese warlord states like Yunnan and Guangxi are allied with me, and for a lot of the game I've been allied with Britain, France and Russia. Colonized the middle third of Africa for rubber and rare woods...

The best moment came when I took a Boxer Rebellion event, grew it into an Acquire State wargoal on CHina and then... Guangxi dropped the alliance and DoWed me. All my allies deserted me (but Guangxi only had Mongolia). And Guangxi troops started moving up the east coast in stacks of 250+. Fortunately due to the Heavenly Kingdom they could only get at me along a narrow coastal strip. My superior weapons and massed artillery crushed them and my seapower let me invade Hainan. Ten years after they begged for peace I had my alliances back (eventually Guangxi too) and finished 3rd - 20 points behind France.

If you take the early Meiji Restoration (and I always do) then keep your army up and prepare for the massive nation-wide revolts that will follow. It really hurts to be fully committed to an overseas war and have the homeland go up in red-and-black flags.
 
So I started playing HOD 3.03 as Japan and wanted to follow the main strategy of taking out Korea and getting a foothold in China. Unfortunately, it seems that Korea always starts aligned with China and sphered by the US. Japan is also sphered by the US so I wasn't able to do anything about Korea until at least GP status. I took the early Meiji restoration but wound up with a massive (pretty much every Japanese province) reactionary revolt while in the process of taking Brunei. The revolt was successful and set me back. I wound up taking Brunei & Siam before westernizing, and thru a series of wars, took out Johore, one of Burma's states (opium!), the southern two states of Dai Nam, Spanish Micronesia, southern Borneo from the Dutch (part of a Great War), the French Indian Ocean territories (another GW) and colonized much of the Pacific island chains and Djibuti (last remaining part of Africa). However, I didn't get any Chinese territory until the (first) Boxer Rebellion. My infamy was always borderline high, and twice I went over and beat back the Brits (the first time) and the combined French, Austrian, Italian, and Ottoman armies the second time.

It is now 1910, and I am fighting the Chinese in the second Boxer Rebellion, about to take my third state from them (after lowering infamy by releasing both Borneo & Brunei as dominions), and am justifying a sphere war against Colombia (so I can build the Panama Canal). if I do both, I will go over my infamy limit again (unless I continue the Chinese war long enough to drain off the extra .02 monthly infamy). Korea is still aligned with China and still in the US sphere. I am currently #5 (behind Germany, France, UK, & USA) and have the largest military (even at peace). I am currently allied with Germany & the Empire of Mexico as well as my dominions and some minor Asian states (including Guangxi) and have sphered Yemen, Oman, Abu Dhabi, and both states in present-day Pakistan (as well as Mexico). Hawaii is independent (working hard on sphering them). I'm also working on sphering the (independent) Philippines. I am a real threat to take India from the UK (which is why they've been so quick to offer peace every time I've fought them...because I have sieged much of their Indian possessions). My industrialization has lagged (5th). Kanto & Kansai are heavily industrialized, but most of my other states have been slower to do so. I am currently building tanks & airplanes (but none have actually been built yet).

I would like to know what everyone's thoughts are on the following:

1. Is building the Panama Canal worth it if I want global projection for my dreadnoughts?
2. Djibuti is currently surrounded by the UK to the south (Eritrea), the Dutch to the north (Egypt), and Ethiopia to the west (Dutch sphere). Netherlands is #7 or 8 on GP scale, but aligned with the French & Russians. Should I expand my bridgehead there?
3. France has most of central Africa, much of it surrounded by Germany to the north and UK to the south. Do I want any of it?
4. Oranje & Transvaal are independent and I'm trying to sphere them. UK still owns South Africa proper. Do I want any of that?
5. Should I just stick to taking China out? They are secondary and I think one of my wars took them out of being almost GP. Keep kicking ass there?
6. India. Go for it and the British provinces on the Malaysian peninsula (Singapore, etc)?
7. Java. Take it from the Dutch?

Any ideas would be helpful.

I probably will start again as Japan and try to do things differently (like start beating down China as soon as my westernization is complete). I would like to take Korea, but if they are sphered by the US and allied with China for the duration in 3.03, I'm not sure when I should actually consider it.
 
Yeah, if you want korea you have to immediately go after it right at the start of the game or itll get sphered by the U.S. The Chinese aren't as much of a problem when they're allied to the person you're attacking since they can't use their substates' troops in that case. Usually what happens is I split the initial troops into two stacks of 9 brigades and conquer korea and then park them in mountain and hills province in north korea. If you got a decent general China should just keep suiciding armies into the mountains and you have the other stack as back up if they manage to put together a threatening stack. Also by the time you enforce your conquest on Korea you'll have imported weapons and you can make a decent army out from the Korean pops you just conquered. Then you just get enough warscore from battles to peace out or take taiwan if you got lucky and didn't take much of an infamy hit from justifying korea.
 
General Antares said:
Yeah, if you want korea you have to immediately go after it right at the start of the game or itll get sphered by the U.S. The Chinese aren't as much of a problem when they're allied to the person you're attacking since they can't use their substates' troops in that case. Usually what happens is I split the initial troops into two stacks of 9 brigades and conquer korea and then park them in mountain and hills province in north korea. If you got a decent general China should just keep suiciding armies into the mountains and you have the other stack as back up if they manage to put together a threatening stack. Also by the time you enforce your conquest on Korea you'll have imported weapons and you can make a decent army out from the Korean pops you just conquered. Then you just get enough warscore from battles to peace out or take taiwan if you got lucky and didn't take much of an infamy hit from justifying korea.
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The problem is that at startup, Korea seems to always be sphered by the US.
 
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